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[Jay Leon Hart]

With this thread for IS 'mechs by TheArisen and wanting to push interest in my Clan 60 tonners of choice in this thread by Gas Guzzler, here are the least represented weight brackets for Clan 'mechs, with the same selection of any weight with 2 or less 'mechs and a cut-off for selections of 3067. Also, no LAMS.

(OM) = OmniMech
(BM) = BattleMech

20 tons, 0 'mechs, 4 options
Fire Moth (Dasher) (OM) MASC, all weapon types, ECM Hero
Howler (Baboon) (BM) Energy & missiles
Piranha (BM) Energy & ballistics
Snow Fox (BM) MASC, all weapon types, quad

25 tons, 1 'mech (Mist Lynx), 5 options
Commando IIC (BM) Energy & missiles
Fire Falcon (OM) All weapon types
Icestorm (BM) Energy & missiles
Locust IIC (BM) All weapon types
Solitaire (BM) MASC, energy only

30 tons, 2 'mechs (Arctic Cheetah, Kit Fox), 5 options
Hellion (OM) MASC, JJs, all weapon types
Incubus (Vixen) (BM) All weapon types
Mandrill (OM/BM???) JJs, energy & missiles
Pack Hunter (BM) MASC, ECM, JJs, energy only
Urbanmech IIC (BM) JJs, energy & ballistics

40 tons, 2 'mechs (Arctic Wolf, Viper), 9 options
Battle Cobra (OM) JJs, all weapon types
Clint IIC (BM) ECM, JJs, energy & ballistics
Corvis (BM) JJs, energy & ballistics
Coyotl (OM) JJs, energy & missiles
Griffin IIC (BM) JJs, all weapon types
Lobo (BM?) All weapon types
Mercury II (BM) ECM, JJs, energy only
Phantom (OM?) ECM, energy & missiles
Pouncer (OM) JJs, all weapon types, MASC Hero

45 tons, 2 'mechs (Ice Ferret, Shadow Cat), 6 options
Great Wyrm (BM) All weapon types
Mongrel (Grendel) (OM) JJs, all weapon types
Pinion (BM) JJs, energy only
Shadow Hawk IIC (BM) JJs, all weapon types
Stag (BM) MASC, energy & missiles
Wyvern IIC (BM) JJs, all weapon types

55 tons, 1 'mech (Stormcrow), 4 options
Black Lanner (OM) ECM, MASC, all weapon types
Rabid Coyote (BM) ECM, energy & missiles
Stooping Hawk (OM) JJs, all weapon types
Vapor Eagle (BM) JJs, all weapon types

60 tons, 1 'mech (Mad Dog), 6 options
Glass Spider (Galahad) (BM) Energy & ballistics
Hellfire (BM) MASC, energy & missiles
Lupus (OM) ECM, JJs, all weapon types
Matador (BM) JJs, all weapon types
Predator (BM) Energy & ballistics
Thresher (BM) MASC, JJs, all weapon types

70 tons, 2 'mechs (Nova Cat, Summoner), 3 options
Bowman (BM) Energy & missiles
Grizzly (BM) JJs, all weapon types
Guillotine IIC (BM) JJs, energy & missiles

80 tons, 1 'mech (Gargoyle), 4 options
Canis (BM) JJs, energy & ballistics
Naga (OM) Energy & missiles
Phoenix Hawk IIC (BM) ECM, JJs, all weapon types
Warhammer IIC (BM) ECM, all weapon types

85 tons, 2 'mechs (Marauder IIC, Warhawk), 4 options
Blood Kite (BM) JJs, energy & missiles
Savage Coyote (OM) JJs, all weapon types
Thunder Stallion (BM) ECM, all weapon types, quad
Wakazashi (BM?) JJs, energy & ballistics

95 tons, 1 'mech (Executioner), 1 option
Turkina (OM) ECM, JJs, all weapon types

100 tons, 2 'mechs (Dire Wolf, Kodiak), 4 options
Bane (Kraken) (BM) All weapon types
Scylla (BM) JJs, all weapon types
Stone Rhino (Behemoth) (BM) JJs, all weapon types
Tomahawk (OM) ECM, all weapon types

So, on to my picks...

Piranha
Solitaire
Pack Hunter
Pouncer
Pinion
Vapor Eagle
Hellfire
Guillotine IIC
Canis
Savage Coyote
Turkina
Tomahawk

Now, please go to this poll and re-vote for the;
Glass Spider

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Hellfire

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Predator

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Thank you please!

[Smites]

You forgot Quads - do Clans even have those freaking circus mechs?

[Jay Leon Hart]

Smites, on 25 August 2017 - 02:06 PM, said:

You forgot Quads - do Clans even have those freaking circus mechs?

Jay Leon Hart, on 25 August 2017 - 01:26 PM, said:

Snow Fox (BM) MASC, all weapon types, quad
Thunder Stallion (BM) ECM, all weapon types, quad

No I didn't and yes they do

[Pariah Devalis]

Jay Leon Hart, on 25 August 2017 - 02:08 PM, said:

No I didn't and yes they do

You left out the Stalking Spider. And Fire Scorpion. Granted, the latter is in one of the more populous tonnage points in the Clan array of mechs.

