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[Athom83]

FupDup, on 01 November 2017 - 06:57 PM, said:

Stock speed is 113.4. MASC Mk. 2 is a 23% speed boost, giving you 139.482 kph. Speed tweak is 7.5%, bringing our top speed up to 147.9 kph. Basically:

Basically a Commando pilot when he's on crack (me in my 1B ).

[FupDup]

JackalBeast, on 01 November 2017 - 07:02 PM, said:

That logic disappoints me, but I find it hard to refute.

Nope. All but one chassis only have the 10 standard DHS, and are therefore bereft of the potential 15 DHS in the engine which would have been the only saving grace. The C variant, does have 3/5 internal engine heatsinks tho for a total of 13 in the engine.

Eh, you're still gonna end up spending tonnage on the heatsinks regardless of where they're mounted. Usually the purpose of engine sinks is to save critslots, but for the Blanner you'll have a hard time filling your slots faster than tonnage.

[Jackal Noble]

FupDup, on 01 November 2017 - 07:03 PM, said:

Eh, you're still gonna end up spending tonnage on the heatsinks regardless of where they're mounted. Usually the purpose of engine sinks is to save critslots, but for the Blanner you'll have a hard time filling your slots faster than tonnage.

It was more out just seeing if it had any redeeming qualities, which having some of those 5 extra DHS locked into the stock would have been that. As in it would have given it hair's breadth more viability for carrying heavier weapons. This mech gonna suck.

[FupDup]

JackalBeast, on 01 November 2017 - 07:07 PM, said:

It was more out just seeing if it had any redeeming qualities, which having some of those 5 extra DHS locked into the stock would have been that. As in it would have given it hair's breadth more viability for carrying heavier weapons. This mech gonna suck.

Locked DHS means lower pod space, which means a harder time carrying heavy weapons. Specifically, your pod space would go from 11.5 tons down to just 6.5 tons. Good luck mounting a heavy weapon with that.

[Jackal Noble]

I don't care how fast it goes, when it comes up against something that actually carries weapons it will go "Le poof"

[Y E O N N E]

JackalBeast, on 01 November 2017 - 07:02 PM, said:

That logic disappoints me, but I find it hard to refute.

Nope. All but one chassis only have the 10 standard DHS, and are therefore bereft of the potential 15 DHS in the engine which would have been the only saving grace. The C variant, does have 3/5 internal engine heatsinks tho for a total of 13 in the engine.

TBQH, energy and MGs are the only worthwhile thing on this 'Mech, though the Viper, Mist Lynx, and Cheeto all do it better.

[Jackal Noble]

FupDup, on 01 November 2017 - 07:08 PM, said:

Locked DHS means lower pod space, which means a harder time carrying heavy weapons. Specifically, your pod space would go from 11.5 tons down to just 6.5 tons. Good luck mounting a heavy weapon with that.

Dude. I get that. It was a mention on the fly. as in " I haven't looked at the tech specs but if it comes with some locked DHS in the engine and has the meager 11.5 tonnage available it might be able to carry some barely passable firepower" But it can't even do that.
But looking at a number of omni's but not all, that's kind of how it is. A number of larger engined Clan mechs are based on stock loadouts, and those loadouts may or may not have the max internal engine DHS (and no I'm not referring to the default 10 for any engine >250). In short, I understand. Also, it makes this mech quite crappy. er.

Edited by JackalBeast, 01 November 2017 - 07:14 PM.

[FupDup]

JackalBeast, on 01 November 2017 - 07:11 PM, said:

Dude. I get that. It was a mention the fly. as in " I haven't looked at the tech specs but if it comes with some locked DHS in the engine and has the meager 11.5 tonnage available it might be able to carry some barely passable firepower"
But looking at a number of omni's but not all, that's kind of how it is. A number of larger engined Clan mechs are based on stock loadouts, and those loadouts may or may not have the max internal engine DHS (and no I'm not referring to the default 10 for any engine >250). In short, I understand. Also, it makes this mech quite crappy. er.

TT stock loadouts also don't need as many heatsinks or ammo as MWO builds do. That changes things considerably.

[Jackal Noble]

FupDup, on 01 November 2017 - 07:16 PM, said:

TT stock loadouts also don't need as many heatsinks or ammo as MWO builds do. That changes things considerably.

JackalBeast, on 01 November 2017 - 07:11 PM, said:

In short, I understand. Also, it makes this mech quite crappy. er.

Sorry made one of those Blue Apron dinners, and added a little bit more salt than I should have. Still good, but salty.

[FupDup]

Yeonne Greene, on 01 November 2017 - 07:09 PM, said:

TBQH, energy and MGs are the only worthwhile thing on this 'Mech, though the Viper, Mist Lynx, and Cheeto all do it better.

How does the Lynx do it better? I haven't run the exact numbers, but I imagine that something like 3 MPL or HML + 6 MGs of your choice would certainly outgun the Lynx (at the cost of way more dropdeck tonnage if you play CW).

EDIT: Forgot to mention that with all that excess weight you can either use a huge TC and/or an SRM launcher for extra oomph.

