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[MischiefSC]

JackalBeast, on 26 December 2017 - 08:19 PM, said:

K cool.
So first we do bush vs huntsman, go ahead and settle that right quick.
Then just for shits and giggles we can go bush vs stormcrow.
Heavy, I'll take a Warhammer and a marauder maybe Orion.
Assault - Zeus or Anni
Light - commando, jav
Medium again for lulz - Assassin vs Arctic Wolf or Viper.

Okay. That sounds like a plan. For tonnage I never really run a Scrow but I have them. Usually better putting the 5 tons elsewhere, HBK and Huntsman do it better.

Assassin vs Viper is pretty one sided - viper is terrible, assassin best IS medium. Howevee that is fair, want to keep it good for tonnage.

[The Lighthouse]

Viper and Arctic Wolf are comparable to Cicada, and to be honest I think even Cicada is better than those two.

[r4zen]

Grus, on 26 December 2017 - 05:31 PM, said:

(words)

And I'll call out r4zen all I want. If you don't like it fine, but that's our beef. Don't put your nose in it.

And that's all you ever do - run your mouth in the forums. Put up or shut up. Every time I've offered to 1v1 to settle it you've run away with some lame excuse.

I'll give you another chance. Whoever loses deletes their account.

[Champion of Khorne Lord of Blood]

JackalBeast, on 26 December 2017 - 08:19 PM, said:

K cool.
So first we do bush vs huntsman, go ahead and settle that right quick.
Then just for shits and giggles we can go bush vs stormcrow.
Heavy, I'll take a Warhammer and a marauder maybe Orion.
Assault - Zeus or Anni
Light - commando, jav
Medium again for lulz - Assassin vs Arctic Wolf or Viper.

>not picking Victors, Wolfhounds, Roughnecks, Archers, Kintaros, or Highlanders.

Do you even IS?


Also, I've been tied up in like a 4 hour long Supreme Commander FA match with some friends, was epic. I'd like to do some 1v1s at some point too, but I'll have to do it tomorrow. As you said though, the game's balance isn't really based on 1v1s, but I think it'll be fun to do. The RLs in my deadside also serve as a shield for my main side. when I shield by turning 90 degrees that RL pod blocks the SRM pod on the other side from being seen so you have no way to shoot it if I'm deadsiding.

Edited by Dakota1000, 27 December 2017 - 12:55 AM.

[Jackal Noble]

Dakota1000, on 27 December 2017 - 12:46 AM, said:

>not picking Victors, Wolfhounds, Roughnecks, Archers, Kintaros, or Highlanders.

Do you even IS?


Also, I've been tied up in like a 4 hour long Supreme Commander FA match with some friends, was epic. I'd like to do some 1v1s at some point too, but I'll have to do it tomorrow. As you said though, the game's balance isn't really based on 1v1s, but I think it'll be fun to do. The RLs in my deadside also serve as a shield for my main side. when I shield by turning 90 degrees that RL pod blocks the SRM pod on the other side from being seen so you have no way to shoot it if I'm deadsiding.

I love my roughnecks, but the whammy is powerful too. Oh ya totally forgot, I want to do an Archer vs linebacker match-up. Surprising enough I don't own the wolfhound, just Urbie, Osiris, Panther, Jenner, Spider, and Javelin. My Kintaros I have all rigged up for mrms and or srms, and nuteched but just haven't dropped in them enough to be comfy TBH. I think they are solid just not for sure.

[MischiefSC]

1 v 1 is a very different beast and doesn't represent balance very well, but it's good practice.

[Jackal Noble]

MischiefSC, on 27 December 2017 - 07:04 AM, said:

1 v 1 is a very different beast and doesn't represent balance very well, but it's good practice.

And it does have a level of merit. I would venture to say that it absolutely has value in terms of balance.

[MischiefSC]

JackalBeast, on 27 December 2017 - 07:10 AM, said:

And it does have a level of merit. I would venture to say that it absolutely has value in terms of balance.

1 v 1 is decided more by the map than anything. Steiner Colluseum plays way different than a regular map. Crankiness is way more useful without focused fire. For example a Bushie is way stronger in 1 v 1 than 4 v 4. Conversely with a regular map a longer range mech can kite forever - a laservomit HBK could kite and leg a Bushie easily because there's nobody else to worry about.

Best use for 1 v 1 is testing brawler builds and learning good habits like picking a specific torso and shielding legs.

[Snazzy Dragon]

Good thing we prevented the troll from reaching critical mass.. right?


inb4 more IS nerfs

[Mcgral18]

Dakota1000, on 26 December 2017 - 06:02 PM, said:

In the 1v1 he solely attempted to leg me. The Bushwacker easily was capable of ripping the weak legs off the Nova or taking its time by ripping off those huge side torsos, or just deciding to be sloppy and go for CT. Nova has no chance.

Note that El Bandito is top 99% of players compared to me being top 95%. So, he's a very good pilot.

Using a bad brawling build was his issue

10 HSL and your given choice of MGs is what you're supposed to do
Terrible for the PUG LIFE, but a leg ripper like few others.

Snazzy Dragon, on 27 December 2017 - 08:27 AM, said:

Good thing we prevented the troll from reaching critical mass.. right?


inb4 more IS nerfs

It's the other Clam Apologists who've kept it going

They'll never stop, however.

[Humpday]

Wait whats happening? 1v1s? I want to play!

