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[Exard3k]

Back to the initial question of this thread ("how are these people still in T1 matches?"):

Because otherwise we'd have some HORRID waiting times for queueing up. Also makes us feel great that we got that many damage and kills.

Edited by Exard3k, 10 December 2017 - 11:42 PM.

[Jackal Noble]

Getting worse at this game rapidly.
Hard to do well when it's 0-4 from the get.

[Jackal Noble]

Not entirely innocent tho, have done some really stupid franken blunders lately.

[Y E O N N E]

JackalBeast, on 11 December 2017 - 12:12 AM, said:

Not entirely innocent tho, have done some really stupid franken blunders lately.

My first set of matches tonight all went horribly. Got gunned down by Soy twice in a row trying to play various Blackjacks with teams that were very non-committal or just too damn slow on the uptake. Swapped to MLX since I usually rekt face in that 'Mech....more horrible misplays including missing this rando Streak Hellbringer who spoiled my surprise rear entrance. Then I got to watch Writhen just stomp all over my team as they bravely ran away.

I even got some back-sass from a team member for not calling out the coordinates of the teammates I was referring to when I said "get out of the choke-point" on comms, as if tripping over blue 'Mechs while scraping by walls with only one way out of your current spot wasn't self-f*cking-evident and you should know who you are.

Games didn't git gud until I took a brief break and then swapped to pop-tarting with my BJ-3. Then it was basically non-stop stomps going the other way.

Goodie.

Edited by Yeonne Greene, 11 December 2017 - 02:40 AM.

[Lily from animove]

Khobai, on 08 December 2017 - 04:57 PM, said:

my understanding is that tier 3 and tier 1 can play together

tier 4 and tier 5 cant play with tier 1 though

but the new rules as posted in that one patch do not allow this. so a T3 should never see a T1.

OldOrgandonor, on 09 December 2017 - 07:26 AM, said:

This.

Lock the thread.

I know for a fact that T4 and T5 are currently dropping in matches with T1's. You guys really must stop believing this "one Tier away MM" crap. It ISN'T TRUE. The gates are wide open, and have been for a very long time. That is why you're seeing what you're seeing. I think if they go back to 8 vs 8 it will help, but it's only a bandaid solution to the epidemic. And I don't think PGI has a clue how to fix the root cause (which is player exodus).

if you know this for fact then how about evidences? like take these people to forum, show their tier public and post screens form the same date of the amtchup? your "fact" is very much a rough imagination.

Edited by Lily from animove, 11 December 2017 - 03:02 AM.

[Unnatural Growth]

Except when the "safety valves" are wide open.

Like now.

How about you post the "rules from that one patch" that says T3's should never see T1's?

I'm not posting 5, or even 50 match rosters. Then it will be "well, you ONLY posted 50 match rosters, go back and post 51. And if I do this, someone will complain that I am "name and shame"-ing the poor puggles that are getting rekt.

If you can't, or aren't paying attention to the names in your own match rosters, then that's on you. It's not exactly hard to find if you bother looking. I mean, are you even PLAYING this game?

And Cathy has been posting the same thing in several threads. I've asked repeatedly, show me your source that this is MM fact, and not just what you assume.

Edited by OldOrgandonor, 11 December 2017 - 05:25 AM.

[Lily from animove]

OldOrgandonor, on 11 December 2017 - 05:24 AM, said:

Except when the "safety valves" are wide open.

Like now.

How about you post the "rules from that one patch" that says T3's should never see T1's?

I'm not posting 5, or even 50 match rosters. Then it will be "well, you ONLY posted 50 match rosters, go back and post 51. And if I do this, someone will complain that I am "name and shame"-ing the poor puggles that are getting rekt.

If you can't, or aren't paying attention to the names in your own match rosters, then that's on you. It's not exactly hard to find if you bother looking. I mean, are you even PLAYING this game?

And Cathy has been posting the same thing in several threads. I've asked repeatedly, show me your source that this is MM fact, and not just what you assume.

if you are too lazy to just find the patchnotes it's not up to me to google them for you. your "payign attention to names" is no proof for any tiers, nor what opeople tell you ingame.
you alos do not need ANY 30, 20 or 51 posts, you need exactly ONE matchup with the following conditions:

-it must be solo queue
-at leats 2 people in this scoreboard must be more than 1 tier apart form each other
-these two need their teirs shown in the forum to proof this.
-time between screen and Forum should be a s close as possible (could be they switch tiers between the game and the forum)

if you realyl cna recognize these people, you could easily proof this by these conditions. And you don't need many games to proof this, just one where it happens.

but since I am not lazy like you, heres the patchnotes


https://w.mwomercs.c...ng-restrictions

and theres all the viotal info.

