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[Vxheous]

Honeybadgers, on 28 November 2017 - 12:54 AM, said:

Oh my god you're the coolest smartest internet person ever.

I was wrong. I thought that was a game I did much better in. You beat me. Being mistaken does not mean I lied. I simply don't care. I'll go back and edit my post that you actually beat me in that game by quite a lot.

That game was also a bad example of "you being better than me" because I accidentally dropped in an LMG mist lynx as my first mech. Not exactly a big damage dealer. I did maybe 150 damage in it and then had to deal the next thousand in a scorch, at which point the game ended. Notice how you and I both only lost one mech and had the same number of kills. I'm hardly some scrub.

And yes. I still disagree that your hellbringer build is objectively better. You're like BlackhawkSC, one of those people that thinks this game is about spreadsheets and min/maxing. It isn't. This isn't WoW. A player in a mech he prefers will always beat a player in a mech he doesn't like the playstyle of. You bring more damage, I bring more utility. I can wipe NARC and supply ECM cover, counter the ECM of any lights running around our assault line, and have less chance of being detected for 2 or 3 volleys than you. you can fire more often. Can you -technically- do 10% more damage than me in a match? Yes. Does a hellbringer with 4 ERLL actually fire nonstop? no. It's an opportunistic sniper. Your argument is not only nitpicky as hell, but blindly irrelevant and doesn't actually play out like a spreadsheet says it should.

And you still never addressed that I said I was talking about quick play numbers. You were wrong and yet you jumped on that horse and rode it straight to the center of the earth.

You do realize that it also means nothing, right? I specifically said that I prefer it, not that it was better. I also said you're welcome to play the one you like. But you kept going. You're patronizing, rude, and disgustingly self righteous. No semantic yammering you want to do will change that. Also, it's kind of pathetic that you save screenshots just to try to win arguments that you might have. I sure hope you don't talk to people like that in the real world. Because your behavior online is the epitome of the poisonous little internet snake.

Next time you want to bark your opinions as if they were objective truths at someone, no matter how right you may be, remember what someone else said in that game. It doesn't matter how right you may be, if you're an ******* about it, nobody will listen.

You do realize that it also means nothing, right? You're patronizing, rude, and disgustingly self righteous. No semantic yammering you want to do will change that. Also, it's kind of pathetic that you save screenshots just to try to win arguments that you might have. I sure hope you don't talk to people like that in the real world.

I'm sure your rebuttal will be super clever and totally crush me on the internet. But this is the last effort I'm going to put into discussing with you ever again. You're not worth any more of my time. Fight well.

Well, you're the one that's being patronizing. At no point did I ever insult you, or patronized you, in game, or here on the forum. In fact, I didn't tell you to stop running your mech, I just gave you reasons why the F torso is better. I honestly don't care what mech you play, or how well or poorly you do, because it doesn't affect me. I'll let the others reading this thread judge the tone of my posts as opposed to the tone of yours.

Also, yeah, min/maxing has proven to work, by my play, by the team I play for, and by all the other top players in this game.

Honeybadgers, on 28 November 2017 - 01:14 AM, said:

I absolutely wasn't. I said "it can do 1400 damage."

He took that and ran with it, and I have no idea where the hell you came up with that. I never implied whatsoever that I was happy with 1400 in FP. That would be ridiculous.

Yeah, I'm absolutely some scrub that has no idea how to play a hellbringer. Just look how bad the 4 ERLL ECM variant is! I'm such a scrub! I TOTALLY MUST SWITCH TO THE F TORSO IF I EVER WANT TO BE SUCCESSFUL WITH IT.

Thing is, I never said you're bad, or that your build was bad. I just suggested an improvement to the build with the release of the newer torsos (everyone used to run your build as the standard 4ERLL build). I never said you or the build was bad, in game or here on the forums (re-read by posts if you don't believe me) You're the only one that's obstinate here.

Edited by Vxheous, 28 November 2017 - 01:34 AM.

