Jun Watarase, on 07 October 2017 - 10:56 AM, said:
The funny thing is...most clan omni mechs are worse than IS mechs. I will even do a quick run down for you :
Mist lynx : Only became decent after the MG boat variant was released, and that has arms that get blown off when you sneeze at them
Adder/Kitfox : 96 kph lights with bad hitboxes and inferior hardpoints, need i say more? It's like the Urbie.
Viper/Ice ferret : Look at the assassin, then look at these. And cry.
Shadow cat : Your 2x ER LL/ER PPC build is pretty much only relevant for hiding in QP.
Nova : 50 ton mech with locked JJs, no endo/FF, bad hitboxes, low slung arms...clan units use HBK-IICs instead of this for a reason.
Stormcrow : Bushwacker is tankier, has better hitboxes and can easily outbrawl a stormcrow. Can even mount more SRMs than a stormcrow.
Summoner : Compare this to the grasshopper. Its just sad.
Gargoyle/Executioner : No explanation needed. You literally have to be drunk to think IS mechs aren't better than these.
Dire wolf : Worse hitboxes than the annihilator, no durability quirks, same speed. There is a reason why direwolves have all but dissapeared after the Kodiak came out.
OK, so, there are 22 Clan Omnis in the game. You listed 12 (13, because the Cougar is an OmniMech) that you consider worse than Is 'mechs (which I take to mean worse than average, not worse than all, not worse than the best).
I'll give you the Mist Lynx from your Light choices, but the Kit Fox is up there with the best Lights and both the Adder & Cougar are, at worst, average.
The Ice Ferret is another I can agree with, although I've been enjoying my Rainbow Crow. The Viper is a Clan Cicada and Cicadas aren't exactly bad 'mechs, but sure, maybe. I'm biased towards the Shadow Cat, so I'll give you that one, too. The Nova is an amazing brawler or poker, so that's not bad by a long shot. The Stormcrow was so good, they had to ban it from Scouting, so it's hardly in a bad place.
As mentioned, the Summoner has at least 2 very solid builds, but sure, you can have that one, too.
Gargoyle & Executioner? OK, fair enough. Dire Wolf? Nah, it can still bring the pain easy enough.
By my count, that's 7 out of 23, so less than a 3rd of Clan Omnis I would consider "worse than IS 'mechs".
Jun Watarase, on 07 October 2017 - 10:56 AM, said:
That's most of the clan omnis already. Of the non-terrible ones, the EBJ has bad hitboxess like the dragon without durability quirks, the hellbringer has no pod space to run anything other than laser vomit, the timberwolf has a locked XL 375, the night gyr has the agility of a 95 tonner (and worthless JJs). Im probably forgetting some, but my point is they all have massive drawbacks compared to IS mechs that are mostly side stepped by the laser vomit meta.
The EBJ has bad hotboxes? That's news to me, I think you're doing it wrong. Hellbringer? I've started piloting mine again, good game average around the 700-800 damage mark, which is high for a potato like me. Timer Wolf has been smacked around a lot, but I'd still put it above has the IS Heavy 'mechs. Night Gyr is still a great dakka or Gauss + laser platform.
Jun Watarase, on 07 October 2017 - 10:56 AM, said:
Everytime someone mentions the "superior clan mechs" they are literally only referring to a handful of clan mechs all running laser vomit. Try using a gargoyle or even a non laser vomit hellbringer (HBR-F for example) and then come back and tell us how superior they are.
Every time someone says "Clan OmniMechs are worse than IS 'mechs" they are talking about a small number of great IS 'mechs. Go and play some Panthers, Trebuchets, Cataphracts & Awesomes, see how they compare to the Mist Lynx, Ice Ferret, Summoner and Gargoyle.
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