People will be matched within only their own tier. After a scertain time the vents open buzt onyl for a SINGLE tier beyond your own.
So a T2 can either be tiered with T1 OR be tiered with T3, but a T3 and T1 cannot meet by these rules.

And this theory is correct until you find a clear example of at least 2 people in a match beeing more than 1 tier apart form each other.

And no one complains about name and shame, theres hundreds or thousends of screenshots of scoreboards here where no one does this. It just soudns like you bring a lot excuses to not having to deliver a true proof over your "feels like I have evidences" claims.

[sub2000]

just a couple of days ago I had matches with proton, (with and against), as I was writing before I had matches with tier 1 from the start. More of it, as of late PGI dropped MM and queue get filled by FIFO rule. During my almost 1 year of playing MWO I didn't have yet such strange matches I have last two weeks when one team (completely) is clearly tier3-4 and opponents tier 1-3. Stomps happen not because of snowball, weaker teams just get executed sometimes by 1 stronger winning trades vs. 2 or even more mechs
I am below average player, I cann't not remember when before I could stand against a group of mechs and win trade. WTF

(p.s. I look on the existence of faction, team names etc., some players names).

Edited by sub2000, 11 December 2017 - 06:38 AM.

[Lily from animove]

sub2000, on 11 December 2017 - 06:35 AM, said:

just a couple of days ago I had matches with proton, (with and against), as I was writing before I had matches with tier 1 from the start. More of it, as of late PGI dropped MM and queue get filled by FIFO rule. During my almost 1 year of playing MWO I didn't have yet such strange matches I have last two weeks when one team (completely) is clearly tier3-4 and opponents tier 1-3. Stomps happen not because of snowball, weaker teams just get executed sometimes by 1 stronger winning trades vs. 2 or even more mechs
I am below average player, I cann't not remember when before I could stand against a group of mechs and win trade. WTF

(p.s. I look on the existence of faction, team names etc., some players names).

do you mean the pilot named "Proton" because he is in NONE of the leaderboards. and this may mean his account isn't T1 at all. because it takes a LOAD of matches to get T1. But it doesn't looks like he is even playing the game in any leaderboard and therefore Tieraffecting games. Not in a quantity to matter. So what ingame Pilot name is he currently playing at all?

Don't confuse skills with Tiers becasue PSR is so badly designed it doesn't works if someon plays too many games or too less they are absolutely overrated or underrated.

Edited by Lily from animove, 11 December 2017 - 06:52 AM.

[Davegt27]

UnofficialOperator, on 08 December 2017 - 04:39 PM, said:

Even during Primetime US, how are these people getting matched into T1 matches?



This guy has a lot of matches so its not a fluke. He is literally a lifetime 30 percenter of the population. How is he not in T4 or T5 matches?

He's the definition of my previous thread https://mwomercs.com...0th-percentile/

PS: obscured identity

if your going to name and shame flipping do it right and put the names on there

[Lily from animove]

Davegt27, on 11 December 2017 - 07:15 AM, said:

if your going to name and shame flipping do it right and put the names on there

how is that even name and shame? One can go throuhg the entire seasn and find these numbers. Thats not naming and shaming, it is simply stating facts that these people (performance wise) get matched up with T1's. And it no shame having to say these are low tier players by performance. because the average MWO pilot has better stats, so someone with worse than average should not be T2 or T1. He should probably be T3 and even more be T4. And thats outside of any naming and shaming thats simply about facts and numbers and their distribution among the playerbase.

And given his stats and number of games played, we know very well how badly PSR works if those people get T2 or T1 badges.

Edited by Lily from animove, 11 December 2017 - 07:25 AM.

[Asym]

HGAK47, on 10 December 2017 - 10:42 PM, said:

In the words of Picard:
"Oh no I know Hamlet. And what he might say with irony I say with conviction.

What a piece of work is a man! How noble in reason! How infinite in faculty! In form, in moving how express and admirable! in action, how like an angel! in apprehension, how like a God?"