[Carnyhands]

Honeybadgers, on 28 November 2017 - 12:54 AM, said:

That game was also a bad example of "you being better than me" because I accidentally dropped in an LMG mist lynx as my first mech. Not exactly a big damage dealer. I did maybe 150 damage in it and then had to deal the next thousand in a scorch, at which point the game ended. Notice how you and I both only lost one mech and had the same number of kills. I'm hardly some scrub.

He doesn't have to prove he's better than you from that game, the fact that he is [EmP] alone proves he is better than you. The top team in this game. The team that's probably going to repeat as World Champions at mech con. You are literally arguing with someone that is in the top 99.8% of all players in this game. He is better than you in every way in this game, but he never once flaunted it to your face.


https://leaderboard....%0Ahoneybadgers

The fact that Vxheous has been nice to you throughout his posts while you continue to be rude to him lends me to believe that he was in fact nice to you in game as he said, and you were the rude one there as well.

[Kaoba]

Carnyhands, on 28 November 2017 - 02:14 AM, said:

He doesn't have to prove he's better than you from that game, the fact that he is [EmP] alone proves he is better than you. The top team in this game. The team that's probably going to repeat as World Champions at mech con. You are literally arguing with someone that is in the top 99.8% of all players in this game. He is better than you in every way in this game, but he never once flaunted it to your face.


https://leaderboard....%0Ahoneybadgers

The fact that Vxheous has been nice to you throughout his posts while you continue to be rude to him lends me to believe that he was in fact nice to you in game as he said, and you were the rude one there as well.

[Kwea]

Kinski Orlawisch, on 22 November 2017 - 12:08 PM, said:

He is Clan..So 50t.....and face nice IS Mechs.....He will not get 250 MS in Scouting.

Why not? As IS I was killing things to fast, winning 4-0 and only 1 would point. We had to spam streaks just to get scores.

As clan you get to face IS mechs with structure quirks. Even on a loss you point, most of the time.

[Password1234]

Honeybadgers, on 28 November 2017 - 12:54 AM, said:

"That game was also a bad example of "you being better than me" because ..."

Youre going to have trouble finding a good example of this,
Ive played many games with against Vhx- he *is* good. not like "kinda, maybe, sorta good", but actually good. Further proof, just look at his unit tag.

Honeybadgers, on 28 November 2017 - 12:54 AM, said:

A"You're like BlackhawkSC, one of those people that thinks this game is about spreadsheets and min/maxing. It isn't. This isn't WoW. A player in a mech he prefers will always beat a player in a mech he doesn't like the playstyle of. "

Absolutely completely untrue.

Honeybadgers, on 28 November 2017 - 12:54 AM, said:

"And you still never addressed that I said I was talking about quick play numbers. You were wrong and yet you jumped on that horse and rode it straight to the center of the earth."

I really doubt you are regularly doing 1400 damage games in a HBR in QP...

Honeybadgers, on 28 November 2017 - 12:54 AM, said:

"You do realize that it also means nothing, right? I specifically said that I prefer it, not that it was better. I also said you're welcome to play the one you like. But you kept going. You're patronizing, rude, and disgustingly self righteous. No semantic yammering you want to do will change that. Also, it's kind of pathetic that you save screenshots just to try to win arguments that you might have. I sure hope you don't talk to people like that in the real world. Because your behavior online is the epitome of the poisonous little internet snake."
You do realize that it also means nothing, right? You're patronizing, rude, and disgustingly self righteous. No semantic yammering you want to do will change that. Also, it's kind of pathetic that you save screenshots just to try to win arguments that you might have. I sure hope you don't talk to people like that in the real world."

The dude is a top tier player in the games world champ team and was offering advice, freely and constructively....

Honeybadgers, on 28 November 2017 - 12:54 AM, said:

I'm sure your rebuttal will be super clever and totally crush me on the internet. But this is the last effort I'm going to put into discussing with you ever again. You're not worth any more of my time. Fight well.

Edited by Password1234, 29 November 2017 - 03:28 PM.

