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#1 Davegt27

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Posted 27 August 2017 - 03:26 PM

want to here from IS loyalists

as a loyalist what do you think of this sad state of affairs?

as a loyalist could you make some recommendations?

#2 FallingAce

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Posted 27 August 2017 - 05:14 PM

TUKAYYID doesn't count as one of the three.

Clan Win condition
Encircle and conquer any 3 IS Capital Planets*

• Luthien (Kurita)
• Tharkad (Steiner)
• Atreus (Marik)
• Sian (Liao)
• New Avalon (Davion)


* Tukayyid is the newly-assigned Capital for the Free Rasalhague Republic, but due to its position and state within the Inner Sphere is not eligible for counting toward the Clan Victory Condition.
https://mwomercs.com...26-18-jul-2017/

#3 Damnedtroll

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Posted 27 August 2017 - 05:24 PM

Hum, just make Mercenary to be able to take only IS contract ? Sad because i have some clan mech and they pay well...

#4 Davegt27

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Posted 27 August 2017 - 07:53 PM

thanks Falling Ace I had forgotten about the win conditions

I think those conditions are a great idea
but I had thought I had recommended a government in exile planet and this would be a back-up
so the Clans don't dominate and win the conflict to quickly
that idea would have allowed FRR to have a capital planet but instead FRR becomes a non entity
(which is pretty lame)

there seems to be no galactic planning, no what do we do now
and there seems to be no real consequence (no counter offensive event no impact on the players at all)

Edited by Davegt27, 29 August 2017 - 11:46 PM.


#5 Commander A9

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Posted 28 August 2017 - 04:36 AM

But it works both ways.

If the situation were reversed, the IS would only need 1 Clan world, and all Clan capitals are right next to each other.

So once the IS surrounds a Clan capital, just one, it's over. Whereas Clans have to own practically the entire Inner Sphere to win.

Any why the hell does Terra not count as a capital world!?

#6 Alexandra Hekmatyar

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Posted 28 August 2017 - 04:46 AM

Well they didn't take Atreus so I'm happily selling space bacon to both clammers and IS. :P

On a more serious note IS should take less LRM and more AMS, and less cowardice and definitely no whining about map disadvantages or clammers while in a match.

#7 Exilyth

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Posted 28 August 2017 - 08:37 AM

View PostCommander A9, on 28 August 2017 - 04:36 AM, said:

Any why the hell does Terra not count as a capital world!?


Only the ilclan should have the honor of conquering terra. You surely wouldn't want any random freebirth to just walk in and ghostcap the penultimate prize, franeg?

#8 Davegt27

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Posted 28 August 2017 - 08:52 AM

good points A9
there should also be Clan backup planets with close to identical win conditions

Lady I am mostly talking about the frame work for FP
the back bone you need to build on

so a few areas that need focus
galactic: this is big over all war, a players and units need to be able to look at and fit themselves into the big picture

galactic would cover win, loss and tie conditions, boarders, and major fronts
each of these areas need to have weight or value so that it matters if they are lost or changed

quadrants (https://en.wikipedia...lactic_quadrant) or tactical
this would cover star lanes, jump ships, weighted planets
(yes I know we don't have those assets now but with the proper foundation they could be added later)

the capital planets don't matter because
1 they have no value
2 the call to arms and the planet voting system is so screwed up even if you did care you could not do anything anyways

the third area is planetary conflicts
1) when CW first started I was sort of shocked with the amount of battles to take or loose a planet
the more battles on a planet the less value the planet has

2) all planets are identical (what!) good for a start but people will soon get sick of this
we need types of planets and the planets need value (they need to matter)

3) even if a unit cared about a capital planet and they wanted to commit there troops to help they cannot


a few side notes about star lanes, special ops missions
where are the specialized units?
how about Merc specialized 4 man light units that could be sent to gather intel or disrupt supply lines

well no star lanes and no weighted planets where are they going to go

let me ask zeto's mom unit
Steiner would like to hire you for two special ops missions
1) intel into Clan space
2) interdiction mission to disrupt clan supply lines

you think you could reform your unit for this
Steiner will supply the jump ships and 1/2 of the drop ships but you will have to buy the other needed drop ships

hope this makes sense to someone

Edited by Davegt27, 29 August 2017 - 11:49 PM.


