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[Angel of Annihilation]

Scout Derek, on 09 November 2017 - 05:43 PM, said:

What were you expecting? Skinny Thanatos? The damned thing is supposed to be like that. Can't see why some of you are complaining about a mech that looks pretty similar to the original.

Just for the record, it looks just like the TRO art however I am not talking about that, I am talking about its scale in relation to other 75 ton mechs. It just appears to be way too bulky COMPARED to those mechs and feels like its overall scale is 10-20% too big in all dimensions.

[Alex Morgaine]

All energy and missiles? Could probably do 300 std.

[FupDup]

Alex Morgaine, on 09 November 2017 - 07:57 PM, said:

All energy and missiles? Could probably do 300 std.

Why STD when you can LFE? Not like being a cherry red walking CT is useful anyways.

[Athom83]

Maybe it could use a bit more bend at the "knees", but that is about it. Would making it smaller be nice? Yup. Does it really need it? Probably not.

[Y E O N N E]

Gas Guzzler, on 09 November 2017 - 04:28 PM, said:

Looks about right to me.

Hmm, I thought it looked a little too big, too. With a torso that deep, I'd have expected it to be a little shorter than it is against the NTG.

I think the fact that its legs are fairly skinny is costing it a bit.

[Scout Derek]

Viktor Drake, on 09 November 2017 - 07:49 PM, said:

Just for the record, it looks just like the TRO art however I am not talking about that, I am talking about its scale in relation to other 75 ton mechs. It just appears to be way too bulky COMPARED to those mechs and feels like its overall scale is 10-20% too big in all dimensions.

It appears that way simply because that's how it's designed. You can't really change it at all without making it look funky as hell. If you do, you're either risking making the side torsos too small - or you risk making the 75 ton mech look like a 65 ton mech.

I really don't have a problem with it - it looks exactly how it should.

If you make it smaller, you're going to have the same situation that the nova had, but reversed; instead of it looking like it the size it should be, it looks like a oversized or a undersized version of the original. Or the catapult rescale gone wrong.

To give you an example of bad scaling, imagine the size of our catapult now, and making it smaller.



If there was a fix, I'd resize the scale of it vertically. The legs are bent and it really makes me feel weird looking at it's legs.

Yeonne Greene, on 09 November 2017 - 09:22 PM, said:

Hmm, I thought it looked a little too big, too. With a torso that deep, I'd have expected it to be a little shorter than it is against the NTG.

I think the fact that its legs are fairly skinny is costing it a bit.

Honestly the bent legs throw me off, if anything.

[Trenchbird]

The Thanatos is a little bulkier than a Timber Wolf, but shorter than a Black Knight. I'd say the scale for it's pretty good, considering it can run twinGauss+Stealth.

I know I'll be running that, at least.

[Scout Derek]

Catten Hart, on 09 November 2017 - 09:27 PM, said:

The Thanatos is a little bulkier than a Timber Wolf, but shorter than a Black Knight. I'd say the scale for it's pretty good, considering it can run twinGauss+Stealth.

I know I'll be running that, at least.

If you were to do so, you would have to do a LFE 275. That leaves you with about 5-7 tons of Gauss Riffle ammo, supplemented by ammo quirks, which would give you around 60-82 rounds, 30-41 shots of 30 dmg each. Should put out at least 600DMG per game if used correctly and missing a few shots here and there, or damage halfed from destroyed limb locations.

[Y E O N N E]

Catten Hart, on 09 November 2017 - 09:27 PM, said:

The Thanatos is a little bulkier than a Timber Wolf, but shorter than a Black Knight. I'd say the scale for it's pretty good, considering it can run twinGauss+Stealth.

I know I'll be running that, at least.

Did you account for the slot requirements of Stealth Armor in your build? Because the only way this is happening is if you also run a STD engine and...well, that's quite heavy even on a 75 ton 'Mech.

[Scout Derek]

Yeonne Greene, on 09 November 2017 - 09:40 PM, said:

Did you account for the slot requirements of Stealth Armor in your build? Because the only way this is happening is if you also run a STD engine and...well, that's quite heavy even on a 75 ton 'Mech.

