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[Lukoi Banacek]

Deathlike, on 09 September 2017 - 07:02 PM, said:

The thing is in being "average" in this game is actually holding a 1 K-D and 1 W-L ratio, but that relative to the game is considered "above average" with the broken PSR system.

Ultimately, I'm not bashing anyone for being average, above average or below average (edit: we're all here to play and enjoy a video game, not cure cancer).

But it does speak to credibility when a venting player 1) gets the mech entirely wrong demonstrating they aren't paying attention before they vent 2) doesn't understand how long 15s is in this game and that rolling damage against MG's is something you can and should be doing and 3) lacks the demonstrated performance to show true understanding, but gets indignant anyway when their foibles are pointed out.

Truly learn the game, adapt. That's ultimately what I'm saying. When the nerfs come (and they will) you can move onto the next thing and have a good time still. Hell...I'm a dakka fan, always have been. Dakka (especially for Clans) can never really be meta. Don't see me crying about how my pet weapon system isn't the top dog all of the time.

Edited by Lukoi Banacek, 09 September 2017 - 07:16 PM.

[Asym]

Lukoi Banacek, on 09 September 2017 - 06:55 PM, said:

They are indeed. But still good starting points as indicators. Case in point, as a dedicated support pilot, your average match score should be pretty strong if you know what you're doing. Yours is 170 this month. That's significantly less than the average player right now (low 200's).

It's a strong indicator that maybe you're not as savvy to how the game works as you've purported to be (since you first started posting complaints as a rookie player I might add). How folks interpret statistics is also a funny thing I guess.

Here is an example of an absolutely incredible "support pilot," in this game for reference (he runs LRM Hunchies so often it's frightening):
118 Jman5 12 7 1.71 40 9 4.44 19 434
If Jman brought LRM's to the fight, I know he's going to support the team.

I see your point and appreciate your response ! At least you offered to help a while back.... Thanks.!
Good luck.

[Asym]

Deathlike, on 09 September 2017 - 07:02 PM, said:

I know teh Jarl's leaderboard site is cumulative to the seasons, but his current season (using the MWO leaderboard info) has a decent score, but similar K-D/W-L ratio to the overall stat chart.

The thing is in being "average" in this game is actually holding a 1 K-D and 1 W-L ratio, but that relative to the game is considered "above average" with the broken PSR system.

It's OK.... Statistics are just numbers someone uses to catagorize stuff.... I get his point: shut up unless you are one of "us"... To think, I use to get paid a huge salary to figure "this kinda stuff out?!"

I think it's time just to read forum pieces beacuse it really doesn't matter what anyone says: PGI really, isn't listening....

Again, I surrender. Out.

Edited by Asym, 09 September 2017 - 08:22 PM.

[Scout Derek]

Asym, on 09 September 2017 - 07:31 PM, said:

It's OK.... Statistics are just numbers someone uses to catagorize stuff.... I get his point: shut up unless you are one of "us"... To think, I use to get paid a huge salary to figure "stuff this kinda stuff out?!"

I think it's time just to read forum pieces beacuse it really doesn't matter what anyone says: PGI really, isn't listening....

Again, I surrender. Out.

No. I'm not saying that. I more on was stating that you weren't or haven't understood how to counter it or try to buy time for yourself based on your statistics.

And you should join up with Lukoi. the Smoke Adders is a good place to start and get better at the game. We can help you out with becoming a lot better than the game.

I learned myself from a unit way back, to where I am today. It's never good to be alone in this game. Teachers or mentors are really the best, and will actually expand upon so much further than you would ever believe you could go.

[Lukoi Banacek]

Asym, on 09 September 2017 - 07:31 PM, said:

.... I get his point: shut up unless you are one of "us"...

If you're referring to me here, this is not my point at all. Not in the slightest.

[Mole]

Deathlike, on 09 September 2017 - 04:14 PM, said:

I suggest you take the time and use ONLY MGs in front of an stock Atlas (which probably has unoptimized armor) in the Training Grounds and shoot its front armor (you are not allowed to shoot the back armor).

Have fun waiting for MGs to do anything consequential for a minute plus.

Good job completely missing the point. I wasn't trying to say "MGs are good against armor". You know why? Because nobody takes a 'mech that has nothing but MGs. No-one. Zero people. That 8MG Mist Lynx also has 4 ER Small Lasers. That 6 MG Arctic Cheetah probably has something along the lines of 2 Heavy Medium Lasers. If I have enough lasers to peel open your armor and then make your internals instantly disappear with my MGs then the fact that MGs by themselves are worthless against armor is completely irrelevant. In no real in-game situation is an enemy going to attack you with MGs, just MGs, and only MGs. My point is, these little LMG lights are perfectly capable of stripping armor all by themselves and anyone trying to say otherwise is just being dishonest.

Edited by Mole, 09 September 2017 - 07:44 PM.

[Deathlike]

Asym, on 09 September 2017 - 07:31 PM, said:

It's OK.... Statistics are just numbers someone uses to catagorize stuff.... I get his point: shut up unless you are one of "us"... To think, I use to get paid a huge salary to figure "stuff this kinda stuff out?!"

