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[Davegt27]

MW5 is a crap shoot it might be great then again it might not be

I could go into all the details of games since 1970's but most of you know how hard it is
to come up with a "hit" of a game

I think MWO is and was a hit even if they never had that many players just look how long it stayed around

I am ready to throw down money right now for MW5
all my fears and reservations about online multiplayer games have come true in MWO

basically I want to pay my money and be on my separate way
I pray it will be great but if it is not it will go in the pile of non fun games that I still have
like the $65 F15 Strike Eagle III or Silent Service II

if you get to play MW5 at Mechcon don't say anything bad I want to live in my
fantasy world that it will be great

[Peter2k]

Davegt27, on 02 October 2017 - 06:09 AM, said:

I am ready to throw down money right now for MW5

oh I'll buy it as well, when its released

but certainly not as pre-order (as Appogee is betting ), founding, kickstarter

Thorn Hallis, on 02 October 2017 - 05:35 AM, said:

Allright, that makes sense in that context.

as far as we know this is all hypothetical anyway

still once they are done with MW5 how hard could it be to transfer some more maps, mechs, game modes that are basically all team death match
and attach multiplayer
err, lets say with team death match

I wonder how much of the custom code (MM and what not) is rather independent from CryEngine
or if its nay impossible to transfer and would have to be done again

Edited by Peter2k, 02 October 2017 - 07:20 AM.

[TLBFestus]

Here is what I think is most likely to happen;


IF PGI can make a decent SP MW5 experience (see...decent...not setting my sights too high for them to hit), they will carry on with that either with new games every year or so, or a series of DLC (daggummit I hate that stuff for the most part).

Then they will announce a NEW version of MWO coming soon using the unreal engine. The real kicker is to fiugre out exactly HOW they will implement it;

1. They will say it's a totally new MMO game and that they will be providing "legacy" support to the original MWO for a year and then shutting down the servers.

Then;

2a. As it is a "new" game you will have to start over from scratch, but you will be so excited you will throw money at them anyhow.

2b. As it's a new game you will have to start from scratch again, OR they will offer a transfer option of your entire stable of mechs for only X amount of dollars. It will (Perhaps?) be a "limited time only", "early access" or "founders only" available option with different rewards depending on how much you spend.

Edited by TLBFestus, 02 October 2017 - 11:09 AM.

[Undercover Brother]

Everyone keeps saying MW5 has no mech lab...

There WILL be repair/rearm, and the WILL be a system to swap/replace weapons.

For example, you WILL be able to replace a Mydron Excel AC5 with an Imperitor AC5, salvaged from another mech. However, you won't be able to replace your AC2 with an AC10. You will still be able to drop a ton of LRM Ammo for an extra ton of Autocannon Ammo.



As for MW5 REPLACING MWO...WITHOUT A DOUBT, MWO will be tossed aside when MW5 comes out. I GUARANTEE that, even if MW5 doesn't release with Multiplayer, it will eventually be a pay-more add-on...Like a "Call of Duty" game. When that happens, EVERYTHING the MWO playerbase has invested, will be tossed out.

WELCOME TO REALITY... PGI doesn't care about you...only your money. And you'll pay for it, because MW5 will be a superior product.

[MW Waldorf Statler]

from me ..no money for a new PGI Game and nothing interest to play MW by random AI generated stupid ugly "3 Ground textures-No Mans Sky" maps with large Build Times
and limited Mechlab against troops with a VIP-AI from PGI...and the UE4 -(seeing ARK Survival (MWO loks in most ways better)

Edited by Old MW4 Ranger, 02 October 2017 - 01:57 PM.

[Mystere]

So little information, too much speculation. <shrugs>

[MechaBattler]

That's ridiculous, Undercover Brother. They can still make good money off mech packs. Without having to devote too much to development. It's not a great cash cow. But it's still a cash cow. There's plenty of F2P games that get by with the only real content being that which they sell.

Maybe MW5 might be a better cash cow for them. But why give up either cash cow?

Edited by MechaBattler, 02 October 2017 - 02:11 PM.

[SovietArmada]

what videos?