Edited by FupDup, 01 November 2017 - 07:41 PM.

[Y E O N N E]

FupDup, on 01 November 2017 - 07:20 PM, said:

How does the Lynx do it better? I haven't run the exact numbers, but I imagine that something like 3 MPL or HML + 6 MGs of your choice would certainly outgun the Lynx (at the cost of way more dropdeck tonnage if you play CW).

Size and jump jets. You can pop-sprinkle targets from odd angles and your exposure is minuscule. Also, I have 3x HML and 6x MG on my MLX and those 6x MG are worth 7x thanks to quirks.

Edited by Yeonne Greene, 01 November 2017 - 07:22 PM.

[Jackal Noble]

It's top speed with all the bells and whistles is going to hover around 149.9 kph

Stock speed = 113.4 kph
Speed tweaked = 113.4 x 0.075 = 8.505
113.4 + 8.505 = 121.905

Masc MKII 23% speed boost = 121.905 x 0.23 = 28.03815

28.03815 + 121.905 = 149.94315 kph

Lastly I would like to thank the community more than anything for making this craptastic mech a reality.

Edited by JackalBeast, 01 November 2017 - 07:28 PM.

[LT. HARDCASE]

A blatantly mediocre mech that isn't even in Gas Guzzler's mech pack poll wins. That is good business sense.

FupDup, on 01 November 2017 - 06:57 PM, said:

Stock speed is 113.4.

MASC Mk. 2 is a 23% speed boost, giving you 139.482 kph.

Speed tweak is 7.5%, bringing our top speed up to 147.9 kph.

113.4 x 1.075 x 1.23 = 149.943, not that splitting hairs over 2 kph will make a difference.

[FupDup]

LT. HARDCASE, on 01 November 2017 - 07:42 PM, said:

A blatantly mediocre mech that isn't even in Gas Guzzler's mech pack poll wins. That is good business sense.


113.4 x 1.075 x 1.23 = 149.943, not that splitting hairs over 2 kph will make a difference.

Don't the modifiers add up together rather than multiply?

[FantasticMrDark]

This thing looks like like its gonna disintegrate like a Shadowcat the moment anything with reasonable amount of firepower looks at it.

Edited by FantasticMrDark, 01 November 2017 - 07:57 PM.

[Y E O N N E]

FupDup, on 01 November 2017 - 07:45 PM, said:

Don't the modifiers add up together rather than multiply?

Yes.

[Mcgral18]

JackalBeast, on 01 November 2017 - 07:08 PM, said:

I don't care how fast it goes, when it comes up against something that actually carries weapons it will go "Le poof"

It's not like 10 HSLs is a viable and deadly build used on a robot which moves slower, with less HP


"Impossible, this is hot trash", says the forumite!



My opinion? Above mediocre. Nothing world breaking, but should be adequate. That's because of the 6E arm, which hopefully doesn't get NegaQuirks
Will likely launch with quirks, be it over or underquirked, TBD

[Jackal Noble]

Mcgral18, on 01 November 2017 - 08:00 PM, said:

It's not like 10 HSLs is a viable and deadly build used on a robot which moves slower, with less HP


"Impossible, this is hot trash", says the forumite!

In the vein of being vague, it's not like said mech doesn't also carry 2-4 more dhs, whilst having jumpjets and having 1-3 extra tons for equipment. The disparity of armor is what, 5 points of armor per component from a 55 tonner to a 50 tonner?

Blanner - 10 Hsmall -5 tons
remaining tonnage 6.5 tons = 6-7 dhs, 16-17 total. sufficient for loadout

Nova - 10 hsmall - 5 tons
remaining tonnage - 11 tons = 8 dhs (+4 hardlocked), 22 total,. sufficient for loadout - 1.33 HE
Leaves 3 remaining tons, Can go 6/4 for Hsmalls to add an additional DHS
non-optimal but for half-baked comparison sake

Mcgral18, on 01 November 2017 - 08:00 PM, said:

My opinion? Above mediocre. Nothing world breaking, but should be adequate. That's because of the 6E arm, which hopefully doesn't get NegaQuirks
Will likely launch with quirks, be it over or underquirked, TBD

So you're a weatherman now? Also, what's up with this err of superiority? "says the forumite"

[Gas Guzzler]

LT. HARDCASE, on 01 November 2017 - 07:42 PM, said:

A blatantly mediocre mech that isn't even in Gas Guzzler's mech pack poll wins. That is good business sense.

Oh it won a landslide victory in my poll. I just removed it because it was announced.

Yeonne Greene, on 01 November 2017 - 07:09 PM, said:

TBQH, energy and MGs are the only worthwhile thing on this 'Mech, though the Viper, Mist Lynx, and Cheeto all do it better.

3 SRM6a should be very Assassin-esque..

[Jackal Noble]

Gas Guzzler, on 01 November 2017 - 10:54 PM, said:

3 SRM6a should be very Assassin-esque..

unfortunately, an Assassin laughs at 3 SRM6A. But then again the Assassin is a bit of an outlier atm. I love my Assassins, don't run em enough.