I think it's time just to read forum pieces beacuse it really doesn't matter what anyone says: PGI really, isn't listening....

Again, I surrender. Out.

I'm not for one telling you to stop talking, but I'll give you this piece of advice.

If someone is actually better than you in this game, it is in your best interest to not argue or complain, but rather ask "why" they are so effective. If any sort of decent advice is given as a consequence (other than "git gud"), there's nothing wrong to question it, but being dismissive of the advice (aka blaming the meta) usually rubs the advice giver the wrong way.

I don't have problems explaining what you could do to be better, but that's still 99+%/100% on YOU to want to get better. Just staying put statwise only suggests that you didn't learn anything.

So, I'm not in that business to tell you to stop talking... but many people that are better would honestly prefer people to stop talking about or repeating bad habits AND listen to what you can do to get better...

It's really easy to go off on people about getting better and stuff, but at times people have too much pride or something that stops them from realizing they could honestly do that much better when given good advice.

Edited by Deathlike, 09 September 2017 - 07:41 PM.

[Scout Derek]

Mole, on 09 September 2017 - 07:38 PM, said:

Good job completely missing the point. I wasn't trying to say "MGs are good against armor". You know why? Because nobody takes a 'mech that has nothing but MGs. No-one. Zero people. That 8MG Mist Lynx also has 4 ER Small Lasers. That 6 MG Arctic Cheetah probably has something along the lines of 2 Heavy Medium Lasers. If I have enough lasers to peel open your armor and then make your internals instantly disappear with my MGs then the fact that MGs by themselves are worthless against armor is completely irrelevant because in no real in-game situation is an enemy going to attack you with MGs, just MGs, and only MGs. My point is, these little LMG lights are perfectly capable at stripping armor all by themselves and anyone trying to say otherwise is just being dishonest.

They are effective in a 1v1 and 1v2s, 1v2s at that smaller mechs with limited weaponry.

However, these mechs are weaker than usual, particularly in the arms, which the MGs are mounted.

Now if they were Torso mounted, they would be monsters, since you can use arms as shields to spread damage. But here you don't have much to go on but facetank and shield a weak arm.

Light Mechs with boating MGs are effective, but can easily be swatted down if they are not careful.

[Mole]

Scout Derek, on 09 September 2017 - 07:44 PM, said:

They are effective in a 1v1 and 1v2s, 1v2s at that smaller mechs with limited weaponry.

However, these mechs are weaker than usual, particularly in the arms, which the MGs are mounted.

Now if they were Torso mounted, they would be monsters, since you can use arms as shields to spread damage. But here you don't have much to go on but facetank and shield a weak arm.

Light Mechs with boating MGs are effective, but can easily be swatted down if they are not careful.

Look, Derek, all I know is when I run around in my MG Lynx or Cheetah I pretty much delete any 'mech of any weight class that is unfortunate enough to get in my way unless over half the enemy team is firing at me or they fight fire with fire and send another MG light after me.

[Y E O N N E]

Mole, on 09 September 2017 - 07:47 PM, said:

Look, Derek, all I know is when I run around in my MG Lynx or Cheetah I pretty much delete any 'mech of any weight class that is unfortunate enough to get in my way unless over half the enemy team is firing at me or they fight fire with fire and send another MG light after me.

I don't think you are just deleting 'Mechs. The numbers do not support that assertion.

Asym, on 09 September 2017 - 06:42 PM, said:

Here is some advice: with a dwindling player base; with new player retention problems out the butt; with entire portions of this game not being used...

Portions of the game not being used...like MGs until recently?

[Scout Derek]

Mole, on 09 September 2017 - 07:47 PM, said:

Look, Derek, all I know is when I run around in my MG Lynx or Cheetah I pretty much delete any 'mech of any weight class that is unfortunate enough to get in my way unless over half the enemy team is firing at me or they fight fire with fire and send another MG light after me.

Then when we meet on the battlefield, I hope to see those mechs should you do pilot them to pick off my Orion IIC in a 1v1

[Mole]

Yeonne Greene, on 09 September 2017 - 08:06 PM, said:

I don't think you are just deleting 'Mechs. The numbers do not support that assertion.

What numbers are you referring to? My leader-board stats? If so, you should know that I've been spending most of my time fiddling with experimental builds, many of which have proven unsuccessful, since new tech came out. I do not play my Mist Lynx and Arctic Cheetah all that often, but when I do I can personally dispatch any 'mech that is unsupported by their team unless that 'mech is packing Streaks or that 'mech is another MG light.

[Brain Cancer]

Vyx, on 09 September 2017 - 02:31 PM, said:

I stand by my statements.

In a system where a platoon of men armed with assault rifles can legitimately damage a 'Mech and be a significant threat to lighter ones, calling an LMG "not capable of damage" is laughable.

Much less 6-8 at once.

[Y E O N N E]

Mole, on 09 September 2017 - 08:42 PM, said:

What numbers are you referring to? My leader-board stats? If so, you should know that I've been spending most of my time fiddling with experimental builds, many of which have proven unsuccessful, since new tech came out. I do not play my Mist Lynx and Arctic Cheetah all that often, but when I do I can personally dispatch any 'mech that is unsupported by their team unless that 'mech is packing Streaks or that 'mech is another MG light.

