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[Dungeon 206]

Anyone loving the 2 x TBR 2 x ACW drop deck??

[Naglinator]

No, hbr and or ebjs are much better and weight efficient. Timbys have been nerfed into the ground.

[SneekiBreeki]

Yep timbies and gyrs are dead.

Your best bet for some decent dropdecks would be:

Laser Vomit:

3x Hellbie/Shadow Cat
2x Hellbie/2x Hunchie IIC-A
Note: Hellbies can be replaced with Ebon Jags (or even laservomit linebackers if you really like them), Hunchies can be replaced with huntsmans

Gauss Vomit:

3x Gauss vomit Hellbies or Ebon Jags/Lasvom Shadow Cat
2x Hellbies or jags/2x Lasvom Hunchies or Huntsman
MCII-Deathstrike/MCII-1/2x Arctic Cheetah

Long range sniping:

3x ERLL Hellbie/ERLL Shadow Cat
ERLL SNV-1/ERLL Hellbie/ERLL Hunchie IIC-A/ERLL Shadow Cat (use this on boreal vault defense if you really want to try it).

Dakka:

2x Marauder IIC-A/2x Arctic cheetah (can replace the MAD-IIC with a MCII-B )

SRM/brawling:

3x SRM Linebackers/Arctic cheetah
2x SRM-LBX20 Orion IIC-A/Srm Huntsman/Arctic Cheetah (Can replace the cheetah with an Arctic Wolf)
SRM/LBX20 Mad Cat MKII-2/Brawler Mad IIC Scorch/2x Cheetah

Edited by TimberWolf87, 21 October 2017 - 03:42 AM.

[Alex Razorblade]

OMG
1.TBR & NGR not dead, but have little application
NGT-C Used as an alternative to HBR-VI on long ramge maps
TBR-S It is used in attack, where it is necessary to overcome obstacles (grim portico, taiga)

2.with such suggestions for configs, I'm not surprised that the clan PUGs and most of the units are all so sad


Do not bring the ACH, SHC, MLX on the battlefield. this useless mechs (and even more in a double copy)

I will bring configs that you can use both alone and in a group:

Long Range
Assault
MAD-IIC
SNV-C

Heavy
HBR-VI "Viagra" Extra Long (999m effective range)
HBR Long ECM
SMN
NTG-C

Medium
HBK-IIC-A


close range
Assault
MAD-IIC Scorch
MAD-IIC Scorch
SNV-A
MC2-2
MC2-2
MC2-4
HGN-IIC-B

Heavy
LBK-D (extra armor)
LBK-ANY "Burner2"
LBK-ANY "Burner"
LBK-ANY "Striker"
ON1-IIC-A
ON1-IIC-C
MDD-ANY "Burner"
MDD-ANY
MDD-ANY
TBR-S

Medium
HMN-A (Pa based)
HMN-ANY
NVA-BK "Burner"

ACW-ANY omni
Warning smurfy has an error (can't setup FF armor) on bttelmech variants of Arctic Wolf. Your need setup FF armor and add srm ammo
ACW-1
ACW-1
ACW-2

Light
KFX-ANY
KFX-ANY (PURIFIER based)
ADR-ANY


Vomit
Assault
MAD-IIC
MAD-IIC

Heavy
HBR-ANY
HBR-ANY
EJB-ANY
EJB-ANY
TBR-S (used WAR omnipod)
TBR-ANY

Medium
HBK-IIC-A

Edited by Alex Razorblade, 21 October 2017 - 02:09 AM.

[SneekiBreeki]

You can still make use of the timby and gyr indeed but i surely won't reccomend them to anyone but an experienced player (besides, the hellbie and ebonjag still perform better than those 2).

Also i don't know much about what the remaining wolf loyalist units are using but one thing is sure: those two mechs aren't among the best picks for the majority of the good players anymore. :U

[Alex Razorblade]

LOL We (RCW) use them. Only HBR-VI (999) can have a greater distance than NTG-C (975)

Edited by Alex Razorblade, 21 October 2017 - 04:13 AM.

[Yushi]

look in clanwolf loyalist leaderboard, then decide who can tell you good dropdeck in my opinion Alex bring good configs, we use all of them, want to add, dont take LRM at all, dont take light mech in first 2 waves in siege mode and most battles. take max 1 light in drop deck.

Edited by Yushi, 21 October 2017 - 04:14 AM.

[SneekiBreeki]

An experienced player can make good use even of the most nerfed mechs, the problem arises when your usual pug starts bringing such mechs. :U

Also, try asking some of the really good players (I.E. Juju Shinobi, proton, denAir) about the viability of the timby (the gyr is highly situational at best) and you'll get the pretty much the same response as mine...

Yushi, on 21 October 2017 - 04:11 AM, said:

dont take LRM at all, dont take light mech in first 2 waves in siege mode and most battles. take max 1 light in drop deck.

