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[Bandilly]

Yup gonna be EON fights someone take 4. I understand why they need those breaks, those are grueling matches and they're playing a lot of them.

[Asym]

OK, I'm not a "gamer" just a retired old horse soldier............what a freaking waste of time. the people that watched with me gave up after the first match and turned basketball on. Less than professional... Several forum pundits could have done better and that is not a joke; I've watched you'all play. I've seen better tactics in PUG matches.

I DO NOT ever want to hear about air strikes from this forum ever again as a bad thing because the best of our best went off the rails. You can't have two standards. And Streaks !

If this is our BEST............well, I never want to hear another "potato" comment ever again. No real tactics. No real drop deck innovation. Same old-same old. Status quo. The same maps because they are "linear" and "game-able".....no more..... Finals shouyld be on virgin maps that have NOT BEEN PLAYED..... You want to claim the best, well, lets see who can crow on a virgin map......

Sorry, so disappointed. Such a waste of time and everything they did refutes everything I've read in this forum for months..... We can't live in two unique and completely seperate worlds and survive........

[Jackal Noble]

Asym, on 09 December 2017 - 08:28 PM, said:

OK, I'm not a "gamer" just a retired old horse soldier............what a freaking waste of time. the people that watched with me gave up after the first match and turned basketball on. Less than professional... Several forum pundits could have done better and that is not a joke; I've watched you'all play. I've seen better tactics in PUG matches.

I DO NOT ever want to hear about air strikes from this forum ever again as a bad thing because the best of our best went off the rails. You can't have two standards. And Streaks !

If this is our BEST............well, I never want to hear another "potato" comment ever again. No real tactics. No real drop deck innovation. Same old-same old. Status quo. The same maps because they are "linear" and "game-able".....no more..... Finals shouyld be on virgin maps that have NOT BEEN PLAYED..... You want to claim the best, well, lets see who can crow on a virgin map......

Sorry, so disappointed. Such a waste of time and everything they did refutes everything I've read in this forum for months..... We can't live in two unique and completely seperate worlds and survive........

Thanks for that Asym

[CFC Conky]

Asym, on 09 December 2017 - 08:28 PM, said:

OK, I'm not a "gamer" just a retired old horse soldier............what a freaking waste of time. the people that watched with me gave up after the first match and turned basketball on. Less than professional... Several forum pundits could have done better and that is not a joke; I've watched you'all play. I've seen better tactics in PUG matches.

I DO NOT ever want to hear about air strikes from this forum ever again as a bad thing because the best of our best went off the rails. You can't have two standards. And Streaks !

If this is our BEST............well, I never want to hear another "potato" comment ever again. No real tactics. No real drop deck innovation. Same old-same old. Status quo. The same maps because they are "linear" and "game-able".....no more..... Finals shouyld be on virgin maps that have NOT BEEN PLAYED..... You want to claim the best, well, lets see who can crow on a virgin map......

Sorry, so disappointed. Such a waste of time and everything they did refutes everything I've read in this forum for months..... We can't live in two unique and completely seperate worlds and survive........

Hi Asym,

Yeah, I think it’s dumb to let the players choose the map by elimination, you’re not picking a jury after all. I think it would be more entertaining if the maps and game modes were chosen at random. This would force both teams to think on their feet.

I imagine you taught the value of adapting to unexpected situations at NTC...

Good hunting,
CFC Conky

[Brain Cancer]

Yeonne Greene, on 09 December 2017 - 06:06 PM, said:

Lock-on missiles will and should always suck in a real time shooter precisely because they lock on. They are the poster-child of crutch weapon in any game.

I love how a multi-second fire delay and low velocity with multiple hard counters is a "crutch weapon".

Unless you mean they're crippled versus the usual pokefest. Which they are, since they can't punish or even frequently hit in a game where people are doing the hilltop two-step like it's the Country Music Awards.

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The heat does matter. What you don't necessarily see is that most comp 'Mechs are running undergunned versions of builds you see a lot of in QP specifically so that they reduce the heat. If heat did things like slow 'Mechs down, you'd just see even more static game-play since firing on the move is too risky. You'd see less combustible weapons used for the same reason. Being able to ride that heat curve is just too important.

Honestly, what might save these games is reducing the number of big guns.

8v8. One assault, one heavy, 2 mediums, four lights.

Of course, the lack of destructible terrain really shows because the best armor is the infinite-damage terrain features that simply soak up shot after shot harmlessly.

[MischiefSC]

Honestly we just need to have a yearly 'pitch in to buy Emp some mech packs and gaming hardware' event, followed by a contest for everyone ELSE to see who's the best performers among non-Emp teams.

[The Lighthouse]

Asym, on 09 December 2017 - 08:28 PM, said:

OK, I'm not a "gamer" just a retired old horse soldier............what a freaking waste of time. the people that watched with me gave up after the first match and turned basketball on. Less than professional... Several forum pundits could have done better and that is not a joke; I've watched you'all play. I've seen better tactics in PUG matches.

I DO NOT ever want to hear about air strikes from this forum ever again as a bad thing because the best of our best went off the rails. You can't have two standards. And Streaks !

If this is our BEST............well, I never want to hear another "potato" comment ever again. No real tactics. No real drop deck innovation. Same old-same old. Status quo. The same maps because they are "linear" and "game-able".....no more..... Finals shouyld be on virgin maps that have NOT BEEN PLAYED..... You want to claim the best, well, lets see who can crow on a virgin map......

