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[Dago Red]

Armored Yokai, on 29 December 2017 - 11:43 AM, said:

That's still suicide.

"Willfully or repeatedly self-destructing one’s ‘Mech, either by overheating, going out-of-bounds, or committing some other form of suicide or intending to cause abnormally early death."

Ok that's some straight up BS and you know it. As long as that overheat is the result of sending one last middle fingers worth of damage into an enemy then it's legit by 95% of peoples standards and well within the rules of fair play.

Especially when the next enemy salvo is 100% going to finish you so there's no "abnormally early" about it.

Edited by Dago Red, 29 December 2017 - 11:48 AM.

[ANOM O MECH]

Khobai, on 29 December 2017 - 01:41 AM, said:

yeah and 2-3 years later, putting up a good fight you have no chance of ever winning, for a dumpster handout has gotten really old.

pugs are treated like sh*t in FP. its a wonder they dont eject every game.

I hope more pugs start mass ejecting in protest. Its great. Its exactly what they need to do to get PGI's attention. Because when no one is having fun PGI might finally fix it.

You can continue to justify and excuse poor behaviour all you like, it will never make it ok.

You are actually violating the CoC and ToS if you encourage others to break or violate these rules (don't worry I am not the reporting type other than racism or homophobia).

Despite pretty much everyone wanting PGI to fix and pay attention to CW, it really looks like it is going to be Solaris that gets all the development for now.

I like the guys over at MS especially El Bandito, and Kwea. Both of them come hang out with BCMC and we welcome them.

I said that because it is very possible to beat MS pugging it out. Not all of their current teams are A list yet and they are actively recruiting and getting new guys all of the time.

Finally if you are dropping in CW you should already be aware that there is no match maker and that organised units are in there playing. So a player has entered at their own risk already, and have zero legitimate excuse for this behaviour. It happened a lot last year around this time against EVIL and PGI seemed to punish folks for doing it, as it became much less common other than one or two idiots.

[r4zen]

Armored Yokai, on 29 December 2017 - 11:43 AM, said:

That's still suicide. theres been occasions where they aren't using laservomit or high heat builds and still torsotwist firing into nothing when around 2-3 people are on the person

"Willfully or repeatedly self-destructing one’s ‘Mech, either by overheating, going out-of-bounds, or committing some other form of suicide or intending to cause abnormally early death."

If you're gonna be a barracks lawyer, I present exhibit B:

"abnormally early death"

In close combat with multiple mechs on you, I would say the 1-2 second difference between death by enemy mech vs. maybe dying to overheat to get an extra alpha off isn't that "abnormal"

[KingCobra]

tker 669, on 29 December 2017 - 11:46 AM, said:

You can continue to justify and excuse poor behaviour all you like, it will never make it ok.

You are actually violating the CoC and ToS if you encourage others to break or violate these rules (don't worry I am not the reporting type other than racism or homophobia).

Despite pretty much everyone wanting PGI to fix and pay attention to CW, it really looks like it is going to be Solaris that gets all the development for now.

I like the guys over at MS especially El Bandito, and Kwea. Both of them come hang out with BCMC and we welcome them.

I said that because it is very possible to beat MS pugging it out. Not all of their current teams are A list yet and they are actively recruiting and getting new guys all of the time.

Finally if you are dropping in CW you should already be aware that there is no match maker and that organised units are in there playing. So a player has entered at their own risk already, and have zero legitimate excuse for this behaviour. It happened a lot last year around this time against EVIL and PGI seemed to punish folks for doing it, as it became much less common other than one or two idiots.

Total BS here you know dang well why solo/pugs/casuals play FP at all

#1 mechbays you cant get them in QP for rewards.
#2 QP gets boring playing day in and day out players want a break from QP so they try CW/FP.
#3 Playable Battle time if a solo/pug/casual player is lucky and does not drop against a 12 man organized team it is quite fun and they get better playing time and experience compared to QP.

