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[Jackal Noble]

81KPH 35 ton mech

2 ballistic points
2 missile points
ams point

paper thin armor.

Dusted it off for another try since it dropped. Good lord this thing blows.
Thank goodness for omnipods so i can just build the COU-H with it's ecm, which helps to compensate for how inherently bad this mech is.

Would honestly have preferred PGI mystical powers to have just given an ECM Adder, the tonnage saved vs the loss of 16.2 kph is somewhat nil, 2 tons give or take. Even less, if you use the H's jjs.


Who greenlighted this mech btw? Are there some serious backers that are hardcore into Battletech and want to see their nostalgia dreams fullfilled even if it means we end up with garbage like the Cougar, the Thanatos and the Hellspawn? Genuinely curious sometimes as to how mechs are picked.
Don't say community driven, because it obviously is not. How much longer does this game have, that we can afford to waste such precious mechpack months on total drivel.

Ok, never seen one of these lists, right? lol.
Just cruising through Sarna, and looking at what I think would be some cool or esoteric offerings in the game. Sorry, just kinda irked at the latest offerings for IS in particular.

Where's the
Fafnir (dual machine gun bonus of course) http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Fafnir
Sagitairre http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Sagittaire
Lynx (just looks cool) http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Lynx
Grendel (need another Clan 45 tonner) Grendel
Crusader (a bigger PHX? yes please) http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Crusader
Great Wyrm (BA lookin C 45 ton Bmech) http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Great_Wyrm
Hellion (fricking sweet chassis) http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Hellion
Hitman (again, cool looking) http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Hitman
Komodo (IS Nova lite with ECM) http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Komodo
Blackhawk KU (IS Nova) http://www.sarna.net...i/Black_Hawk-KU
IMP (cuz Giant Urbie mode; besides we got the Anni) http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Imp
Atlas II (side-arm ballistic). http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Atlas_II ok this one is redundant AF
Hammer and Anvil (symbiotic bonus anyone??)
http://www.sarna.net...mer_(BattleMech)
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Anvil
Fire Falcon (http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Fire_Falcon

I honestly intended as this to be a whine about my displeasure with the Cougar-BA and not turn into a wishlist.

Edited by JackalBeast, 01 October 2017 - 05:27 PM.

[FupDup]

Basically, people are nostalgic for the Cougar after playing MW4 and/or Mechassault, but they forget that both games made the Cougar faster/stronger/tougher than it ever was in the lore. MWO translated the Cougar from TT pretty accurately in that regard.

[Jackal Noble]

Ya, anytime I get in a protracted skirmish I'm amazed if I walk away with my ST not insta critted.

[Bombast]

Yah... the Cougar was a weird choice. Not necessarily because of its hard points - We have the damn Addar, for ***** sakes. Was it really worth a mechpack slot just to... wait, I got suspended last time I told the joke about removing the hood. They don't like that word.

Anyway, yes. Boring, not very good, and with bad hard points. Ick.

Also #SunderOrIRiot

Edited by Bombast, 01 October 2017 - 11:06 AM.

[Bud Crue]

Could the Cougar-BA Suck any more than it does?

JackalBeast, on 01 October 2017 - 10:59 AM, said:

81KPH 35 ton mech

2 ballistic points
2 missile points
ams point

Yes. It can easily be made worse:
Make it an IS mech, and put the B points in one arm, and the M points in the CT.
We call it a Panther 10P.

[Jackal Noble]

Bud Crue, on 01 October 2017 - 11:08 AM, said:

Could the Cougar-BA Suck any more than it does?



Yes. It can easily be made worse:
Make it an IS mech, and put the B points in one arm, and the M points in the CT.
We call it a Panther 10P.

But speed.
But the panther hero..... no wait he sucks too lol. Katana Kat, such a feminine feline.

[FupDup]

Bud Crue, on 01 October 2017 - 11:08 AM, said:

Yes. It can easily be made worse:
Make it an IS mech, and put the B points in one arm, and the M points in the CT.
We call it a Panther 10P.

Weeeeeeeeeelllll...at least the Panther has better hitboxes and quarks. I guess.

[Bombast]

Bud Crue, on 01 October 2017 - 11:08 AM, said:

We call it a Panther 10P.

Pfft, jokes on you. 10P Master Race.

Spoiler

[Relishcakes]

I kinda got the feeling from looking at the cougar variants that it was supposed to be a heavy weapons platform on a small frame meant to get around fast....granted fast is relative with this damn cougar. That being said, the only variant i have found to be worth a look is the COU-C. The right arm with its laser hardpoints and the left with the ballistic hardpoint and generous weight allowance actually gives you some solid options.
As far as its survivability, unskilled its ******* terrible. However if you point into survival AND use the extra weight thats left after throwing your weapons on to armor up. you're pretty golden.
As far as the Cougar platform goes its one that takes a LOT of practice and patience....and much tweaking. Its far from a **** storm though.

[N0ni]

Cougar is alright other than the speed and it being squishy.

My BLOOD ADDER.

