48 replies to this topic

[JC Daxion]

Soo what does it need?


I say, a bit of structure, a bit of move, and a bit of JJ.... Lets see how a all move/deg buffed mech works.

[yuujiroassistant]

The victor is already back to life, it is an excellent assault brawler and can singlehandedly outduel any mech shy of the annihalator.

Unfortunately, poptarting was universally killed, preventing the other victor variants from becoming useful again. At this point, they will either need an exception to the ghost heat rule or new hardpoints altogether.

Edited by SUCTION, 12 August 2017 - 11:39 PM.

[Kiiyor]

I'm actually seeing quite a few as brawlers.

I used to see them and wring my hands together while cackling malevolently, but now i'm finding they're much tougher and nastier than I remember, especially in the hands of a pilot that knows how to use their mobility.

Having said that, a little crit resistance would go a long way (something I think should be better represented in the skill tree).

[Khobai]

almost all the older mechs need hardpoint updates

victors are still stuck with only 6-7 mixed hardpoints, and usually cant use all of them because you often dont want to mix all three weapon types.

victors could use at least one more energy/ballistic hardpoint across the board

VTR-9B = +1 Energy in Left Arm
VTR-9K = +1 Ballistic in Right Arm
VTR-9S = +1 Energy in Left Arm
VTR-DS = +1 Energy in Left Arm

Edited by Khobai, 12 August 2017 - 11:50 PM.

[dimachaerus]

Feel pretty happy with mine finally. Though more Jet strength would never go amiss. Just think of it as a super armored Centurion that got fed a lot of HGH when it was a babby mech.

[xe N on]

Dragon Slayer is still bad. Unfortunately. It would already help alot if they move the left arm energy hard point into the right torso.

Than, at least, something like UAC10 + 3 LL would be reasonable.

Edited by xe N on, 12 August 2017 - 11:49 PM.

[El Bandito]

SUCTION, on 12 August 2017 - 11:30 PM, said:

The victor is already back to life, it is an excellent assault brawler and can singlehandedly outduel any mech shy of the annihalator.

Nah, Orion-IIC-A/C still eats Victors-9S for breakfast. Victor is much better than before, but still is one of the worst Assault chassis. Zeus and Awesome are even worse, though.

Edited by El Bandito, 13 August 2017 - 12:08 AM.

[yuujiroassistant]

El Bandito, on 12 August 2017 - 11:57 PM, said:

Nah, Orion-IIC-A/C still eats Victors-9S for breakfast.

If it is carrying flamers, yes. Otherwise, the victor has more armour, higher manouverability, nearly equivilent speed, lower weapon spread, and better twist hitboxes. And it can leg tank. As an ON1-IIC-A pilot myself, fighting a competent victor pilot is an absolute nightmare. Also most carry 2x flamers, which can lock down the ultra ON1-IIC-A build.

Edited by SUCTION, 13 August 2017 - 12:12 AM.

[El Bandito]

SUCTION, on 13 August 2017 - 12:10 AM, said:

If it is carrying flamers, yes. Otherwise, the victor has more armour, higher manouverability, nearly equivilent speed, lower weapon spread, and better twist hitboxes. And it can leg tank. As an ON1-IIC-A pilot myself, fighting a competent victor pilot is an absolute nightmare.

Victor moves much slower than Orion-IIC. You can do full brawl build on Orion-IIC-A with 350XL, which equates to 75.6 kph. Victor-(S usually carries 325 LFE in comparison, which means only 65.8 kph. That's 10 kph difference.

[yuujiroassistant]

People put lfe in the victor? Oh dear... it needs all the speed it can get.
＿＿＿
I can see where you are coming from though, and i think the balance in that duel will mostly come down to whether the Orion pilot can land full alphas to the same ST

Edited by SUCTION, 13 August 2017 - 12:25 AM.