There are more reasons solo/pug/casual players try CW/FP but I think these are the main 3.

Edited by KingCobra, 29 December 2017 - 11:55 AM.

[Armored Yokai]

Dago Red, on 29 December 2017 - 11:46 AM, said:

Ok that's some straight up BS and you don't know it. As long as that overheat is the result of sending one last middle fingers worth of damage into an enemy then it's legit by 95% of peoples standards and well within the rules of fair play.

(Willfully or repeatedly self-destructing one’s ‘Mech)
you are blowing yourself up intentionally while trying to deal the most damage right? it's still intentional because you are
still willfully clicking override and going way above the heat bar and you know you can't win so you just blow yourself up instead of trying to keep the over heat to a minimum and run around to combat the person.

r4zen, on 29 December 2017 - 11:49 AM, said:

"abnormally early death"

it isn't abnormal to do that but it's still suicide, it also includes "or intending to cause"
so it's really just another inclusion for the option.

[Dago Red]

Armored Yokai, on 29 December 2017 - 12:02 PM, said:

(Willfully or repeatedly self-destructing one’s ‘Mech)
you are blowing yourself up intentionally while trying to deal the most damage right? it's still intentional because you are
still willfully clicking override and going way above the heat bar and you know you can't win so you just blow yourself up instead of trying to keep the over heat to a minimum and run around to combat the person.




it isn't abnormal to do that but it's still suicide, it also includes "or intending to cause"
so it's really just another inclusion for the option.

You have neither the heart of a warrior nor the unadulterated balls of a drunken fool.

If this were another franchise your words would bring dishonor upon your house and empire.

Edited by Dago Red, 29 December 2017 - 12:11 PM.

[Jman5]

People who eject, suicide, or disconnect when they're losing are a bunch of pathetic sore losers.

Anyway, it's important to be honest with yourself about what you value and find fun doing. If having well executed wins is important for you, then you need to align your playstyle to match that. Surround yourself with talented players who can support your goal of winning as many games as possible.

If maximizing the number of fair fights is important to you then again you need to make an honest assessment of the typical competition and adjust your team accordingly. If you don't like the idea of keeping your group small, then maybe you should instead play with funny dropdecks and try unconventional strategies.

If maximizing the number of hard fights is important, then you need to pare down even further.

There is no right or wrong thing to value here. MS isn't wrong for wanting to drop in big organized groups. Solo droppers aren't wrong for wanting to drop solo. The frustration comes when these people are not being honest with their values and playing in a style that conflicts with it.

Personally, I value games where it feels like my efforts are making a difference. Even if that difference is just making the loss a little less lopsided. The thing that demotivates me more than anything is being part of a team that steamrolls so hard that I could have just AFK'd at my spawn and still won.

Edited by Jman5, 29 December 2017 - 12:13 PM.

[ANOM O MECH]

TWIAFU, on 29 December 2017 - 04:52 AM, said:

Hope they do too and also get reported for it.

Maybe that will keep them in the shallow end with water wings.

Those evil groups in the group queue, we have to end that, because those that cannot group are 'special' are there is no place for anyone, anywhere, that is not also 'special'.

I hope people listen to this tool, and pugs (especially those in here actually advocating for people to violate the CoC and ToS) start ejecting en mass.

I also hope that those reporting check the names against the people saying it's ok to do if you are not going to win.

It would be better for every mode of this game and these forums if we could get rid of those players/people who think they should be able to pick and choose what rules they follow when it suits them.

Really tired of all the threads by complaining and whining imbeciles who think it's ok to act like a four year old when you don't get your way.

Really tired of all the folks complaining about organisation in a team game and especially a mode focused on teamwork.

[Armored Yokai]

Dago Red, on 29 December 2017 - 12:08 PM, said:

You have neither the heart of a warrior nor the unadulterated balls of a drunken fool.

If this were another franchise your words would bring dishonor upon your house and empire.

that's because i'm the ultra alpha king god player!