Sorry, so disappointed. Such a waste of time and everything they did refutes everything I've read in this forum for months..... We can't live in two unique and completely seperate worlds and survive........

Well, people want to win so people play "safe".

To be honest cycling of Canyon and Desert was over the top until we got two games on Polar.

And I have to agree with Asym. Only even remotely entertaining aspect of this whole tourney was Dragon 5N from EMP.

[Jackal Noble]

MischiefSC, on 09 December 2017 - 08:41 PM, said:

Honestly we just need to have a yearly 'pitch in to buy Emp some mech packs and gaming hardware' event, followed by a contest for everyone ELSE to see who's the best performers among non-Emp teams.

Like Kcom? Oh wait.

[Brain Cancer]

MischiefSC, on 09 December 2017 - 08:41 PM, said:

Honestly we just need to have a yearly 'pitch in to buy Emp some mech packs and gaming hardware' event, followed by a contest for everyone ELSE to see who's the best performers among non-Emp teams.

You could always ban the winners from the next year's tournament, I suppose. The players, that is. Otherwise, new accounts, same ol' flavor.

The Lighthouse, on 09 December 2017 - 08:46 PM, said:

And I have to agree with Asym. Only even remotely entertaining aspect of this whole tourney was Dragon 5N from EMP.

Because you know you think you've got your opponents by the short hairs when you can just run something like that for the lulz while stomping everyone handily. I think self-inflicted airstrikes did more damage to EmP than they took in most games.

Edited by Brain Cancer, 09 December 2017 - 08:54 PM.

[Y E O N N E]

Brain Cancer, on 09 December 2017 - 08:39 PM, said:

I love how a multi-second fire delay and low velocity with multiple hard counters is a "crutch weapon".

Unless you mean they're crippled versus the usual pokefest. Which they are, since they can't punish or even frequently hit in a game where people are doing the hilltop two-step like it's the Country Music Awards.

I'm not talking about the current implementation. The current implementation is what stops it from being a crutch weapon, and that's good.

[Jackal Noble]

Holy Cow! what an upset. EON won the first round on Tourmaline with a great upset. 8-3

Round 2 is on.... Polar. Definitely taking some crazy pills.

[Brain Cancer]

Yeonne Greene, on 09 December 2017 - 09:12 PM, said:

I'm not talking about the current implementation. The current implementation is what stops it from being a crutch weapon, and that's good.

The current implementation stops it from being any kind of counter whatsoever to poke-a-robot. A weapon that literally doesn't exist in the meta as an effective weapon system. A weapon that pays for it's guided capacity by being stopped by rocks and whatever other of the multiple counters that exist by simply playing the game sensibly.

FFS, we just saw someone doing a UAC/2 build in a Dragon and winning the whole thing. And a bloody Streak boat in the finals. You will never, ever see an LRM boat, or even LRMs used with a hope of success, in comp play at the level where nobody messes around. Because they're straight up underpowered, overcountered, and perform no useful function that cannot be done better by another weapon at skilled levels of play.

No weapon should be useless at the top. If they are, the weapon is improperly statted for it's job. If it has no useful job, it requires one or the developers have failed at their job- making as much of the game's gear useful for play (and at this point, the single heat sink is probably the only one that deserves uselessness).

[Bombast]

JackalBeast, on 09 December 2017 - 09:35 PM, said:

Holy Cow! what an upset. EON won the first round on Tourmaline with a great upset. 8-3

EMP is just screwing around, I think.

Good luck to EON, though.

[Jackal Noble]

Bombast, on 09 December 2017 - 09:37 PM, said:

EMP is just screwing around, I think.

Good luck to EON, though.

Gotta make it a good show, for sure.

[Jackal Noble]

Bombast, on 09 December 2017 - 09:37 PM, said:

EMP is just screwing around, I think.

Good luck to EON, though.

except that Commando just showed it's value on Polar. my god those things are like little rats.

or ankle-biters

[Bombast]

JackalBeast, on 09 December 2017 - 09:47 PM, said:

except that Commando just showed it's value on Polar. my god those things are like little rats.

or ankle-biters

Seems like the Dragon and Commando are due for a nerf.

[The Lighthouse]

Well, that Commando pretty much cleaned the house. Now this may be the highlight.

[Y E O N N E]

JackalBeast, on 09 December 2017 - 09:47 PM, said:

except that Commando just showed it's value on Polar. my god those things are like little rats.

or ankle-biters

TBQH, any SRM light could have secured the kills just as easily. The reason for the Commando was really to quickly get the caps with dat speed.

[Jackal Noble]

Bombast, on 09 December 2017 - 09:50 PM, said:

Seems like the Dragon and Commando are due for a nerf.

I hate commandos. Sounds good to me

So the only real weakness observed to the Commando is Air-Strikes.

Bring back Air Strikes!!!

[Bulletsponge0]

CFC Conky, on 09 December 2017 - 08:38 PM, said:

Hi Asym,

Yeah, I think it’s dumb to let the players choose the map by elimination, you’re not picking a jury after all. I think it would be more entertaining if the maps and game modes were chosen at random. This would force both teams to think on their feet.

I imagine you taught the value of adapting to unexpected situations at NTC...

Good hunting,
CFC Conky

well thanks.... there is an acronym I NEVER wanted to hear again