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[Sigmar Sich]

i wonder if Windows updates are released at same time for all the world (means did i install a fix or not). If not, screw this, i will not update any further.
Anyway, any shake of those fat arses is welcomed. Their lazy tic-tac took long enough.

Edited by Sigmar Sich, 06 January 2018 - 11:41 AM.

[RelativeQuanta]

Tarl Cabot, on 06 January 2018 - 11:37 AM, said:

The flaw update is being done via their security software but if you are running a 3rd party antivirus software you will likely not see that particular patch yet. I just checked mine and nada new yet.

https://www.theverge...n-security-flaw

1. Laptop.. when was last time the vents/heatsinks were blown out of any dust buildup? Time of the year where it is cold outside and heat is on inside.
2. Check Windows update to see if windows updated recent GPU drivers (on by default and can foul things up).

Sigmar Sich, on 06 January 2018 - 10:54 AM, said:

I updated my Windows yesterday (5th) and i did not noticed any performance issues aside my own imagination. But i read Haswell CPUs (22nm), which i have (a youngest i5, 4430), and all more modern cores, bear a technology which saves them from most of performance drops. I do not know if this is a placebo.
Since you name a 6***, you should not be affected too.
In any case, it is a software, they will fix it or lose an Atlas-ton of money, Endure.

P.S. I tested my performance on Attila Total War (same results), Rome Total War (same-ish results, i do not remember original FPS from benchmark, but it was close), Star Citizen (as crappy crap as it was after 3.0). I play MWO today to test, too. All seems to be as i remember. Clams are cheaty buggers though, but i doubt my CPU is in cahoots with them

Appogee, on 06 January 2018 - 10:49 AM, said:

Oh crap.


I have that processor. About to log in and have a few games. Will let you know.

Thanks for the info guys. It helps. I'll mess with settings, closing background programs and etc. to see if I can get my frame rate back.

Checked my vents, not a dirt thing. If I don't manage to fix it, I'll post again.

[Alkabides]

Sounds like it's time to put the graphics to the lowest settings....

[VonBruinwald]

Seranov, on 06 January 2018 - 11:39 AM, said:

Not sure. They also said 30% was an absolute worst-case scenario. It's likely to be less for most folks.

Not so sure I trust what they say considering they've been aware of it for the last 6 months and seemingly done nothing.

[kuma8877]

VonBruinwald, on 06 January 2018 - 12:25 PM, said:

Not so sure I trust what they say considering they've been aware of it for the last 6 months and seemingly done nothing.

That's to get a lead on a solution without tipping the hand to hackers too early.

[Appogee]

RelativeQuanta, on 06 January 2018 - 11:59 AM, said:

Thanks for the info guys.

Out of the 5 matches I've played so far, I had a FPS slowdown - not critical, but noticeable - in one match when there were perhaps 7 Mechs in fairly close range. But I've experienced those before.

[JC Daxion]

Radio Wolf, on 06 January 2018 - 09:25 AM, said:

Gaddamn, that's a big screw-up on the part of Intel. I didn't even know about this.

Even apple is flawed in this one, yup the so called virus immune company now has flaws in even their phones.. None got out alive..


I updated, didn't notice any difference on any game i've tried which is basically this one and Stardew valley seeing i just upgraded yesterday.


Also keep an eye on on your motherboard's BIOS update coming soon. Newer boards and better manufacturers should have one out sooner than later.

Edited by JC Daxion, 06 January 2018 - 12:42 PM.

[Mystere]

Seranov, on 06 January 2018 - 11:39 AM, said:

Not sure. They also said 30% was an absolute worst-case scenario. It's likely to be less for most folks.

It's based on worst-case scenario on synthetic tests. Real-world applications will not be as bad if at all noticeable.

[oldradagast]

Radio Wolf, on 06 January 2018 - 10:07 AM, said:

The article did quote AMD as bragging that they weren't affected though...makes me wish I had bought AMD instead of the i7.

The irony is that MWO is know to have some performance issues with AMD chips. I have one, and there's some truth to that, but at least I didn't have to suffer from the Meltdown patch. Too bad Specter is still an issue... ugh.