[ANOM O MECH]

Kroete, on 29 December 2017 - 04:58 AM, said:

That would happen with a cw-solo-queue.
Dont know why lots of groupplayers dont want it?

Some don't want it because it can be hard to get a full twelve man going at times.

Some don't want it because they enjoy pugging alone as well as playing with their unit.

Some don't want it because they are diehard players who pug it in CW all of the time and aren't in a unit.

Some don't want it because of what happened last time.

Some don't want it because of fear of population levels.

Likely a lot of people have more than one of the above reasons as well as other ones not listed.

[JediPanther]

Spawn camping is the number one reason I quit fw years ago. I'd suicide too if I knew the enemy was just going to do that lame *** crap. Denying some one the ability to fight back in a shooting game where shooting each other is the sole purpose of the game is just an ******* move. No wonder I play mainly single player games and swtor where pvp is an option.

[ANOM O MECH]

The6thMessenger, on 29 December 2017 - 05:11 AM, said:

Sure. Of course, I agree.

But the way i see it, if want to be on the same buckets, that's what you're going to see, you're going to see [Redacted] like this till people are actually fighting people they have a chance, guys on their level, as opposed of just immenent roflstomps and spawn camps that are frustrating and aren't fun, and that is because we don't have separate buckets.

As sad as it is, that's the logical conclusion of what you want, you shouldn't complain.

Nope.

When a player presses that launch button, he does so under the understanding that he is to abide by the ToS and CoC.

Any time someone viotates these, it is on them entirely.

PGI does and will punish people for violating these conditions and rightfully so.

The logic that is missing here, is knowing what you could face going in and being a baby about it when it happens.

Logically there will be people who misbehave, but more logic can be applied by punishing or removing them from the game.

Fox the Apprentice, on 29 December 2017 - 05:16 AM, said:

Yes! IFF PGI never puts event rewards in FP ever again. Otherwise, the people that need that reward (read: not (MS) ) will find a way in, and not want to be spawn-camped by a team that only cares about the code of conduct when it's the OTHER team breaking it.

Don't spawn-camp. The mass ejections are a reaction to being spawn-camped. Both sides were in the wrong here.

There is zero in the ToS or CoC about spawn camping. Nothing.

It is not a wrong.

Being better or more organised is not wrong.

It is insane that this has to be explained.

Edited by draiocht, 29 December 2017 - 10:16 PM.
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[Fae Puka]

and what those players did was selfish, it is not to be commended and not the least bit because of the stupid COC, but exactly because they all collectively decided to **** the one guy on their team that had a pair of balls and damned him to be mauled by a pack of hungry wolves with not
one..... single...... friend...... to...... help...... him........

and that's whats wrong with CW.

Edited by Col Jaime Wolf, Today, 12:12 PM.[/color]

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Was there anything to stop any of your team from offering 1:1 combat to recognise that stalwart guy's commitment to fighting it out to the bitter end . . . ?

You had the higher ground and threw it away for assists etc.

Again, lead by example and people will follow.

Edited by MummyPig, 29 December 2017 - 12:25 PM.

[Unnatural Growth]

Col Jaime Wolf, on 29 December 2017 - 12:09 PM, said:

and what those players did was selfish, it is not to be commended and not the least bit because of the stupid COC, but exactly because they all collectively decided to **** the one guy on their team that had a pair of balls and damned him to be mauled by a pack of hungry wolves with not
one..... single...... friend...... to...... help...... him........

and that's whats wrong with CW.

Now I'm just curious,

When you guys decided to spawn camp, and shoot every. single. mech. as it came out of the drop ship and touched the ground,

You gave a special pass to that one, brave, mechwarrior named BUCKET OF JOY, and let him actually get out of the drop zone, and move into a position to actually, I don't know, FIRE HIS WEAPONS, before you shot him to pieces, 12 vs. 1?

Right?

Because this is really all about CoC, and Sportsmanship, and Honor, and whatever?

I mean you gave 'ol Bucket a fighting chance, right?

