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[HighGround]

So I just read the patch notes for the upcoming Aug15 patch and I'm like, really??? I just bought 4 new legs for my 2 Shadowcats so that I could get the movement buffs and now those movement buffs are going to be removed? To make matters worse, I SOLD the leg pieces that didn't have buffs. So on Aug15 I have to possibly rebuy the set legs if I want the set buffs. Really? Do all Shadowcat owners get a CBill injection to cover the cost of our now useless mismatched omnipod legs? Will there be a free trade-in with this patch? or are we supposed to eat the CBill losses?

[Bombast]

That's the price of business when you play an online multiplayer game with continuing balance fixing/changing. Sorry.

Edited by Bombast, 12 August 2017 - 12:12 PM.

[Jay Leon Hart]

This is why you never chase quirks. Or sell OmniPods, for that matter.

Sucks, but it's happened before where one pair of legs was "the best" and people got irate when they were nerfed.

[FupDup]

Shadow Cats were much too stronk for this game.

[Andi Nagasia]

well they did say that all Clan Wave 2-3 OmniMechs were getting a Quirk Pass,
it was talked about here on the Forums when they said it last month,
and even Confirmed on Twitter a 5 days ago,

Twitter said:

Chris Lowrey‏ @Chris_C_Lowrey
Replying to @Chris_C_Lowrey @TrueBandito

Tweaks to Omnipod quirks + adding set of 8 bonus' for Wave 2+3 Mechs that did not have them previously.

its also been known that Quirks like those were going away,
as no other OmniMech has them, they were (Legacy Quirks)

Edited by Andi Nagasia, 12 August 2017 - 12:20 PM.

[Antares102]

OP please explain to me why you cannot wait till the release date and THEN buy the mechs you are interested in.
Sometimes it seems we have epole who buy whatever PGI throws at them the day they annouce only activating exactly the brain sell to complete the transaction.

Sorry not pity from my side for you. It was your choice not to wait.

Edited by Antares102, 13 August 2017 - 02:20 AM.

[Tordin]

All new and old players need to understand that with games like MWO, always beware of continious changes to things, never grow attached to quirks, never buy mechs because of them, rather the hardpoints or nostalgia also never chase the quirks like they are eternal chocolate cookies! They are decieving... Quirks arent rules, but guidelines.

Edited by Tordin, 12 August 2017 - 12:36 PM.

[Baba_Yaga]

Welcome to PGI, Home of tne bait and switch!

[Angel of Annihilation]

Antares102, on 12 August 2017 - 12:19 PM, said:

OP please explain to me why you cannot wait till the release date and THEN buy the mechs you are interested in.
Sometimes it seems we have epole who buy whatever PGI throws at them the day they annouce only activating exactly the brain sell to complete the transaction.

Sorry not pity from my side for you. It was your chosie not to wait.

Why can't PGI not nerf things, especially Clan related things, each and every patch? Those legs quirks have been out there for a while and not once, anywhere has it been brought up that they made the Shadow Cat overpowered so why the hell does PGI have to mess with them at all?

Seriously this is what eveyone should be saying, not telling the OP he is in the wrong for buying a piece of equipment that gave some benefit to his mechs.

[Y E O N N E]

Viktor Drake, on 12 August 2017 - 01:32 PM, said:

Why can't PGI not nerf things, especially Clan related things, each and every patch?

Because PGI has no concept of "confounding variables".

[Paigan]

HighGround, on 12 August 2017 - 12:10 PM, said:

So I just read the patch notes for the upcoming Aug15 patch and I'm like, really??? I just bought 4 new legs for my 2 Shadowcats so that I could get the movement buffs and now those movement buffs are going to be removed? To make matters worse, I SOLD the leg pieces that didn't have buffs. So on Aug15 I have to possibly rebuy the set legs if I want the set buffs. Really? Do all Shadowcat owners get a CBill injection to cover the cost of our now useless mismatched omnipod legs? Will there be a free trade-in with this patch? or are we supposed to eat the CBill losses?

That's the thing with politics:
Everyone knows stuff has to be adjusted, improved, fixed, but no matter what you touch, there will always be some people people screaming "NO, not THAT! That hurts my interest."
If everyone acts like that - and worse: if the decision making people shy away from fixes because of such short sighted screams - nothing ever gets improved.