Please. I spend most of my time in experimental builds, too. I've been playing a MAL-2P with everything under the sun on it, I've been screwing around with new Warhammer 6R builds, new Marauder builds, and I've been playing an Arrow with an XL180 in it. And I'm roughly half the distance from the top to you. Most of it solo; only have ~12 drops in groups this season.

In the Light class, though, I have been playing the MLX-ED fairly religiously. And I'm doing great, thanks (was even considerably better before the Javelin spam in groups last night). But I wouldn't call it "deleting any 'Mech" by a stretch. It's just practiced timing; I can post similar results in a laser Locust.

Edited by Yeonne Greene, 10 September 2017 - 10:11 AM.

[Mole]

Yeonne Greene, on 10 September 2017 - 10:01 AM, said:

Please. I spend most of my time in experimental builds, too. I've been playing a MAL-2P with everything under the sun on it, I've been screwing around with new Warhammer 6R builds, new Marauder builds, and I've been playing an Arrow with an XL180 in it. And I'm roughly half the distance from the top to you. Most of it solo; only have ~12 drops in groups this season.

In the Light class, though, I have been playing the MLX-ED fairly religiously. And I'm doing great, thanks (was even considerably better before the Javelin spam in groups last night). But I wouldn't call it "deleting any 'Mech" by a stretch. It's just practiced timing; I can post similar results in a laser Locust.

Whatever makes you feel better man. I'm not going to sit here and engage in your little leaderboard e-peen measuring contest because you don't like my opinion. The truth of the matter is the most powerful light 'mechs in my 'mechbay are my LMG lights and that's that, whether you choose to believe me or not.

[Mcgral18]

Mole, on 10 September 2017 - 10:40 AM, said:

Whatever makes you feel better man. I'm not going to sit here and engage in your little leaderboard e-peen measuring contest because you don't like my opinion. The truth of the matter is the most powerful light 'mechs in my 'mechbay are my LMG lights and that's that, whether you choose to believe me or not.

SRMs with good convergence absolutely shart on Myth Lynxes


That's because they blow off those fragile components


Effective range is just lower, but the Lynx can't output enough DoT to beat the FLD of the SRMs

[Y E O N N E]

Mole, on 10 September 2017 - 10:40 AM, said:

Whatever makes you feel better man. I'm not going to sit here and engage in your little leaderboard e-peen measuring contest because you don't like my opinion. The truth of the matter is the most powerful light 'mechs in my 'mechbay are my LMG lights and that's that, whether you choose to believe me or not.

Every time something, anything, comes up that is typically seen as out of line by even competitive teams, you are over here in the corner going "nah man, this thing is fine. I'm good with it." And now we have the MGs, which are empirically inferior to SRMs or lasers at brawl and poke, respectively, and here you are saying "I'm so goddamn amazing with this!" without any evidence to back that up, obfuscating with the "I run experimental builds" excuse.

I think we know who is really stroking his e-peen, here, and his name begins with "M" and rhymes with "troll."

[Bigbacon]

they are definitely going to get nerfed sometime.

Not that they are amazing but at the same time they can be amazing. 8 on one mech is almost....almost...completely broken. you can pull some amazing damage numbers using nothing but LMGs.

[TheFallOfTheReaper]

Weeeeeh weeeeeeeeeeeeeerh mgs opaf pgi pls nerf something that finally found a home, what about the Jenny 2c comming out? It has 6 ballistics......, let's nerf it before it shows its face, weeehhhhh call the whambulance my feelings got critted! Sooooo streaks got removed overnight? Lasers and acs as well? Grow up. We all deal with it. It's not gonna change if you troll the fourms with hundreds of nonsense threads, grab some streaks put your big boy/girl/attackhelicopter panties on and shoot them back.
Also isn't mg crit rate for unarmored like 10x?
Ghost heat? For a heatless weapon? Are you smoking crack? Let me talk to your dealer real quick.
Tldr it's a weapon in a big stompy robot.........be happy we even have it at the rate it's been going.
If your safe space doesn't deal well with change I'd recommend a shrink. Or hide under a rock
Also some of these arguments make no sense, stopped reading on page seven, because it began repeating the same nonsense from five other threads. Mods clean this shite up and let's move on please.
I'll bet if they hadn't dropped those two variants, the Jenny would have caused the same **** when it drops this month.........quick refund it before they nerf!
Edit:
Also back to the streaks, you could just cut the bloody arms off and be done with it

Edited by ShadowHimself, 12 September 2017 - 02:58 PM.

[Mole]

ShadowHimself, on 12 September 2017 - 02:55 PM, said:

Ghost heat? For a heatless weapon? Are you smoking crack? Let me talk to your dealer real quick.

Unfortunately there is precedent for this. Look what happens when you put Gauss Rifles and PPCs on your 'mech now. That's right, they gave Gauss Rifles, a heatless weapon, ghost heat when fired along with a PPC.