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[Xavier]

Fox the Apprentice, on 29 December 2017 - 10:52 AM, said:

You are 100% correct in that I've never run into this.

Hope that you don’t. They hurt and your team melts....lol it is quite amazing though. You wouldn’t think it was that effective but it is.

[Helsbane]

I have to ask. How many matches did MS roll these PuGs in prior to this incident? Given I know you had at least 2 separate 12 mans running last night, I'd wager they were just done getting their asses kicked repeatedly. So, congrats! Not only did you kill their will to fight, but you also killed off another portion of the very population needed to keep that game mode on life support!

I don't blame PGI for the design of these MM farces, because you know damn well what you're doing, and continue to do it over, and over, and over, thus contributing to a dwindling player base. GGclose

[Throe]

Fox the Apprentice, on 29 December 2017 - 10:44 AM, said:

- They should just play 50 matches of quickplay instead and have money to buy the rewards.
- Pugs... ...are being greedy by trying to get the FP rewards.

This is ******** on multiple levels.

First, it's 100 Quick Play matches with 150 match score to get 100 Quick Play stocking stuffers.
Second, the bonus 'Mech is *only* obtainable by playing a *bare minimum* of 38 Faction Play matches, and that's assuming you get a minimum 250 match score in *every one*. This is *only* if the player in question earns *all 100* Quick Play stocking stuffers, *and* the 25 bonus stocking stuffers that were only available on the 27th(for ~36 hours or so).
Lastly, you can't look at any given player and say they're ineligible for a certain game mode. If the developers didn't intend for solo players to play in Faction Play it wouldn't be possible. If the developers didn't intend for brand new players to play in Faction Play with Trial 'Mechs, it wouldn't be possible. If the developers didn't intend for solo players to want this bonus 'Mech, they wouldn't have offered it at all. The stocking stuffers aren't the issue here. The fact that anyone who wants that bonus 'Mech has to play so many games of Faction Play is the real issue. I'm not tremendously interested in either Faction Play, or the individual stocking stuffer rewards, but that bonus 'Mech is a huge carrot on the end of a very long stick.

[El Bandito]

Dee Eight, on 29 December 2017 - 10:51 AM, said:

So you report them, fire off an email to moderation, and that's where it should have ended. Instead though...you started this thread to shame them, even if you did blot out the player names... you just wanted to be liked by your few friends and didn't expect obviously a greater # of players wouldt be of the OTHER opinion than yours. Well you uncorked the bottle...too late to try and stuff the genie back inside.

Guess you don't know what GD is for then. Besides, I already reported them. Far from uncorking the bottle, I am happy that my thread has reached page number 13. As a bonus it helped me to see just how far I have come since 2015, compared to those who refused to better themselves in FP.

If I didn't improve myself, I would have been on the side that whines about evil premades in FP--a scary thought.

Edited by El Bandito, 29 December 2017 - 11:23 AM.

[H I A S]

El Bandito, on 29 December 2017 - 09:57 AM, said:

Not the point. We queue in FP to fight, not to shoot at stationary targets.

FP was always like the ingame Academy. I mean the average FP Player is not more agile or challenging.

Edited by H I A S, 29 December 2017 - 11:25 AM.

[El Bandito]

H I A S, on 29 December 2017 - 11:19 AM, said:

FP was always like the ingame Academy. I mean the average FP Player is not more stationary or challenging.

At least pugs shoot back, giving slightly better immersion.

Edited by El Bandito, 29 December 2017 - 11:24 AM.

[Champion of Khorne Lord of Blood]

I just still don't understand the thought process here for the bonus mech being worth so much to someone. You can get the bonus mech through playing those FP matches and dying repeatedly if you absolutely *refuse* to git gud and have it take a very long time to get or you could just have done quickplay matches for that same time to get the same mech or better yet any mech of your choosing.

I'm just stating that it would be a much more fun option for the players who dislike FP to not play FP and instead focus on QP and just get their mech that way.



