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MadRover, on 12 October 2017 - 05:48 PM, said:

I’m game. I’ll let you know how well 2’gauss and 4isERLLs works out. Should be grand. Anyway it’s going to be a sniper mech (and is one according to lore) so running XL on it won’t be awful and will be fun but any other build run that LFE with isERMLs and LB10s or ultra 10s. I seriously only want 2 variants for my nefarious needs but hopefully it has an amazing amount of structure quirks or armor quirks on those STs.

Where are you going to put that fourth ERLL? You don't have the slots on any variant that could do 4x ERLL if you also do 2x Gauss. You would have to go with LGauss. At that point, might as well just go with the typical 5x ERLL.

[MadRover]

Yeonne Greene, on 12 October 2017 - 06:57 PM, said:

Where are you going to put that fourth ERLL? You don't have the slots on any variant that could do 4x ERLL if you also do 2x Gauss. You would have to go with LGauss. At that point, might as well just go with the typical 5x ERLL.

Good point. Make that 3isERLL.

[Nightbird]

That's just a King Crab then, with potentially less quirks.

[MadRover]

Nightbird, on 12 October 2017 - 07:08 PM, said:

That's just a King Crab then, with potentially less quirks.

At least my claws aren’t dragging on the ground.

[Y E O N N E]

MadRover, on 12 October 2017 - 07:06 PM, said:

Good point. Make that 3isERLL.

Can only do it on the 9S, which means one of them is a chin gun.

At this point, though, I have to question why you wouldn't just go with the King Crab for this role. This is not really a poke 'Mech, it's a full-expose 'Mech that commands the field from 800 meters.

[MadRover]

Yeonne Greene, on 12 October 2017 - 07:13 PM, said:

Can only do it on the 9S, which means one of them is a chin gun.

At this point, though, I have to question why you wouldn't just go with the King Crab for this role. This is not really a poke 'Mech, it's a full-expose 'Mech that commands the field from 800 meters.

For some reason I just want to. Idk but it feels right to me. Once i shake it out of my sytem it\'ll be rebuild with the isERMLs because those are going to be slightly better.

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MadRover, on 12 October 2017 - 07:27 PM, said:

For some reason I just want to. Idk but it feels right to me. Once i shake it out of my sytem it\'ll be rebuild with the isERMLs because those are going to be slightly better.

4x ERML and 1x ERLL with a 325 LFE on the NSR-9FC to par with the MAL-2P for that. The MAL-2P can actually run faster by doing it with a 325 LFE, or it can run just as fast and gain durability by using a 300 STD (I actually prefer this one) since the 6x ERML save so much weight over 4x ERML + 1x ERLL.

5x ERML is not worth it, that's Banshee and Battlemaster-grade and both will be faster. Even a Stalker gets to within 1 point of that and runs nearly as fast with a more durable engine and all high mounts.

[Lugin]

In reference to the original post/DS build, a Devastator would be able to get a similar weapon load, but would run a good deal hotter due to the increased bulk and weight of IS components (Fewer sinks). And that doesn't take into account the drop in range on the energy weapons.

[Y E O N N E]

Lugin, on 12 October 2017 - 07:44 PM, said:

In reference to the original post/DS build, a Devastator would be able to get a similar weapon load, but would run a good deal hotter due to the increased bulk and weight of IS components (Fewer sinks). And that doesn't take into account the drop in range on the energy weapons.

It's just a MAL-2P at 100 tons, really.

Both the Sagittaire and Fafnir would be superior options to the Devastator. Better mount points, better energy.

[MadRover]

Yeonne Greene, on 12 October 2017 - 07:43 PM, said:

4x ERML and 1x ERLL with a 325 LFE on the NSR-9FC to par with the MAL-2P for that. The MAL-2P can actually run faster by doing it with a 325 LFE, or it can run just as fast and gain durability by using a 300 STD (I actually prefer this one) since the 6x ERML save so much weight over 4x ERML + 1x ERLL.

5x ERML is not worth it, that's Banshee and Battlemaster-grade and both will be faster. Even a Stalker gets to within 1 point of that and runs nearly as fast with a more durable engine and all high mounts.

which variant for gauss do you think?

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MadRover, on 12 October 2017 - 08:06 PM, said:

which variant for gauss do you think?

NSR-9FC is the the best for mid-range Gauss vomit. It's also the best for full-on ERLL laser vomit, since you need the bigger engine for DHS.

NSR-9S if you want to do ERLL Gauss-vomit.

NSR-9J for LGauss-vomit.

[MadRover]

Yeonne Greene, on 12 October 2017 - 08:18 PM, said:

NSR-9FC is the the best for mid-range Gauss vomit. It's also the best for full-on ERLL laser vomit, since you need the bigger engine for DHS.

NSR-9S if you want to do ERLL Gauss-vomit.

NSR-9J for LGauss-vomit.

Thank you!

[meteorol]

Man, this will totally make PGI balance tech bases.

On a 2nd thought, the will just nerf the DS to hell and back, without even thinking about tech for a single sec.

It's PGI. It has been years. Stop wasting your time

[El Bandito]

meteorol, on 12 October 2017 - 09:27 PM, said:

Man, this will totally make PGI balance tech bases.

On a 2nd thought, the will just nerf the DS to hell and back, without even thinking about tech for a single sec.

It's PGI. It has been years. Stop wasting your time

It is less about opening the eyes of PGI and Chris, and more about opening the eyes of the forumers.

[Zergling]

I remember comparing Clan vs IS laser vomit before and after the skill tree, before and after Civil War tech, and even accounting for quirks the Clans always ended up superior in alpha, heat efficiency/sustained DPS and range, while also maintaining top speed advantage.

But of course, that was all negated by the durability quirks and lower beam duration of IS lasers!

Edited by Zergling, 13 October 2017 - 03:15 AM.

[Lupis Volk]

El Bandito, on 12 October 2017 - 11:48 PM, said:

It is less about opening the eyes of PGI and Chris, and more about opening the eyes of the forumers.

You'll never get the Forum warriors of Forum Warrior Online to open their eyes, The polarisation has been set, the line drawn and sides picked.

[Baba Yogi]

At this point i just wish for Mixtech to be included. Then there would be more balance issue. Tbh, while i understand PGI wanting to retain both IS and Clan as viable choises, they cannot without making them the same. Clans were designed to be OP, and their weapon systems are literally the same as IS just more efficient versions. Atms and Mrms i think the only weapon systems that deviate from one another significantly enough. Although i think IS gets MML in late civil war period.(which is like atms but instead uses srm/lrm ammo) Just add mixtech and we can all use all the sweet toys on mechs we want to drive. And balance will be a far easier thing as well!

[Y E O N N E]

Welp, now we know the Nightstar won't even have a hardpoint placement advantage over the Mauler or Banshee.

RIP.

[El Bandito]

Lupis Volk, on 13 October 2017 - 03:58 AM, said:

You'll never get the Forum warriors of Forum Warrior Online to open their eyes, The polarisation has been set, the line drawn and sides picked.

Naw, I have seen some converts.

[Zergling]

Yeonne Greene, on 13 October 2017 - 03:25 PM, said:

Welp, now we know the Nightstar won't even have a hardpoint placement advantage over the Mauler or Banshee.

RIP.

I swear that PGI is just terrified of the thought of there being a top tier Inner Sphere heavy/assault.

Like seriously, look at how the upper arms are angled downwards to reduce the arm hardpoint height. That downward angle of the upper arms isn't present in neither the original TT artwork or the concept art!