Right.

[Dee Eight]

El Bandito, on 29 December 2017 - 06:56 AM, said:

Now you are just trolling. I see no reason to further reply to you.

Didn't you say you were done replying to him 2 pages ago ? Make up your mind.

[Fae Puka]

Col Jaime Wolf, on 29 December 2017 - 12:33 PM, said:

I wasn't in this match, im just commenting on this thread.

from my experience its not that there aren't people in the group that don't want to 1v1 (almost always is someone that wants to 1v1 the person zellbrigen style)

its that unless the group has very strict discipline, and the drop caller specifically says "let them 1v1 and NO one interfere" the hunger takes over and it just because a slaughter fest. also if you have rando's (which does happen we don't always drop as 12 mans) alot of time the rando pickup pugs wont listen at all and even will try to steal the kill or troll the poor guy trying to 1v1.

basically if you see a full 12 man with all the same unit tags and they say they will honor the 1v1 you do have a good chance if their caller is the one saying they will give you a 1v1 but otherwise its not very likely.

truly a caller will almost certainly have to tell his team to SHOOT anyone that interferes if there is even one or two random pugs in the group.

Sorry, had missed the fact you were not in the drop, no offense intended . . .

[Champion of Khorne Lord of Blood]

OldOrgandonor, on 29 December 2017 - 12:34 PM, said:

Now I'm just curious,

When you guys decided to spawn camp, and shoot every. single. mech. as it came out of the drop ship and touched the ground,

You gave a special pass to that one, brave, mechwarrior named BUCKET OF JOY, and let him actually get out of the drop zone, and move into a position to actually, I don't know, FIRE HIS WEAPONS, before you shot him to pieces, 12 vs. 1?

Right?

Because this is really all about CoC, and Sportsmanship, and Honor, and whatever?

I mean you gave 'ol Bucket a fighting chance, right?

Right.

What is that one single guy supposed to do anyway at this point? His team screwed him over royally and he's left alone. MS was dropping a 10 man, not a 12 man from the screenshot in the OP, so they have no control over the 2 pugs and as such can't dictate what happens to that one guy in particular.

Does it even matter that he fires his weapons at this point? How does MS, a completely innocent party in this situation, make up for the failure of this guy's team? Why should they pay the guy back for something they didn't do in the first place?

[Fae Puka]

Dakota1000, on 29 December 2017 - 12:40 PM, said:

What is that one single guy supposed to do anyway at this point? His team screwed him over royally and he's left alone. MS was dropping a 10 man, not a 12 man from the screenshot in the OP, so they have no control over the 2 pugs and as such can't dictate what happens to that one guy in particular.

Does it even matter that he fires his weapons at this point? How does MS, a completely innocent party in this situation, make up for the failure of this guy's team? Why should they pay the guy back for something they didn't do in the first place?

. . . and I'm sure that only the two non-MS guys shot the sole fighter up . . . please define "completely innocent"

[Jay Leon Hart]

So can we put FP down now and try something else, please? I think enough time has been wasted on this mess, time to move on.

[Magnus Santini]

Dakota1000, on 29 December 2017 - 11:22 AM, said:

I just still don't understand the thought process here for the bonus mech being worth so much to someone. You can get the ...

Dakota1000, I think it might be the mech bay also which newer players do not have in abundance and cannot be bought for c-bills. I think most of this has been debated enough but wanted to mention that, if spawn camping is not in the COC as a violation, they should put it in even if they have to take any particular thing in there now to make room. Have been spawn camped by a top team (not MS) before, it is not fun and would make anyone quit the game if there were not ways to avoid it. And I cannot doubt that El Bandito is right that the other team was at least 95% intending to not play. But I think the team that camped me was just in a hurry and did not want their company to have to wait to face a full lance. The only other point that has not been raised is that this mode suffers from lack of matchmaker so unequal games are expected even if it is only groups. If you think that unequal teams is a bad idea, stay away.