Also, I see fault in blaming the devs instead of the players. The devs gave people freedom, with freedom comes some responsibility or you'll hurt yourself. Do you just do whatever you can in life just because you can even if you know the consequences will involve you going through something you don't enjoy or do you take a step back and realize that a lot of the things you *can* do are pretty stupid things to do. I can go hit my hand with a hammer, is that the fault of the hammer's inventor that I can do that? Do I blame the hammer's inventor saying "if he didn't intend for me to hit myself with a hammer then he would have made it impossible to do"? Maybe the hammer's inventor assumed that I'd have some level of common sense instead? Maybe PGI assumed these PUGs would have some form of common sense, but at every turn they just keep abusing themselves. They join the game, they bring bad builds, they bring bad mechs, they use bad tactics, they refuse to coordinate, they jump right into queues where groups are prowling, at no point in time did they ever attempt to help themselves, they just blamed the devs for their folly or blamed the groups for beating them. I can't really find any sympathy for fools.

[ZippySpeedMonkey]

So here’s a question for you....

Knowing that there was an event going on and that the FP side would be full of PUGS.

What in your group’s mind thought it would be a good idea to form a 12 man and participate ?

If you try to claim some sort of outrage based on other team mass ejecting because they knew they were going to get mauled badly, then you and the groups like you, reallly, really need to take a good hard look at your morals.

The fact is that you and your group intentionally set yourselves up to seal club. You got a result you didn’t like and are now whining about it.

End of story.

Want to stop it ?

Well then here’s a crazy idea. Don’t drop as a 12 man. Break yourselves up ( at least for events )

Edited by ZippySpeedMonkey, 29 December 2017 - 11:25 AM.

[ANOM O MECH]

El Bandito, on 29 December 2017 - 12:15 AM, said:

These chicken-livered snotfaces began to mass eject as soon as their first wave was crushed early in the match. In order to get our matchscores, our unit mates basically had to surround their drop zone and get some shots in before they eject out of all of their mechs, and lost a few to their dropship fire. Sure, they have their chicken-livered reasons for throwing the towel (hoping to get to the next drop fast and praying that (MS) wont be there), but it is still crappy sportsmanship. Only one of them offered any semblance of resistance (a guy named Bucket of Joy).




Naturally they were reported.

Yeah Bucket of Joy is a CW regular and from my playing with him, a decent guy all round. He also has a terriffic unit name to go with his unique handle.

[Armored Yokai]

This is exactly what i mean when Units are scaring off players.

I don't think you guys should be hypocritical and get upset over something you guys have done when you fought someone.

While I myself don't have issue with fighting units, some people just don't want to fight a coordinated 8+ man and lose the game because that often means a guaranteed loss unless you have key pug players like my friend Yondu the Ravager (He is very skilled and ranked in the top FW players)

They are not wrong for doing this because they are merely playing dirty like you guys do. The action of seppuku was used either voluntarily by samurai to die with honor rather than fall into the hands of their enemies and likely suffer torture (IE Dropzone farming which your Unit does very much)

Ps I Don't have any issue with player overheat death and running out of bounds (i find it a good thing because that means I can focus on something else while you run away and only some KDR munchkin would get angry over something so trivial)

[Fox the Apprentice]

Throe, on 29 December 2017 - 11:04 AM, said:

This is ******** on multiple levels.
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Just wanted to make sure you knew that you are responding to Dakota1000's opinion, not mine!

[ApexSun]

theta123, on 29 December 2017 - 01:19 AM, said:

Well, pretty much because most FP matches end up in IS getting massacered and Clans just have to spam ER LL and LRMS to win. Even against non Units.
I have dropped many times, in a PUG, against a Full Clan unit wich just wipe out any opposition.
Its NOT fun anymore. It clearly shows the imbalance in FP invasion between clans and IS. And i love it how everytime clan players are so smug and claim "nothing is wrong"

Its the same BS i had with playing WW2 games, where the german faction was clearly overpowered and they just were like "i love getting dozens of kills no death stop whining and please be my Cannon fodder thx"

Meh, we will be IS soon and do the same thing in our IS mechs. The equipment isnt the problem.

[El Bandito]

ZippySpeedMonkey, on 29 December 2017 - 11:24 AM, said:

So here’s a question for you....

Knowing that there was an event going on and that the FP side would be full of PUGS.

What in your group’s mind thought it would be a good idea to form a 12 man and participate ?

If you try to claim some sort of outrage based on other team mass ejecting because they knew they were going to get mauled badly, then you and the groups like you, reallly, really need to take a good hard look at your morals.

The fact that you and your group intentionally set yourselves up to seal club. You got a result you didn’t like and are now whining about it.

End of story.

Want to stop it ?