Quoted for truth

The dual assault/light deck is good only if you're actually experienced and can pull off some good damage/kills with a frontloaded deck, a full complement of heavies with a single light or medium would be the best choice for most.

Edited by TimberWolf87, 21 October 2017 - 04:44 AM.

[Yushi]

Use brain, and make own opinion.

[Naglinator]

"timberwolf not dead" then "then timberwolf has little application" So essentially you agree. Any mech is fine in the hands of a good player. Good players are not asking though, bad ones are. Taking LRM or ATM timbys into battle isn't helping anyone. If nothing else you free up weigh with EBJs and HBRs. Also, most pugs won't benefit from 20 meters of increased range from the VI.... like come on now.

[Alex Razorblade]

I will definitely ask DenAirwallker when he visits our TS
TBW are one of the best clan heavy mech (especially for close range dueling). He is not taken to FP because Orion2c has more armor, and mobility is not particularly important there (In most cases) or people try to save some mass.

[SneekiBreeki]

Haven't seen many ASRM timbies post engine desync plus the few i've seen and fought as IS have been pretty ez kills tbh...

The orion IIC is indeed a valid brawler but it still gets trumped on by the linebacker for various reasons (first among them it's 65t weight being the sweet spot for a clan deck).

Yushi, on 21 October 2017 - 05:18 AM, said:

Use brain, and make own opinion.

Please do not imply i didn't test both mechs post nerfs, the agility is terrible on both and almost everyone agrees on the timby being overly nerfed with the needless nega quirks.

Edited by TimberWolf87, 21 October 2017 - 06:01 AM.

[Naglinator]

Meh, the timby pilots like a pig these days. If people bring it just don't go full HHOD and LRM it up please. I still think the HBR is vastly superior.

[Alex Razorblade]

TimberWolf87, on 21 October 2017 - 06:00 AM, said:

The orion IIC is indeed a valid brawler but it still gets trumped on by the linebacker for various reasons (first among them it's 65t weight being the sweet spot for a clan deck).

but only they and MDD can stop the push of the IS Assaults. in contrast to LBK. And if we are talking about LBK and optimization of the deck, it's better to have 4xMDD 6xACRM + 5Flamers

And in general, let them take what they want, if only not for the LRM/ATM/SSRM and the heap of squalid ACH/MLX/SHC

[SneekiBreeki]

ACHs can work as long as the pugs don't bring them on the first waves and as long as they know how to build and properly play them.

The MDD isn't as good as it used to be (agility nerfs IIRC) but they're still pretty viable. The linebacker is just so much faster, agile and tanky tho...

[Naglinator]

Why do you keep bring up the stink lynx??? Who ever suggested that? Plus timby only suggested the SHC sniper build. though in a pinch it's an alright brawler. We have won many a scouting with it(gotta bring different mechs sometimes) And i would always bring a ACH over some lame *** cougar. Slow and no JJs, how fun. Why not bring a dire as well.

[Alex Razorblade]

LBK is needed where you need to run. If the fight involves a tight fire contact, the DMD is better at the expense of firepower. If we talk about the AH and the KV mode, what would be to use it in the current state requires skillful hands

Under the FP, I mean the Shige mode, not the maps from QP

[Naglinator]

Considering that 9/10 of FW is pug bashing, you don't need STELLAR builds. Super optimal is all fine, but rarely needed. Timby and I bring troll front loaded mechs(two guass assaults and 2 lights) and can still put out 2500+ dmg. 'Cause it's usually pugs. Big whoop. The whole point of this post was to state the timby is "fine" but if you're a pug, which is 90 percent of clan wolf, bring something else. Something without missile hardpoints so you wont be tempted to HHOD on us. And DONT bring a dire. Take some of russian clan wolf builds(though they are super flamer heavy) and bring a balance of light heavies(hbr/mdd/enj/lbr) and some MED mechs. You'll find that FW will be much easier with that.

[Alex Razorblade]

Naglinator, on 21 October 2017 - 07:25 AM, said:

Why do you keep bring up the stink lynx??? Who ever suggested that? Plus timby only suggested the SHC sniper build. though in a pinch it's an alright brawler. We have won many a scouting with it(gotta bring different mechs sometimes) And i would always bring a ACH over some lame *** cougar. Slow and no JJs, how fun. Why not bring a dire as well.

You can use anything in Scouting. We often go there on the MLX. But they are absolutely not suitable for the Shige mode (do not forget about the difference in 10t)

As for the SHC, its role is a long range troll, which can be present in 1 or 2 copies at a time, rather than a herd.

Tired of watching MLX/ACH crowds killed by Omega turrets.

Edited by Alex Razorblade, 21 October 2017 - 07:56 AM.

[SneekiBreeki]

The shadow cat is there as a tonnage filler mostly, and you sure don't want to end up using it.

A good drop would usually see the winning team on their 2nd to 3rd mechs. That shadow cat is more of a last resort mech. :U