Try to see the bigger picture, not just your personal corner.
If the game as a whole gets better, you will profit from it in the end, too.

Try to be mature.
I've had stuff that I use nerfed several times. C-ERLLs not too long ago, for example.
I don't run around whining, I see the bigger picture. If it helps improving the game, then so be it and I'll adjust.
I still live and I still have more CBs that I know what to spend them on.

So yeah, swallow the loss of some near-insignificant CBs and be happy that they work to improve the game.

Edited by Paigan, 12 August 2017 - 01:53 PM.

[Mystere]

Bombast, on 12 August 2017 - 12:11 PM, said:

That's the price of business when you play an online multiplayer game with continuing balance fixing/changing a clueless developer. Sorry.

It could be reasonably argued that none of this angst would happen if PGI got things right the first time, or second, or third, or ... hopefully you get the picture.

Viktor Drake, on 12 August 2017 - 01:32 PM, said:

Why can't PGI not nerf things, especially Clan related things, each and every patch? Those legs quirks have been out there for a while and not once, anywhere has it been brought up that they made the Shadow Cat overpowered so why the hell does PGI have to mess with them at all?

Seriously this is what eveyone should be saying, not telling the OP he is in the wrong for buying a piece of equipment that gave some benefit to his mechs.

Amen!

Paigan, on 12 August 2017 - 01:49 PM, said:

That's the thing with politics:
Everyone knows stuff has to be adjusted, improved, fixed, but no matter what you touch, there will always be some people people screaming "NO, not THAT! That hurts my interest."
If everyone acts like that - and worse: if the decision making people shy away from fixes because of such short sighted screams - nothing ever gets improved.

Try to see the bigger picture, not just your personal corner.
If the game as a whole gets better, you will profit from it in the end, too.

Try to be mature.
I've had stuff that I use nerfed several times. C-ERLLs not too long ago, for example.
I don't run around whining, I see the bigger picture. If it helps improving the game, then so be it and I'll adjust.
I still live and I still have more CBs that I know what to spend them on.

So yeah, swallow the loss of some near-insignificant CBs and be happy that they work to improve the game.

Go read my first sentence above.

Edited by Mystere, 12 August 2017 - 02:16 PM.

[Bombast]

Mystere, on 12 August 2017 - 02:12 PM, said:

It could be reasonably argued that none of this angst would happen if PGI got things right the first time, or second, or third, or ...

One can argue that PGI 'corrects' more often than other multiplayer focused games, but perpetual balance changes in and of themselves aren't surprising. Overwatch, EVE Online, DOTA clones, every 'WoW-Type' MMO, WoT/WS, Warthunder... everything is subject to nerfing/buffing.

Edited by Bombast, 12 August 2017 - 02:16 PM.

[Mystere]

Bombast, on 12 August 2017 - 02:16 PM, said:

One can argue that PGI 'corrects' more often than other multiplayer focused games, but perpetual balance changes in and of themselves aren't surprising. Overwatch, EVE Online, DOTA clones, every 'WoW-Type' MMO, WoT/WS, Warthunder... everything is subject to nerfing/buffing.

It could also be reasonably argued that these so-called "perpetual balance changes" are just excuses for someone not having the necessary forethought.

Edited by Mystere, 12 August 2017 - 02:24 PM.

[Calcite]

so bombast ... wants the. game to change

[Bombast]

Dave warrior2, on 12 August 2017 - 02:34 PM, said:

so bombast ... wants the. game to change

Honestly, I'm personally indifferent. I accepted a long time ago that this game, good or bad, is not going to cater to me. I'm just playing to goof around in-between other games.

I may remark on changes I agree or disagree with, or changes I think would be good for the game, or current problems I see, but I don't expect PGI to do anything on my account, and I no longer take that personally. It just is what it is.

Mystere, on 12 August 2017 - 02:20 PM, said:

It could also be reasonably argued that these so-called "perpetual balance changes" are just excuses for someone not having the necessary forethought.

I guess my point was that the fact PGI changes and re-balances things isn't a valid complaint. Whether those particular changes are good or bad is.

[Calcite]

let it go bombast ... soon in the future mwo will be mwo2

[Mystere]

Dave warrior2, on 12 August 2017 - 02:52 PM, said:

let it go bombast ... soon in the future mwo will be mwo2

What makes you confident such a game will exist anytime soon?