[CMDR Sunset Shimmer]

Undercover Brother, on 02 October 2017 - 01:44 PM, said:

WELCOME TO REALITY... PGI doesn't care about you...only your money. And you'll pay for it, because MW5 will be a superior product.

I dunno man, I've been playing since closed beta, I've gotten my fill, even though I've dropped over 2k into this game.

I'm ready for MW5, hell I hope they do abandon MWO, and focus on MW5 and expansions/dlc for it, because this game, is far from what I was expecting back in 2012, and if MW5 can do it for me like it looks like it's going to, then I'll be happy to abandon this dumpster fire for a game that's much more like what I expect out of Mechwarrior.

[Alistair Winter]

Llymrel, on 30 September 2017 - 07:02 AM, said:

Maybe MWO was just a long running beta for MW5?

I'd say yes and no. I think it's fairly obvious that PGI will use MW5 to make a new MMO, unless their new game fails dramatically. Since they will already have all the assets for MW5, it's not going to be terribly expensive to make MWO2. And it's pretty obvious that a lot of people will be happy to buy mech packs for the next online Mechwarrior game, judging by how many people are still spending hundreds of dollars per year on this 5 year old game.

However, I don't think it's likely that we will see MW5 for quite some time. So if MW5 is a success, and they decide to make MWO2, I don't think we'll see MWO2 Beta for at least another 3 years.

But I agree with the question you raised. Why keep spending? It's clear that this game is no longer a priority. I'd rather spend money on other games for now, and then maybe spend money on MW5 and MWO2 later. On the other hand... if MW5 is a great game with as many features as they've promised, then I'm not sure I will need to spend so much money on MWO2. I'll probably prefer to play through the MW5 campaign than to keep playing Skirmish and Conquest with better graphics in MWO2.

[JediPanther]

TLBFestus, on 02 October 2017 - 11:09 AM, said:

Here is what I think is most likely to happen;

2b. As it's a new game you will have to start from scratch again, OR they will offer a transfer option of your entire stable of mechs for only X amount of dollars. It will (Perhaps?) be a "limited time only", "early access" or "founders only" available option with different rewards depending on how much you spend.

I'd expect such a thing to be free as long as you spend the amount needed to transfer your assets over. I'd sure as hell not pay for it on a per mech or past package deal. I'd really expect it to be a one time option for free for founders or other who have bought for certain mechs either from packs,store,mc, or al la carte but it is pgi and they only care about the money. As for loosing all 'our' past mechs I keep a back up copy of the game data and there is that whole 100 page plus thread on how to get and use the mechs in other programs. You better believe I'm keeping a copy of the 3d models I've paid real money for as well as a copy of the receipts in my email.

[Peter2k]

JediPanther, on 03 October 2017 - 10:07 PM, said:

I'd expect such a thing to be free as long as you spend the amount needed to transfer your assets over. I'd sure as hell not pay for it on a per mech or past package deal. I'd really expect it to be a one time option for free for founders or other who have bought for certain mechs either from packs,store,mc, or al la carte but it is pgi and they only care about the money. As for loosing all 'our' past mechs I keep a back up copy of the game data and there is that whole 100 page plus thread on how to get and use the mechs in other programs. You better believe I'm keeping a copy of the 3d models I've paid real money for as well as a copy of the receipts in my email.

Mmm

Sad thing is I can see something like this definetely happening
Just like I could see a pre order, special, collectors something something MW5 happening at this year's MechCon

It would still be fairer to transfer all purchased content over

Alistair Winter, on 03 October 2017 - 04:18 PM, said:

I'd say yes and no. I think it's fairly obvious that PGI will use MW5 to make a new MMO, unless their new game fails dramatically. Since they will already have all the assets for MW5, it's not going to be terribly expensive to make MWO2..

Right?
They are already making a mechlab, porting models over
What's in MWO aside from the Mechs And the mechlab that people would actually miss?

HPG?
the world's best MM?
FP?

Ehh

Time will tell

Edited by Peter2k, 04 October 2017 - 12:03 AM.

[Thorn Hallis]

TLBFestus, on 02 October 2017 - 11:09 AM, said:

1. They will say it's a totally new MMO game and that they will be providing &quot;legacy&quot; support to the original MWO for a year and then shutting down the servers.

