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[Admiral-Dan]

tker 669, on 23 August 2017 - 07:33 AM, said:

Mist lynx and arctic cheetahs are not in any way supposed to be the scariest mechs on the field. This is just getting stupid with people running up and instantly removing all of your weapons.

So your Mech was stripped of his armor and THEN a nasty Light removed your weapons. Did you thought, your Mech was brand new and armor has no purpose? Or, are you one of these guys who armor down their Mechs to fit more equipment because they think armor has just cosmetic reasons?

[SmoothCriminal]

I do have some sympathy with this - as just a glance from a few LMGs seems to crit and destroy every piece of equipment in an exposed component. Perhaps this should/could be dialled back slightly?

[Andi Nagasia]

so a weapon when boated is stronger then intended? who knew,

but that aside, if you nerf MG to balance mechs that boat 6-8 of them,
what happens to mechs with only 2-4 Ballistic hard points? them will suffer,
another solution has to be found that doesnt hurt 2-4 MG mechs,

[Smites]

Andi Nagasia, on 23 August 2017 - 09:29 AM, said:

so a weapon when boated is stronger then intended? who knew,

but that aside, if you nerf MG to balance mechs that boat 6-8 of them,
what happens to mechs with only 2-4 Ballistic hard points? them will suffer,
another solution has to be found that doesnt hurt 2-4 MG mechs,

Ghost Heat for MGs?

*NO. CHRIS!

[Metus regem]

[Mcgral18]

Lel


No

[ANOM O MECH]

Bush Hopper, on 23 August 2017 - 08:12 AM, said:

I don't get the MG fuss. For heavy MGs you need to literally facehug the target which is risky (so why no good reward for it?) and light MGs aren't too damaging

Last but not least...you need facetime on a damaged section. I mean, so many restrictions and some people still cry.



Let me guess, you are the typical tunnel-visioning laser-alpha boat driver who...
1. cannot keep its lasers on target
2. doesn't aim for the legs.
3. doesn't twist
4. doesn't waddle backwards and/or turns counter clockwise to get the light out of his back


Yeah, I see why you want to nerf it.


If 2 lights are killing you, relax. Imagine how fast 2 heavies or assaults would have blown you up

Keep guessing. Uneducated and mindless guessing usually lead to excellent discussions....

AphexTwin11, on 23 August 2017 - 08:17 AM, said:

The problem with silly posts like this, is that some people read it and accept it as fact, and then QQ calls for nerfs begin to pervade the forums for mechs that do not necessarily deserve them.

If you think Myst Lynx OP, you need to: have some self awareness, practice more, or uninstall the game.

I will try to make this simple so that you can follow.

Issue isn't the huge damage...it is the auto critting. Crits are waaay too high currently. Seeing people running in and facehugging because they know in seconds the opponent will have no more weapons.

It is ridiculous. Crits need to be lowered.

[stealthraccoon]

Show me on the doll where the Arctic Cheetah touched you.

[ANOM O MECH]

Rovertoo, on 23 August 2017 - 08:34 AM, said:

This right here. Ideally a 20 ton mech is just as valuable as a 100 ton mech, when played right. Such was one of the major design philosophies for the game when it first started. That said if machine guns are a bit too crazy just lower their damage against internals or crit chance by .1 or .2 and call it good.

While also buffing lights (and mediums too) in general just a tad because they are still pretty underused.

It is the crit chance that is the problem. Betting despite all the people pulling to old get gud card, PGI is going to have to tone it down when they see how these chasis are 'over performing'.

[Metus regem]

stealthraccoon, on 23 August 2017 - 10:08 AM, said:

Show me on the doll where the Arctic Cheetah touched you.

He can't it would be a TOS violation...

[hardcase]

The real issue right now is the insane arty and airstrike spam. LMG Lights wouldn't be as much of an issue if they weren't handed two 'remove all armor from those guys' buttons each match.

[AphexTwin11]

tker 669, on 23 August 2017 - 10:07 AM, said:

Keep guessing. Uneducated and mindless guessing usually lead to excellent discussions....



I will try to make this simple so that you can follow.