[Bombast]

Dave warrior2, on 12 August 2017 - 02:52 PM, said:

let it go bombast ... soon in the future mwo will be mwo2

Let go of what?

[JC Daxion]

Viktor Drake, on 12 August 2017 - 01:32 PM, said:

Why can't PGI not nerf things, especially Clan related things, each and every patch? Those legs quirks have been out there for a while and not once, anywhere has it been brought up that they made the Shadow Cat overpowered so why the hell does PGI have to mess with them at all?

How many years did they go with out nerfing anything? I recall one of the talks they were saying some things hadn't had a change in almost 2 years clan side. They got a new balance guy, They made major changes to the move/heat, they added new tech.. they are obviously going to be making balance changes.. IS/CLan is certainly closer than it has been in the past.

I don't know what the grand plan is.. But changes/nerfs are going to happen.. They happen in every single online game I've ever played.

Did those 1 set of legs need a nerf? Was it the only set of legs people are using? I have zero clue how they are going to play with new changes, nor have i even played my clans since new tech.

I do know i have swapped omni pods in the past for quirks, that got changes, then noticed at some point the quirks were no longer there or different.. Those little mechs the omni's are so cheap it only takes a couple of matches to earn um anyway.

My only Q is why did the OP sell them if he only had one set?

Mystere, on 12 August 2017 - 02:14 PM, said:

It could be reasonably argued that none of this angst would happen if PGI got things right the first time, or second, or third, or ... hopefully you get the picture.

You might have a point if they have never added anything in 5 years.. But seeing they add new mechs every month, Nerfs/buffs are going to happen..

Even games that don't add new things get changes years down the road, and tons of patches. This is not a PGI only thing




And Shadow cats also got buffs too. some quirks moves as well..

Shadow Cat


For the most part the Shadow Cat is performing on target, but there are a handful of Quirks that we wished to clean up to provide the chassis with more consistency and better give and take depending on OmniPod selection


• Mobility Quirks have been removed from SHC-Prime, SHC-P, and SHC-B Leg OmniPods

• SHC-P Right Torso Run Rate Quirk has been removed, but has been replaced with a +5 Structure Bonus Quirk.

• SHC-B Right Torso Turn Rate Quirk has been increased to 10% (from 5%).

• SHC-A Left Torso Yaw Speed Quirk has been removed, but the existing Turn Rate Quirk has been increased to 10% (from 2.5%). The SHC-A LT OmniPod has also received 10% Accel/Decel Quirks.

• SHC-A Right Torso Missile Cooldown Quirk has been shifted to its Set of 8 Quirks

• A number of existing Set of 8 Quirks for the SHC-Prime, SHC-A, and SHC-B have been increase.

My guess is they are doing the new 8 pod quirks, which means they want people to use all the variants, and not just pick the couple with speed quirks on legs. As a Far greater IS player, i can understand that. I really want variants to have a reason to use, and not just pick the one that is best. OMNI mechs are even harder to balance as you can pick the best of everything and mix and match. Probably why CLans are so much harder to balance in the first place. But as i said before, the engine decync, was probably the best balance change they made in a long time. MY hopes is it will lead to much greater balance in the future

Chris said, they don't want to change much right now as the new tech is so new, that people have barely have played with it enough to even get decent data.. I haven't even touched my clan mechs.. IS side, i have maybe played 1/3 of my mechs.. They need to give folks time with the new tech. They are updating quirks with the hero patch, and i get that.. Perhaps as they update other mechs with new tech, those will get tweaked as well



The funny part is, I swear the mechs i play more often then not, are always ones that get buffed.. But then again, i typically get mechs later/down the road. Even the packs i've bought like wave III, or Resiantce II, were out for a few years before i got them. When the mech size thing hit, 90% of the mechs i played got smaller, or stayed the same, only a couple actually increased in size. EXE was one of them, my favorite clan assault BTW, but i still do better in that one than i do in most of my clan mechs. (I own almost every OMNI clan mech at this point) Missing mist lynx, ice ferret and Huntsma

Buffs/Nerfs have never really been part of my fun factor in any game. They happen. I don't always agree with them by any stretch, but my hopes is there is a greater picture and i have to think the devs want the game to be more balanced, Not less like many folks seem to think

Edited by JC Daxion, 12 August 2017 - 03:43 PM.