[Jackal Noble]

N0ni, on 01 October 2017 - 11:44 AM, said:

Cougar is alright other than the speed and it being squishy.

My BLOOD ADDER.

hahahahahaha. I run the H with 1 heavy large and 4 er medium. Has 18 DHS.

[Rick T Dangerous]

JackalBeast, on 01 October 2017 - 10:59 AM, said:

http://www.sarna.net...er_(BattleMech)

FTFY

Edited by Rick T Dangerous, 01 October 2017 - 12:06 PM.

[N0ni]

JackalBeast, on 01 October 2017 - 12:00 PM, said:

hahahahahaha. I run the H with 1 heavy large and 4 er medium. Has 18 DHS.

I originally had that or 2 HLL and 2-3 Meds, but i don't like longer burn times on such a squishy mech... considering anyone can sneeze at your STs and there goes all the armor even when frontloaded. My personal favorite is my Prime(S) with Gauss, 3 cERMLs and 2 JJs.

[Bombast]

Rick T Dangerous, on 01 October 2017 - 12:05 PM, said:

FTFY

But you didn't fix the Grendel? For shame.

[DaZur]

I love threads like this...

There's always someone here who distills the BT universe into a binary bad/not bad meta argument further exacerbating their inference by demeaning the lore and fluff, and the folks who appreciate what this IP is built upon...

Believe it or not... Yes, lore based products are important to a large contingent of this community and equally surprising is the fact that a lot of players can make these marginal mechs sing and do wonderous things despite their shortcomings.

Not everyone is a slave to binary meta decisions and they can appreciate a mech for what it is or isn't and take great pride in not having to lean so heavily upon the meta crutch to find success/have fun.

Edited by DaZur, 02 October 2017 - 06:08 PM.

[Bombast]

DaZur, on 01 October 2017 - 12:25 PM, said:

I love threads like this...

There's always someone here who distills the BT universe into a binary bad/not bad meta argument further exacerbated their inference by demeaning the lore and fluff, and the folks who appreciate what this IP is built upon...

Believe it or not... Yes, lore based products are important to a large contingent of this community and equally surprising is the fact that a lot of players can make these marginal mechs sing and do wonderous things despite their shortcomings.

Not everyone is a slave to binary meta decisions they can't appreciate a mech for what it is or isn't and take great pride in not having to lean so heavily upon the meta crutch to find success/have fun.

The Cougar kind of fails the lore test too, though - It's an unimportant mech, known for pretty much nothing. Even it's TRO entry is boring as hell, its only notable feature being that it's an unabashed copy of another mech. It's even more redundant than the "And Now With No Aspartame!" IIC mechs.

I think that's kind of the problem with the Cougar. It's got no meaningful lore presence, it's design is a bland rehash, and it brings nothing mechanical to the table. All things that can be said of other mechs, for sure, but those mechs don't exist in the same space as the Cougar - Clan lights, where there certainly are holes to be plugged.

The only reason to include the Cougar is to appease a nostalgia need, which apparently there was, as small as it may have been. Personally, I don't generally have a problem with that, but something else really was needed, and there were other options that would have been more interesting.

Edited by Bombast, 01 October 2017 - 12:37 PM.

[LT. HARDCASE]

DaZur, on 01 October 2017 - 12:25 PM, said:

I love threads like this...

There's always someone here who distills the BT universe into a binary bad/not bad meta argument further exacerbated their inference by demeaning the lore and fluff, and the folks who appreciate what this IP is built upon...

Believe it or not... Yes, lore based products are important to a large contingent of this community and equally surprising is the fact that a lot of players can make these marginal mechs sing and do wonderous things despite their shortcomings.

Not everyone is a slave to binary meta decisions they can't appreciate a mech for what it is or isn't and take great pride in not having to lean so heavily upon the meta crutch to find success/have fun.

Go on, stimulate yourself to your heart's content.

You "look at me I don't play meta" nose in the air people are so self important.

Edited by LT. HARDCASE, 01 October 2017 - 12:42 PM.

[stealthraccoon]

Hmm, another mech people don’t like and I have a great time with... who knew?
(And yes, PNT-10P, moar epic-ness!)

[InvictusLee]

FupDup, on 01 October 2017 - 11:00 AM, said:

Basically, people are nostalgic for the Cougar after playing MW4 and/or Mechassault, but they forget that both games made the Cougar faster/stronger/tougher than it ever was in the lore. MWO translated the Cougar from TT pretty accurately in that regard.

Should have been a 35 ton assaultmech...

[N0ni]

DaZur, on 01 October 2017 - 12:25 PM, said:

Not everyone is a slave to binary meta decisions they can't appreciate a mech for what it is or isn't and take great pride in not having to lean so heavily upon the meta crutch to find success/have fun.

If min/maxing the most efficient way to take a mech out of the game is defined as a "meta crutch", i'll be happy to use that any day of the week while others continue to give themselves an unnecessary challenge making use of terrible hardpoints. Nothing against anyone that does that for fun, but if you do it just to be "anti-meta" then you can't really complain when you get taken out by someone better equipped.