Issue isn't the huge damage...it is the auto critting. Crits are waaay too high currently. Seeing people running in and facehugging because they know in seconds the opponent will have no more weapons.

It is ridiculous. Crits need to be lowered.

Mcgral18, on 23 August 2017 - 09:37 AM, said:

Lel


No

[Leggin Ho]

Andi Nagasia, on 23 August 2017 - 09:29 AM, said:

so a weapon when boated is stronger then intended? who knew,

but that aside, if you nerf MG to balance mechs that boat 6-8 of them,
what happens to mechs with only 2-4 Ballistic hard points? them will suffer,
another solution has to be found that doesnt hurt 2-4 MG mechs,

Come on now it's not like we have not had MG boats in the game for along while now (Arrow, Firestarter, Spider, Huggin, Cicada, Bushwacker, even the Roughneck), the OP's issue is that now the Clans actually have some so of course it's OP all the sudden. Heck at least they waited until they IS had streaks to deal with them too, see the glass really is half full.

[Jay Leon Hart]

tker 669, on 23 August 2017 - 10:12 AM, said:

It is the crit chance that is the problem. Betting despite all the people pulling to old get gud card, PGI is going to have to tone it down when they see how these chasis are 'over performing'.

So what, increase their damage to compensate?

We already have people saying "MG DPS OP!!!" and that would make it worse.

Surely you don't want a blanket nerf to one of the least used weapons in game?

[Y E O N N E]

Leggin Ho, on 23 August 2017 - 10:59 AM, said:

Come on now it's not like we have not had MG boats in the game for along while now (Arrow, Firestarter, Spider, Huggin, Cicada, Bushwacker, even the Roughneck), the OP's issue is that now the Clans actually have some so of course it's OP all the sudden. Heck at least they waited until they IS had streaks to deal with them too, see the glass really is half full.

I don't really think this is a Clans vs. IS thing. I mean, there are no fast IS 'Mechs that can boat 6-8x, but they'd be about the same if there were. Slight advantage to the Clan build for half weight MGs.

The really scary MG boat is yet to come (Piranha). No IS Light could ever replicate that.

[KursedVixen]

AP guass rifles come in:

Innersphere: OP REMOVE DAMAGE!!


seriously learn to hit lights like me, instead of saying their Op just because you can't hit them.


If your complaint is valid then my complaint that IS is superiorly op means ALL IS should get a major nerf.

Edited by KursedVixen, 23 August 2017 - 11:11 AM.

[Ruar]

Remove crit bonus, increase total rounds per ton to compensate.

MGs become no-heat weapons with no boost to critical but are more sustainable with more rounds to shoot to deal damage.

The problem isn't so much the high dps as it is the fact they can hit scan your internals mid twist which means there is basically no counter if you've down to internals. Every other weapon you can try to mitigate with twisting, but MGs make it nearly impossible when combined with their ability to pretty much insta pop criticals.

[Admiral-Dan]

tker 669, on 23 August 2017 - 10:07 AM, said:

Issue isn't the huge damage...it is the auto critting. Crits are waaay too high currently. Seeing people running in and facehugging because they know in seconds the opponent will have no more weapons.

Crits can only happen when there is no armor. So your mech was heavily beat up, or had really low armor.

[Jay Leon Hart]

KursedVixen, on 23 August 2017 - 11:09 AM, said:

AP guass rifles come in:

Innersphere: OP REMOVE DAMAGE!!


seriously learn to hit lights like me, instead of saying their Op just because you can't hit them.


If your complaint is valid then my complaint that IS is superiorly op means ALL IS should get a major nerf.

What are you smoking? Can I have some?

[Ruar]

AlphaEtOmega, on 23 August 2017 - 11:26 AM, said:

Crits can only happen when there is no armor. So your mech was heavily beat up, or had really low armor.

And somehow being beat up is supposed to mean "lights should be able to kill you with little no effort"?

I can have an open torso and go up against assault mechs because I know I can use some skill to help mitigate the damage to that area. I see a light with MGs and I know I'm losing that torso and probably about to die.

That just doesn't seem balanced.