[Figure 11]

I've been running around post update, my framerate is the same as usual and the game runs just fine.

I have an i7 4790K and an R9 fury and play at 4k.

Edited by Figure 11, 06 January 2018 - 12:54 PM.

[ForceUser]

oldradagast, on 06 January 2018 - 12:50 PM, said:

The irony is that MWO is know to have some performance issues with AMD chips. I have one, and there's some truth to that, but at least I didn't have to suffer from the Meltdown patch. Too bad Specter is still an issue... ugh.

There are 2 specter and 1 meltdown flaw/vulnerability from what I've been able to gather. AMD says they are vulnerably to only one of the specter flaws and they say that one will have a very low (1% or less) impact fix. It's also the hardest flaw to exploit according to them.

The biggest impact for Intel chips is in the virtual machine space. Benchmarks I've seen so far hasn't indicated a big impact on gaming although it is possible MWO might make a large number of hardware calls and I think that's an issue for meltdown.

There's a lot of info floating around and a lot of people are still trying to figure out what the exact truths are but intel is in deep poopoo on the server side.

[Stf Sgt Marblez]

Can't say that I've noticed any appreciable difference in framerates...

Then again I'm still in the stone age with Win7.

So sad they're phasing it out in the next few years...

That said, what would I upgrade to when they do? Win8 or newer? Just wondering.

[Pilotasso]

It's just placebo, the drops in performance are probably reflect the current event going and server side issues handling it rather than the bugs. Theres alot of online reviewers who already proved that desktop users wont see the difference.

[Thorqemada]

The question is how these Bugs and Fixes affect the MWO Servers.
Got aware of this showing of a Graphic form the Epicgames Forums about Server CPU Usage that increases significantly:
https://www.epicgame...tability-update

PS:
https://spectreattack.com/
Infos about that whole thing...

Edited by Thorqemada, 06 January 2018 - 01:44 PM.

[Thorqemada]

And the Lawsuitavalanche starts to roll:
http://www.pcgamer.c...security-flaws/

Some People claim that Intel has Knowledge of that security "Bugs" since 2012...
https://twitter.com/...361495468642304

Edited by Thorqemada, 06 January 2018 - 11:36 PM.

[RelativeQuanta]

Well... maybe it's not actually related... but my frame rate today makes the game unplayable. I updated my video drivers and dropped details to the lowest settings. No help. Way too jumpy for me to play unless all I do is boat LRMS...

[Pakara]

It effects VM performance. Unless you're running MWO on a machine that is also running VMs for some reason, you will not be effected locally. The MWO servers may well be effected, depending on how they are set up. That may result in server-side lag issues, but that would not show up as a drop in FPS.

[Deathlike]

Pakara, on 06 January 2018 - 03:01 PM, said:

It effects VM performance. Unless you're running MWO on a machine that is also running VMs for some reason, you will not be effected locally. The MWO servers may well be effected, depending on how they are set up. That may result in server-side lag issues, but that would not show up as a drop in FPS.

Most servers being hosted are usually Virtual Machines, so the likelihood of problems increasing (in terms of performance) is pretty significant, especially if these are not upgraded on occasion.

Edited by Deathlike, 06 January 2018 - 06:03 PM.

[Revis Volek]

Cathy, on 06 January 2018 - 09:50 AM, said:

It's not just Intel, it's AMD plus others as well, if it has a cpu it's likely to be vulnerable..

All those people that said I was paranoid about using cloud for personal details..

I have yet to hear anything about AMD's being hit but that was still up in the air.


Its anything x86 based though so i dont see how they are gonna miss it.

Edited by Revis Volek, 06 January 2018 - 08:30 PM.

[LT. HARDCASE]

We need more solid numbers, and less anecdotes.. Do you feel it runs slower because you were told it may run slower, or are average fps actually being affected?

Revis Volek, on 06 January 2018 - 08:25 PM, said:

I have yet to hear anything about AMD's being hit but that was still up in the air.


Its anything x86 based though so i dont see how they are gonna miss it.

AMD is seemingly immune to Meltdown, but is 100% affected by and is susceptible Spectre.

Edited by LT. HARDCASE, 06 January 2018 - 09:08 PM.