It's not possible to run Dual Gauss, ECM, Jump Jets and Stealth Armor. That's too many slots and not enough tonnage. At best, if one were to make a Stealth mech out of it, it'd be best via a brawl build, such as the hero mech.

[El Bandito]

Scout Derek, on 09 November 2017 - 09:29 PM, said:

If you were to do so, you would have to do a LFE 275. That leaves you with about 5-7 tons of Gauss Riffle ammo, supplemented by ammo quirks, which would give you around 60-82 rounds, 30-41 shots of 30 dmg each. Should put out at least 600DMG per game if used correctly and missing a few shots here and there, or damage halfed from destroyed limb locations.

Why LFE275, when you can LFE280 for the exact same weight?

[Trenchbird]

Yeonne Greene, on 09 November 2017 - 09:40 PM, said:

Did you account for the slot requirements of Stealth Armor in your build? Because the only way this is happening is if you also run a STD engine and...well, that's quite heavy even on a 75 ton 'Mech.

Ah crap.

Edited by Catten Hart, 09 November 2017 - 09:53 PM.

[Y E O N N E]

Scout Derek, on 09 November 2017 - 09:42 PM, said:

It's not possible to run Dual Gauss, ECM, Jump Jets and Stealth Armor. That's too many slots and not enough tonnage. At best, if one were to make a Stealth mech out of it, it'd be best via a brawl build, such as the hero mech.

Well, it actually is possible. I can mock up a CTF 0XP with all of that sans JJs with 45 rounds...on a STD 265. If I wanted, I could shed armor or engine or ammo to get some JJs in. At that point, though, I would be better off pop-tarting in a Nightstar (and it actually can poptart, can also do it with a bigger engine and just Gauss).

Catten Hart, on 09 November 2017 - 09:51 PM, said:

Light Fusion Engine.

You can't, you don't have the slots. ECM resides in the same torso as one of your Gauss rifles, Stealth Armor eats up another two slots per side torso, now you only have one more slot to fill in once you add the Gauss.

Had PGI put the ECM in the CT, this would have been a much more interesting 'Mech.

[Trenchbird]

Yeah, I realized it after I typed out 'Light Fusion Engine' and before I even saw your response.

You can, however, give it an AC20+LFE(Or XLFE if you feel daring)+Stealth, or twin LB10X+twin SRM-6A.

Edited by Catten Hart, 09 November 2017 - 10:06 PM.

[kapusta11]

That's just sad. Oh well, people who defend it deserve no better.

[Scout Derek]

Yeonne Greene, on 09 November 2017 - 09:53 PM, said:

Well, it actually is possible. I can mock up a CTF 0XP with all of that sans JJs with 45 rounds...on a STD 265. If I wanted, I could shed armor or engine or ammo to get some JJs in. At that point, though, I would be better off pop-tarting in a Nightstar (and it actually can poptart, can also do it with a bigger engine and just Gauss).

I'm talking about Dual Guass. While it's entirely possible with 1 Gauss Rifle, I don't see it being that effective.

[Jackal Noble]

This thing is going to replace the dual Gauss whammy.

[Gas Guzzler]

JackalBeast, on 10 November 2017 - 12:08 AM, said:

This thing is going to replace the dual Gauss whammy.

Does it have the energy hardpoints to bring 4 ERMLs with it?

[Jackal Noble]

Gas Guzzler, on 10 November 2017 - 12:13 AM, said:

Does it have the energy hardpoints to bring 4 ERMLs with it?

Well dammit Gas. Think dual gauss, 2 er meds and an MRM 20 would be feasible?

It's the high as hell mounts with jjs more than anything. 2 Gauss, ER large and the shield arm.

[Gas Guzzler]

JackalBeast, on 10 November 2017 - 12:41 AM, said:

Well dammit Gas. Think dual gauss, 2 er meds and an MRM 20 would be feasible?

It's the high as hell mounts with jjs more than anything. 2 Gauss, ER large and the shield arm.

Eh at that point you might as well double down on jjs and poptart. I think that MRM20 build will be too heavy.