Then;

2a. As it is a &quot;new&quot; game you will have to start over from scratch, but you will be so excited you will throw money at them anyhow.

2b. As it's a new game you will have to start from scratch again, OR they will offer a transfer option of your entire stable of mechs for only X amount of dollars. It will (Perhaps?) be a &quot;limited time only&quot;, &quot;early access&quot; or &quot;founders only&quot; available option with different rewards depending on how much you spend.

I think PGI would have to either make it part of MW5 or give it a totally new name and feel. Just rehashing MWO on a new engine and again starting with only 5 chassis wont work well.

[Tarl Cabot]

And... as a reminder, PGI license comes up for renewal in mid 2018, unless something has changed.....

[Toothless]

Hey guys mechwarrior 6 is coming out in ten years, why keep spending and playing MWO and MW5?

[Bombast]

Tarl Cabot, on 04 October 2017 - 03:15 AM, said:

And... as a reminder, PGI license comes up for renewal in mid 2018, unless something has changed.....

Don't know why people keep bringing that up. There's been no breakdown in the relationship between licenseer and licensee, and no one else wants it.

[Krellshand]

It would be actually AWESOME if the would replace MWO with MC5

They would just have to give you a refund for all the money spend (so, all the Mechs you have here, you get in MW5, same for decals etc) and BOOM - a whole influx of new players for our favorite game

[Monster Ultra Zero]

Undercover Brother, on 02 October 2017 - 01:44 PM, said:

For example, you WILL be able to replace a Mydron Excel AC5 with an Imperitor AC5, salvaged from another mech. However, you won't be able to replace your AC2 with an AC10. You will still be able to drop a ton of LRM Ammo for an extra ton of Autocannon Ammo.

A severely limited mechlab to go along with challenging AI in a procedurally generated paradise?

I hope MW5 will be good, but the campaign would need to be damn good to make up for the limited customisation and lack of multiplayer.

Peter2k, on 03 October 2017 - 11:59 PM, said:

What's in MWO aside from the Mechs And the mechlab that people would actually miss?

Decals and Faction Warfare .

Tarl Cabot, on 04 October 2017 - 03:15 AM, said:

And... as a reminder, PGI license comes up for renewal in mid 2018, unless something has changed.....

If you cross your fingers too much, you'll break them.

Edited by Rootpole, 04 October 2017 - 04:05 AM.

[Alistair Winter]

Krellshand, on 04 October 2017 - 03:44 AM, said:

It would be actually AWESOME if the would replace MWO with MC5

They would just have to give you a refund for all the money spend (so, all the Mechs you have here, you get in MW5, same for decals etc) and BOOM - a whole influx of new players for our favorite game

I'm pretty sure the reason they're making more MW games is to make whales spend more money. But you wrote MC5, so maybe you meant MechCommander 5? In that case, it would be pretty cool to just port all your stuff from MWO into the new game. I'd love that. I do prefer RTS to turn based strategy.

[TLBFestus]

JediPanther, on 03 October 2017 - 10:07 PM, said:

I'd expect such a thing to be free as long as you spend the amount needed to transfer your assets over. I'd sure as hell not pay for it on a per mech or past package deal. I'd really expect it to be a one time option for free for founders or other who have bought for certain mechs either from packs,store,mc, or al la carte but it is pgi and they only care about the money. As for loosing all 'our' past mechs I keep a back up copy of the game data and there is that whole 100 page plus thread on how to get and use the mechs in other programs. You better believe I'm keeping a copy of the 3d models I've paid real money for as well as a copy of the receipts in my email.

You are basically saying what I'm saying. If it's not too difficult, they will have a "Founders program" of some sort in which they will transfer your stable of mechs from MWO. If a transfer isn't feasible they will replace them with the equivalent chassis (altho not loadout).

All of this would be for a price of course. Remember the original Founders program? Honestly, in thinking about it, I can't see them offering to transfer an unlimited number of mechs (might hurt future sales too much) but maybe something like a sliding scale of 30, 20 10 mechs of your choice depending on what level of participation you pay for.

Then again, maybe it's just simpler for them to give all those players with huge mech collections the finger and say "Sorry, new game, pay as you go sucka!"