Well then here’s a crazy idea. Don’t drop as a 12 man. Break yourselves up ( at least for events )

Why should we split up into many teams and be forced to wait for queue, instead of lumping together and dropping faster? Why should we split up when knowing that other strong units on the opposing are also in queue? Why should we split up when we are helping our less skilled players to get their match scores? Why should we refuse to socialize as a unit together?

Your idea is indeed crazy, and not in a good way. We already have dedicated solo droppers to help out pugs on our side. The rest are dropping together, cause it is fun--and that's what the game should be about. If people aint having fun in FP, then they should stop playing the mode, instead of ejecting like scum.

Armored Yokai, on 29 December 2017 - 11:30 AM, said:

This is exactly what i mean when Units are scaring off players.

I don't think you guys should be hypocritical and get upset over something you guys have done when you fought someone.

Are you accusing us of mass ejecting? When and where?

Armored Yokai, on 29 December 2017 - 11:30 AM, said:

They are not wrong for doing this because they are merely playing dirty like you guys do. The action of seppuku was used either voluntarily by samurai to die with honor rather than fall into the hands of their enemies and likely suffer torture (IE Dropzone farming which your Unit does very much)

Of course they are doing it wrong cause they broke CoC. Then again, your saltiness when it comes to (MS) is well known to us.

Edited by El Bandito, 29 December 2017 - 11:34 AM.

[Fox the Apprentice]

El Bandito, on 29 December 2017 - 11:30 AM, said:

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Are you accusing us of mass ejecting? When and where?

I think it was meant more like "something you guys have caused when you fought someone"

[Nightbird]

Finally? This has been happening for 4 years, since FP phase 1.

[Armored Yokai]

El Bandito, on 29 December 2017 - 11:30 AM, said:

Are you accusing us of mass ejecting? When and where?

not mass ejecting but most of your players tend to blow themselves up when things look bad for them

[El Bandito]

Armored Yokai, on 29 December 2017 - 11:34 AM, said:

not mass ejecting but most of your players tend to blow themselves up when things look bad for them

Hyperbole galore! I drop with my unit daily, and I know they only blow themselves up when it is the choice between shut down and die, or overheat and do as much damage as we can before exploding. Why shouldn't one strive to do as much damage as possible? In comparison, random pugs tend to blow themselves up at their own spawn without ever engaging us, cause they are too scared to face us. Now that's scummy.

Edited by El Bandito, 29 December 2017 - 11:41 AM.

[Dago Red]

Armored Yokai, on 29 December 2017 - 11:34 AM, said:

not mass ejecting but most of your players tend to blow themselves up when things look bad for them

Blow themselves up as in intentionally suicide ineffectually or as in hitting O for glory and then screaming "WITNESS ME" when a pilot is in a no win spot?

There's a world of difference between the two things.

[Armored Yokai]

El Bandito, on 29 December 2017 - 11:37 AM, said:

I know they only blow themselves up when it is the choice between shut down and die, or overheat and do as much damage as we can before exploding.

That's still suicide. theres been occasions where they aren't using laservomit or high heat builds and still torsotwist firing into nothing when around 2-3 people are on the person

"Willfully or repeatedly self-destructing one’s ‘Mech, either by overheating, going out-of-bounds, or committing some other form of suicide or intending to cause abnormally early death."

Edited by Armored Yokai, 29 December 2017 - 11:46 AM.

[KingCobra]

El Bandito, on 29 December 2017 - 11:37 AM, said:

Hyperbole galore! I drop with my unit daily, and I know they only blow themselves up when it is the choice between shut down and die, or overheat and do as much damage as we can before exploding. Why shouldn't one strive to do as much damage as possible? In comparison, random pugs tend to blow themselves up at their own spawn without ever engaging us, cause they are too scared to face us.

Just WOW look at this dude he is so rapped up in himself he cant see the problems in MWO/ CW and why Organized teams and PGI have killed this game.

And yes this has gone on since the beginning of CW Russ and PGI have known for a long time solo/pugs/casuls should have never had to play organized teams in any game mode or mm queue in MWO of course PGI Staff have been part of the problem playing CW in MWO and doing the same thing this fellow has done for 4 years seal club your player base to death.

P.S yes MS and other organized teams make it a habit of suicide intentionally in CW/FP to not allow other players to get kills and rewards.

Edited by KingCobra, 29 December 2017 - 11:47 AM.