#9 Davegt27

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Posted 03 September 2017 - 09:22 AM

ok Terra is in danger

#10 Pilotasso

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Posted 03 September 2017 - 10:50 AM

I have never seen clans plow thru IS this fast before.

#11 TWIAFU

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Posted 03 September 2017 - 11:27 AM

View PostPilotasso, on 03 September 2017 - 10:50 AM, said:

I have never seen clans plow thru IS this fast before.


The end result was known when the event was announced.

#12 A Shoddy Rental Mech

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Posted 03 September 2017 - 12:29 PM

View PostPilotasso, on 03 September 2017 - 10:50 AM, said:

I have never seen clans plow thru IS this fast before.


You must not have been here for the start of Phase 4.1
Even tonnage and all the mercs meant the clans won every phase


Since the start of the "invasion era"
7/19 clans owned 272 planets
8/02 clans owned 236 planets (lost 36 Planets)
9/6 Clan owned 424 planets (gained 188 planets)

The clans are "only" +47 phases in the last 32 days(or about 3 phases every 2 days)

#13 Terrastras Rex

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Posted 03 September 2017 - 12:43 PM

HOW I.S. CAN BEAT CLANS:

- Use your tonnage
- Push together
- Deathball, and focus a target
- Bring SRMs and Medium lasers

Why this works:
- Clans have range and speed advantages in FP, and heat disadvantages
- When you push hard and fast, they have to overheat to counter the push
- You CAN NOT trade shots and win a long-range trade battle with clans. (Except Boreal Defend with Battlemasters)

If you can push hard and fast enough (all together) to damage/destroy all the clans first and second wave mechs, they will only be left with meds/lights. This is when your tonnage advantage comes into play, allowing you to mop em up.

Also:
- Max your available tonnage
- Drop heaviest mechs first (No one wants to wait for your assault mech on wave 4)
- Don't bring LRMs to Faction Play

Source: Am [420], we own 25 planets right now. We surrounded Terra last(?) phase. Teamwork is OP.

#14 Pilotasso

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Posted 03 September 2017 - 12:54 PM

to beat Clans we need more of the good pilots joining premades (not just the usual casuals), but there arent nearly as many as clan ones.

#15 Davegt27

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Posted 03 September 2017 - 03:21 PM

part of the problem I think is people are gaming the system
I took this screen shot early this AM
you would think people would vote for the planet along the front (yellow line) but some obscure planet has 62%

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#16 Carl Vickers

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Posted 03 September 2017 - 03:54 PM

Working as intended, Minimally Viable Voting.

There are no rules anywhere for voting so people can vote as they please.

If this was a real war, do you think leaving those salients to the left of Luthien and to the right of Thakard would be a good idea? No, it would just be places where forces could be cut off from support, surrounded and pounded into scrap.

Im now loyalist and havent even bothered looking at the voting due to Minimally Viable Map, but if it helps some people play the game and feel like they are actually in control of whats going on then more power to them.

#17 Tarogato

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Posted 03 September 2017 - 04:09 PM

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#18 CainenEX

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Posted 03 September 2017 - 04:13 PM

View PostTarogato, on 03 September 2017 - 04:09 PM, said:

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#19 Davegt27

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Posted 03 September 2017 - 04:59 PM

NBT??

I see people are crying (including me) about the Clans
we would say hey look at the map the Clan is OP

then you look a little closer and maybe we don't have the whole story

#20 Jugger Grimrod

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Posted 03 September 2017 - 05:11 PM

The map ceased to matter a long, long time ago. Replace it with a simple Leaderboard. Best 4 Teams of the Cycle gets the goods. The map is lipstick at this point.

And yes... many Units are now active in NBT, with actual logistics, politics and warfare. Faction Play is where we go for fun, but that's about it.

Edited by Jugger Grimrod, 03 September 2017 - 05:16 PM.






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