Ah, the extensial questioning of man's relevence: I have always strived to emulate and be the Quintessance of Dust.......

Edited by Asym, 11 December 2017 - 07:47 AM.

[Champion of Khorne Lord of Blood]

If only we just used the percentile on the jarl list as the basis of the matchmaker's tier list.

[sub2000]

Lily from animove, on 11 December 2017 - 06:50 AM, said:

do you mean the pilot named "Proton" because he is in NONE of the leaderboards. and this may mean his account isn't T1 at all. because it takes a LOAD of matches to get T1. But it doesn't looks like he is even playing the game in any leaderboard and therefore Tieraffecting games. Not in a quantity to matter. So what ingame Pilot name is he currently playing at all?

Don't confuse skills with Tiers becasue PSR is so badly designed it doesn't works if someon plays too many games or too less they are absolutely overrated or underrated.

I mean proton with emp team tag. game name is prtnz or something. That dude who streams sometimes.
Don't bulshit me.
I can easily dig at least one baradur youtube video with mine presence, since I've played with him or against him 10s of SQ QP games.

[Lily from animove]

sub2000, on 11 December 2017 - 07:53 AM, said:

I mean proton with emp team tag. game name is prtnz or something. That dude who streams sometimes.
Don't bulshit me.
I can easily dig at least one baradur youtube video with mine presence, since I've played with him or against him 10s of SQ QP games.

yes then pls bring this video, it would be the required evidence.

if you mean
[color=#B27204]prtNspz[/color]


Than this account is a confirmed t1 account of him.

Edited by Lily from animove, 11 December 2017 - 08:03 AM.

[Davegt27]

Lily from animove, on 11 December 2017 - 07:22 AM, said:

how is that even name and shame? One can go throuhg the entire seasn and find these numbers. Thats not naming and shaming, it is simply stating facts that these people (performance wise) get matched up with T1's. And it no shame having to say these are low tier players by performance. because the average MWO pilot has better stats, so someone with worse than average should not be T2 or T1. He should probably be T3 and even more be T4. And thats outside of any naming and shaming thats simply about facts and numbers and their distribution among the playerbase.

And given his stats and number of games played, we know very well how badly PSR works if those people get T2 or T1 badges.

your saying opinion as fact

the whole thread is in the OP opinion these players should not be tier 1
well I have news for you the players don't decide what tier they go in

PGI does

why not send an e-mail to PGI
I am the first to admit I should not be in tier 1
in fact when this thing started I cried that I should not be in tier 3

did PGI listen --nope
so here we are (us low tier scum) being called out for our low numbers

well I am calling BS

PGI designed the game why not complain to them

[DAYLEET]

There has been no meaningful match making since a year and a half now. Why is this thread even existing? PGI cares more about giving everyone a drop each minute or 2 rather than an even match(i understand that from a business point of view). We are pretty much back at square one. All we need is for groups to come back in solo and we will have come full circle.

Edited by DAYLEET, 11 December 2017 - 08:09 AM.

[sub2000]

Dakota1000, on 11 December 2017 - 07:52 AM, said:

If only we just used the percentile on the jarl list as the basis of the matchmaker's tier list.

the list mixes SQ and GQ games. In it's present form (mixing queues, mech classes-values) it's pretty useless. Compare EBJ with CPLT. And I am not talking about load outs even.

[Lily from animove]

Davegt27, on 11 December 2017 - 08:03 AM, said:

your saying opinion as fact

the whole thread is in the OP opinion these players should not be tier 1
well I have news for you the players don't decide what tier they go in

PGI does

why not send an e-mail to PGI
I am the first to admit I should not be in tier 1
in fact when this thing started I cried that I should not be in tier 3

did PGI listen --nope
so here we are (us low tier scum) being called out for our low numbers

well I am calling BS

PGI designed the game why not complain to them

because we discussed here in the forum and gave enough feedback to PGI about their broken PSR and they already noticed and admitted that, why would we need further emails? Bringing these threads up is just about to make PGI know this issues gets more and more releveant as time goes by because even more lower skilled people enter T1 basically breaking the entire concept of their Tier system even more.

Edited by Lily from animove, 11 December 2017 - 08:57 AM.

[Mole]

Davegt27, on 11 December 2017 - 07:15 AM, said:

if your going to name and shame flipping do it right and put the names on there

I'm pretty sure he removed the names specifically to avoid name & shaming anyone. Good grief.