Edited by Pariah Devalis, 25 August 2017 - 04:34 PM.

[The6thMessenger]

URBEEEEEEE!

I really really really want that Urbie IIC. I already have custom variants in mind.

[FLG 01]

Thanks for the list, OP!

Regarding the the 55 ton Mechs, it a choice of philosophies:

Let me say that one of the best, if not the best choice is the Vapor Eagle. Really there is not much debating about it when it comes to 55t Mechs. It is one of the few choices rivalling the Stormcrow, probably surpassing it the way BattleMechs can be build in MWO.

However, I feel a strange affection to the Stooping Hawk. It's not as good as the Vapor Eagle, but I think it is an different addition to the Clan game: a not so fast (but not slow!) Mech, highly survivable, with respectable but not great amount of firepower. If quirked right it could add a different kind of Clan Mech, one that plays more like an IS Mech, i.e. taking a beating and still go on. But then hoping for quirks is always dangerous.

In a way, the Stooping Hawk is an Anti-Black Lanner. I mean the Black Lanner might very well work, but it plays to the known Clan game of superior mobility while retaining survivability thanks to the C-XL. The Black Lanner is a very Clan-like Mech, and if there is someone to see the appeal of a super-fast cavalry-Mech it is me.

So, again, you choose your philosophy:
- Vapor Eagle is the obvious meta-choice; all good, nothing bad, but nothing extraordinary
- Black Lanner is the Clan ideal of fire and maneuver taken to an extreme
- Stooping Hawk is the opposite; a survivable, almost IS-like Mech, but you have to use the STD engine too

I would be happy with all of them, but my money would be spend on the Hawk.

[El Bandito]

Get that Blood Kite in here!

[Battlemaster56]

That's a pretty nice list but I noticed you missed two 95 tonners.

Hellstar(AKA Clan's Awesome)(BM)/All Energy one variant with ECM
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Hellstar

Cygnus(AKA Clan's Annihilator) (BM)/Ballistics and Energy 2 viable variants with current tech
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Cygnus

[Internal Obedience XIII-omega]

Bane, bring on the Dakka'geddon.

[Jay Leon Hart]

Pariah Devalis, on 25 August 2017 - 04:33 PM, said:

You left out the Stalking Spider. And Fire Scorpion. Granted, the latter is in one of the more populous tonnage points in the Clan array of mechs.

Indeed I did! They're in weight brackets with "enough" 'mechs already

Battlemaster56, on 25 August 2017 - 09:04 PM, said:

That's a pretty nice list but I noticed you missed two 95 tonners.

Hellstar(AKA Clan's Awesome)(BM)/All Energy one variant with ECM
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Hellstar

Cygnus(AKA Clan's Annihilator) (BM)/Ballistics and Energy 2 viable variants with current tech
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Cygnus

Not missed, omitted, because they were release after 3067. Production dates of 3079 and 3075, respectively.

Both are 'mechs I prefer over the Turkina, though.

FLG 01, on 25 August 2017 - 07:03 PM, said:

So, again, you choose your philosophy:
- Vapor Eagle is the obvious meta-choice; all good, nothing bad, but nothing extraordinary
- Black Lanner is the Clan ideal of fire and maneuver taken to an extreme
- Stooping Hawk is the opposite; a survivable, almost IS-like Mech, but you have to use the STD engine too

No love for the Rabid Coyote?

[Skipmagnet]

The Solitaire is a lovely little beast with its heavy laser loadout. It's also a Diamond Shark design, so it's an easy pick. Sadly, it lacks variants, so it might get skipped.

The Hellion is a solid omni. 4E 4M on the prime? Yes please. My only complaint is the lack of jump jets until we have the rest of the tech for the Hellion E.

The Goshawk/Vapor Eagle is one of my favorite mechs, hands down. They are killing machines of the highest caliber, and I would be very excited to see what the modelers could do with them.

The Mercury II and Stag are both Not-Named designs, so we're never seeing them. I'm guessing they're included for completeness?

[Jay Leon Hart]

eyeballs, on 25 August 2017 - 11:21 PM, said:

The Mercury II and Stag are both Not-Named designs, so we're never seeing them. I'm guessing they're included for completeness?

Yes, along with a few retired chassis and the quads. Trying to avoid "you missed X" posts as much as I can

[Xetelian]

Voted.

Would love to see the Vapor Eagle and definitely would buy it.

[FLG 01]

Jay Leon Hart, on 25 August 2017 - 11:15 PM, said:

Indeed I did! They're in weight brackets with "enough"
No love for the Rabid Coyote?

That one is interesting too! It's more a meta choice imo, for being a BattleMech (capable of changing the engine) with good hardpoints (especially the -2: 3x missile HP in each ST, plus 2x energy in each arm) and ECM. I also like the looks.
It would be interesting to see how Alex interprets the design:

[Jay Leon Hart]

FLG 01, on 26 August 2017 - 06:15 AM, said:

That one is interesting too! It's more a meta choice imo, for being a BattleMech (capable of changing the engine) with good hardpoints (especially the -2: 3x missile HP in each ST, plus 2x energy in each arm) and ECM. I also like the looks.
It would be interesting to see how Alex interprets the design:

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I do like the look of it, but I agree that the Vapor Eagle is likely the best choice.