[Lukoi Banacek]

If HB is regularly doing 1400 in his hellby, judging by his stats, he plays alooooot of other mechs in the meantime. Must be bored from crushing everyone so regularly.

[Belkor]

I don't understand how people struggled with a 250 match score goal in invasion. I pugged and averaged above a 400 match score in invasion (from highs of 600 to lows of 300). This is even in matches where my team gets completely rolled. This event was beyond easy.

Edited by Belkor, 29 November 2017 - 06:43 PM.

[Liveish]

Wait why you chain fire any build, let alone a sniper build. That is more time in the open as a target.

[FallingAce]

Belkor, on 29 November 2017 - 06:42 PM, said:

I don't understand how people struggled with a 250 match score goal in invasion. I pugged and averaged above a 400 match score in invasion (from highs of 600 to lows of 300). This is even in matches where my team gets completely rolled. This event was beyond easy.

Because the match score system in broken just as like everything else in Faction Warfare.

Losing, doing less less than 1200 damage and dying only twice is more rewarding than winning, doing over 1800 damage and dying 3 times.

FallingAce, on 26 November 2017 - 07:50 PM, said:

Siege attack win,

1 qualifying score of 250 for the winning team

7 qualifying scores for the losing team.

1874 damage not enough to qualify.

Seems fair...

Also much easier to score 250 in scouting as clan.

Kwea, on 28 November 2017 - 09:49 PM, said:

Why not? As IS I was killing things to fast, winning 4-0 and only 1 would point. We had to spam streaks just to get scores.

As clan you get to face IS mechs with structure quirks. Even on a loss you point, most of the time.

As Clan, load up 4 streak 6's. Stop popping them off at 400m before I.S. mechs could get in their 310m range. Pick out a bushwhacker and just keep lobbing streaks. They soak a lot of damage. As I.S., Clan mechs just died to quick.

[Belkor]

FallingAce, on 01 December 2017 - 10:47 AM, said:

Because the match score system in broken just as like everything else in Faction Warfare.

Losing, doing less less than 1200 damage and dying only twice is more rewarding than winning, doing over 1800 damage and dying 3 times.

I pugged on the IS side during the event and I still say it was extremely easy to average above 400 ms. One big issue I see in your screenshot is that you and your team gen rushed. If you want to easily break the 250 ms, you must encourage team to brawl instead of gen rushing. If I couldn't get my team to brawl, I personally focused on brawling anyways. I generally got above 2k damage during my invasion matches and blew past the match score requirement. In the full course of an invasion match, 1800 damage is not all that impressive. Look at this guy for example:

Edited by Belkor, 01 December 2017 - 08:32 PM.

[Vxheous]

Belkor, on 01 December 2017 - 08:25 PM, said:

I pugged on the IS side during the event and I still say it was extremely easy to average above 400 ms. One big issue I see in your screenshot is that you and your team gen rushed. If you want to easily break the 250 ms, you must encourage team to brawl instead of gen rushing. If I couldn't get my team to brawl, I personally focused on brawling anyways. I generally got above 2k damage during my invasion matches and blew past the match score requirement. In the full course of an invasion match, 1800 damage is not all that impressive. Look at this guy for example:

Ah, the days of quad over-quirked Dragon 1N decks

[Coburn]

Belkor, on 01 December 2017 - 08:25 PM, said:

I pugged on the IS side during the event and I still say it was extremely easy to average above 400 ms. One big issue I see in your screenshot is that you and your team gen rushed. If you want to easily break the 250 ms, you must encourage team to brawl instead of gen rushing. If I couldn't get my team to brawl, I personally focused on brawling anyways. I generally got above 2k damage during my invasion matches and blew past the match score requirement. In the full course of an invasion match, 1800 damage is not all that impressive. Look at this guy for example:

Thanks dude ! That was indeed a while ago and i was using 4 dragons. I actually ran out of ammo and had to watch my team kill the last 4 mechs.

[vonJerg]

"Counter Attack" ?!?!?!?!?!!? Have not seen that mode in quite some time. 6 months or more, a lot has changed since then.