[Khobai]

Quote

Victor moves much slower than Orion-IIC. You can do full brawl build on Orion-IIC-A with 350XL, which equates to 75.6 kph. Victor-(S usually carries 325 LFE in comparison, which means only 65.8 kph. That's 10 kph difference.

you really need an XL in a Victor.

if youre gonna use an LFE you might as well just play a heavier assault like an Atlas. Because if youre gonna go slow anyway, you might as well have more armor and weapons to show for it.

And we already know Clan vs IS balance sucks in this game... A Victor with a loadout like UAC20 and MRM50 can put out a pretty sick amount of damage (90 damage alpha). the problem is it has to use an ISXL, and thats where the major imbalance still lies.

ISXL needs to be changed to survive side torso destruction. Its the only proper way to balance Clan vs IS tech bases.

Edited by Khobai, 13 August 2017 - 12:38 AM.

[xe N on]

Khobai, on 13 August 2017 - 12:24 AM, said:

you really need an XL in a Victor.

if youre gonna use an LFE you might as well just play a heavier assault like an Atlas. Because if youre gonna go slow anyway, you might as well have more armor and weapons to show for it.

And we already know Clan vs IS balance sucks in this game... A Victor with a loadout like UAC20 and MRM50 can put out a pretty sick amount of damage (90 damage alpha). the problem is it has to use an ISXL, and thats where the major imbalance still lies.

LFE325: 65.8 kph
XL350: 70.9 kph

I take side torso loss over 5 kph more speed.

[Khobai]

Quote

I take side torso loss over 5 kph more speed.

well even if you take an XL325 instead of an LFE325, its a considerable amount more firepower

a victor with an XL325 that has a UAC20 and MRM50 can be pretty damn scary

but the ISXL is still a problem, it needs to be able to survive a side torso blowout like CXL, its the only way to truly balance things. the Victor will always be a glass cannon until thats fixed.

Edited by Khobai, 13 August 2017 - 12:54 AM.

[xe N on]

Khobai, on 13 August 2017 - 12:46 AM, said:

well even if you take an XL325 instead of an LFE325, its a considerable amount more firepower

a victor with an XL325 that has a UAC20 and MRM50 can be pretty damn scary

but the ISXL is still a problem, it needs to be able to survive a side torso blowout like CXL, its the only way to truly balance things. the Victor will always be a glass cannon until thats fixed.

No. Because IS equipment take a lot of space as do XL-engines.

Edited by xe N on, 13 August 2017 - 01:07 AM.

[Khobai]

Quote

No. Because IS equipment take a lot of space as do XL-engines.

which is all the more reason ISXL should survive side torso destruction

[El Bandito]

SUCTION, on 13 August 2017 - 12:18 AM, said:

People put lfe in the victor? Oh dear... it needs all the speed it can get.
＿＿＿
I can see where you are coming from though, and i think the balance in that duel will mostly come down to whether the Orion pilot can land full alphas to the same ST

With its barn door profile, XL Victor is not much of challenge at all. And that's not even considering the fact that multiple enemies will face you in a match.

Edited by El Bandito, 13 August 2017 - 01:22 AM.

[xe N on]

Khobai, on 13 August 2017 - 01:11 AM, said:

which is all the more reason ISXL should survive side torso destruction

I'm with you, but i doubt that will ever come true.

[Khobai]

Quote

With its barn door profile, XL Victor is not much of challenge at all. And that's not even considering the fact that multiple enemies will face you in a match.

yes because ISXL is bad.

the only way to fix the victor is to fix ISXL. already said that.

[Ignatius Audene]

I played tze Victor with xl350 uac20 and 3srm6a. Changed to lfe 325 same loadout. Less Armor in Left Arm and less ammo.
76 with xl vs 70.1 is a bigger Deal then i believed(Speed Tweak is needed).

Noticed i am dying ct most Time. Prob switch back to xl.

[Chados]

I haven't trotted out my Victors since Skill Tree. I suspect that they ought to see their ST nodes in the JJ and mobility trees above all, tho. One wonders whether the old school poptarting Victor might be back with an LFE 325, max jet tree, and speed tweak