[r4zen]

Did this just turn into a Solaris teaser/hype post?

[MischiefSC]

Mcgral18, on 27 December 2017 - 08:31 AM, said:

Using a bad brawling build was his issue

10 HSL and your given choice of MGs is what you're supposed to do
Terrible for the PUG LIFE, but a leg ripper like few others.




It's the other Clam Apologists who've kept it going

They'll never stop, however.

I've done the HSL HMG one. You need to pogo a lot and it's very luck based. You can't win on legs because you can't outrange him after he's legged. However you absolutely can pull a leg in 1 burn and 2 seconds of HMGs.

You're better off pulling the LT. I can do it consistently with a 2 HLL, 2cerml HBK IIC. You just need to start at 430+m so you can get 2 burns in before he's got time for a second shot inside 300m. However the big LT ST missile pod isnt hard to hit if you're looking for it.

It's like the Cyclopses head. When you know what you're looking for suddenly it's a big target. Bushie legs are not significantly squished than ST and splatWhacker is loaded left side, or it's probably XL.

[MischiefSC]

r4zen, on 27 December 2017 - 09:05 AM, said:

Did this just turn into a Solaris teaser/hype post?

Only in as much as pointing out that Solaris will be a mess. Balance is horrible and even a moderate skill gap becomes like a 90/10 win/loss gsp.

[Jay Leon Hart]

Dakota1000, on 26 December 2017 - 05:46 PM, said:

Then at extreme range nothing touches the Battlemaster 1g with 6 ERLLs. Supernova comes close, but the hardpoint locations just lead to it exposing a whole lot more than the Battlemaster and generating *way* more heat if they go with 3x3 firing the CERLLs so that they can actually hit the enemy with all their lasers before he just peeks back.mechs.

Just smashing together a few builds at the mo.

6 ERLL BLR-1G vs;
5 ERLL Gargoyle
5 ERLL Timber Wolf
5 ERLL Nova Cat
5 ERLL Hellbringer

54 damage (IS) vs 55 damage (Clan)

Will edit when done, may or may not bother with skill tree this time.

[Edit]
BLR-1G
GAR-Prime
TBR-A
NCT-Prime
HBR-VI

BLR Skill Tree
GAR Skill Tree
TBR / NCT / HBR Skill Tree

BLR vs GAR @1,000m
BLR vs TBR @1,000m
BLR vs NCT @1,000m
BLR vs HBR @1,000m

Yes, mostly for fun.
HBR & NCT can match the BLR for range.
HBR can match BLR for mounts.
NCT can out sustain the BLR.
[/Edit]

Edited by Jay Leon Hart, 27 December 2017 - 10:27 AM.

[Grus]

r4zen, on 26 December 2017 - 09:48 PM, said:

And that's all you ever do - run your mouth in the forums. Put up or shut up. Every time I've offered to 1v1 to settle it you've run away with some lame excuse.

I'll give you another chance. Whoever loses deletes their account.

why would I want you to delete your account? That would mean I won't be able to kill you over and over again.

I don't need to duel you because I KNOW I'm better than you. Every game all you do is sit back and use liberal use of pug armor to pad your stats. You wait for someone with high alpha to blast a mech and you stand right behind them preventing them to back up after a poke and once they are dead you move up and take the kill. Over and over I see you do this, That is why you arnt worth my time in a 1v1.

[humpday alt]

Grus, on 27 December 2017 - 10:15 AM, said:

why would I want you to delete your account? That would mean I won't be able to kill you over and over again.

I don't need to duel you because I KNOW I'm better than you. Every game all you do is sit back and use liberal use of pug armor to pad your stats. You wait for someone with high alpha to blast a mech and you stand right behind them preventing them to back up after a poke and once they are dead you move up and take the kill. Over and over I see you do this, That is why you arnt worth my time in a 1v1.

Sounds like a cop-out bud.
If you're going to smash him, smash, it should take what ...2 mintues at most?

Put up or shut up.
The dude outright said, you'd find an excuse not to fight...and here you are...

Bring the noise!

[Jackal Noble]

Jay Leon Hart, on 27 December 2017 - 09:44 AM, said:

Just smashing together a few builds at the mo.

6 ERLL BLR-1G vs;
5 ERLL Gargoyle
5 ERLL Timber Wolf
5 ERLL Nova Cat
5 ERLL Hellbringer

54 damage (IS) vs 55 damage (Clan)

Will edit when done, may or may not bother with skill tree this time.

I'd say the 5 ERLL Gargles is the closest viable comparison, next to the Nova Cat, despite its obvious fragility/ massive side torsos it is built to boat DHS. Weird that it carries 26-28 (depending on build) and still runs pretty hot. With the recent CERLL changes, that build is probably more viable on the gargles due to armor and mobility. It's just not that enjoyable on the ncat anymore TBH.
Besides, all those are nil. One Battle master to rule them all.

[Jackal Noble]

Mcgral18, on 27 December 2017 - 08:31 AM, said:

Using a bad brawling build was his issue

10 HSL and your given choice of MGs is what you're supposed to do
Terrible for the PUG LIFE, but a leg ripper like few others.




It's the other Clam Apologists who've kept it going

They'll never stop, however.

Hey aren't you supposed to be in the basement of HPG the last one alive and in a ECM MadIIC-D sniper build complaining about how everyone on your team probably didn't even score 200? I think you're late!

[The Lighthouse]

....Do you guys seriously think this guy would actually accept 1v1?