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[Mole]

Water Bear, on 12 January 2018 - 01:08 PM, said:

The question was rhetorical. He was trying to get other posters to think about which Hellbringer is the best at laser vomit, and realize his conclusion: The Virago.

Oh. Oh I get it now. I thought this was a verteran player asking like, real scrub questions and I was really confused.


EDIT: So... this guy is saying that the Virago is the best Hellbringer because of a 10% range quirk to ER Lasers? Because I mean... I can, if I want to, build a Hellbringer that has a whopping 9 Energy hardpoints as well as ECM with zero omnipods from the Virago.

Edited by Mole, 12 January 2018 - 01:19 PM.

[panzer1b]

The ONLY reason to even touch the virago (aside from CB boost which not everyone cares for or needs like at all), is the 4 ERLL build since its 100% superior on that particular mech vs the free models. 10% range on a clan ERLL boat is just ideal since it lets that mech (with the 15% range from skills and 4+% from TC) hit hard enough at range to be a true threat.

Granted, most other builds can be done better on the free models (id much rather have ECM then not have it since i already get all 5 radar derpivation skills on 100% of my mechs anyways so its but 2 extra points), but the 10% heat gen quirk is a huge gamebreaker since 10% more sustained DPS can easily make or break a mech. You can run the 2HLL 4ERML build on it and get some minor range, all with 10% heat gen, and ofc the ERLL build or even 2ERLL+4ERML if you want something more versatile. Granted i do still prefer the normal model since i can get a 60 alfa build using 1HLL and 6 high mounted ERMLs, but the virago's heat gen and range quirks do put it really close to P2W territory, and the ONLY thing keeping me from really calling it that outright is the fact that 2 of its hardpoints are arm mounted keeping you from hillpoking 100% of your weapons constantly (and well it cant use ECM while keeping its quirks).

Ofc its not even close to the deathstrike which is byfar the single best variant of the MCII chassis, and while the MCII-1 is still a very solid mech (i do very well with the 2GR 2HLL 2ERML build), you can run far more "optimized" builds on the deathstrike, and it allows you to run the low weight faster 6ERML model (still 72 alfa, by no means bad, and if PGI ever links heavy and medium lasers itll be the ONLY viable gauss vomit MCII), as well as the pure alfa build with 4ERML and 2HLL version (hot as hell but there is no mech that can ignore 94 alfa). Hell, even the cutefox purifier is more P2W, being the single truly combat effective option on that chassis (i run 2MG, 6ERML, and more DHS then a friggin shadowcat). High mounts, 40 alfa at 500m, backup MGs, and well literally enough heatsinks to fire that alfa 2.5 times on terra therma. Only reason the cutefox PR isnt really that frowned upon is that teh cuteofx isnt really meta at all nomatter what it can carry, unlike the deathstrike that i personally would put in the top 3 assaults you can do.

Edited by panzer1b, 12 January 2018 - 03:43 PM.

[Revis Volek]

Mcgral18, on 12 January 2018 - 11:09 AM, said:

It's pretty much standard for the Heroes to do something better
Deathstrike
SadCat
and the Loki being current ones


Extra damage, extra MG, and extra quirks, for limited sacrifice.


PGI's incentive to pay for advantages
The same it's been for years (up until they get nerfed into uselessness, and the cycle begins anew)

Shard can do 6 B and 3 E just like the E but gets a 30% cbill bonus to boot.

Not the same locations but 2 MG and 2 E in the ST actually makes the build slightly better IMO as far as firepower duration in the fact that when both arms drop off i still have 2 MG;s.

Edited by Revis Volek, 12 January 2018 - 04:04 PM.

[Yosharian]

There are some horrendous examples of P2W in this game but the Virago is not one of them.

Edited by Yosharian, 12 January 2018 - 06:34 PM.

[Snazzy Dragon]

Yosharian, on 12 January 2018 - 06:34 PM, said:

There are some horrendous examples of P2W in this game but the Virago is not one of them.

4 high mounts, 10% less heat and 10% extra range? Sounds perfect for the 4 cERLL build, and ECM is pointless at that range bracket

I think with the 10% heat gen i'd be bold enough to drop 2 DHS and put 2 HMLs in the arms in solo queue for those moments when you just gotta carry hard

[SlippnGriff]

you can get the side torso with 2 energy for cbills, you can also buy one for the right torso that has -10% heat gen. the only thing thats a paywall is a set of 8 quirk set that gives the +10% energy range in exchange for ecm and having to have energy on an arm. Not paywall because every bringer is meta

[panzer1b]

SlippnGriff, on 12 January 2018 - 09:41 PM, said:

you can get the side torso with 2 energy for cbills, you can also buy one for the right torso that has -10% heat gen. the only thing thats a paywall is a set of 8 quirk set that gives the +10% energy range in exchange for ecm and having to have energy on an arm. Not paywall because every bringer is meta

Except that there is NO free way to get 4 highmounted energy hardpoints, 10% heat, AND 10% range all in 1 package. ECM is also worthless if you are sitting at 1km where nothing short of maxed sensort range tree can spot you let alone effectively return fire at you. Obviously if you dont want to run 4 ERLLs then the entire point is moot as you dont exactly gain all that much from the 10% range (its helpful but not gamebreaking), but the ONLY really solid ERLL hellbringer is the hero and only the hero (on a pure sniper range means everything, and the 10% heatgen is just icing on the cake which lets you sustain your fire more effectively despite not being able to bring 30 DHS like 6 ERLL assaults can.

Ofc i myself am not a fan of the ERLL hellbringer in the slightest (and personally the virago doesnt interest me at all since i dont need CB or ERLL sniper mech), but it is a case where the hero does a particular loadout far better then the freebees. Ofc you see this elsewhere so its not unique to teh virago (scorch good example being the ONLY truly viable clan brawl assault, not that brawl is meta or anything on clan), but the fact is that if you want top run the 4 ERLL build, virago is the only good hellbringer to do it on because of the quirks and hardpoint locations).

[Alkabides]

El Bandito, on 12 January 2018 - 10:36 AM, said:

Only if you have set of 8 bonuses. And that means you do not have ECM protection, and limited to only 6 energy points. You can easily duplicate max amount of energy points using C-Bill Hellbies. And that makes Virago better than other Hellbringers on FP Polar, Alpine, and Boreal maps only--which makes its advantages very limited in use. I guess you could make limited argument about P2W, but it is very flimsy.

Of course, I will be buying the Virago now that it is available for MC, cause I am a tryhard FP player.

I believe this variant is $20 cash or about $30 worth of mc. Something to consider before purchasing for mc.

[Water Bear]

Mole, on 12 January 2018 - 01:12 PM, said:

Oh. Oh I get it now. I thought this was a verteran player asking like, real scrub questions and I was really confused.


EDIT: So... this guy is saying that the Virago is the best Hellbringer because of a 10% range quirk to ER Lasers? Because I mean... I can, if I want to, build a Hellbringer that has a whopping 9 Energy hardpoints as well as ECM with zero omnipods from the Virago.

Hey, I'm not saying I agree with him. I don't even play Hellbringers. From this thread, it sounds like there's a case to be made that you are correct.

I find that this game is generally not P2W. There might be a very slight advantage to some particular heros, but it's such a small margin of improvement, and there are so many better 'mechs anyway.

[El Bandito]

Alkabides, on 13 January 2018 - 09:52 AM, said:

I believe this variant is $20 cash or about $30 worth of mc. Something to consider before purchasing for mc.

Although I have enough MC from event to buy the Virago, I will wait for the sale. I never purchase a hero full price.

[Catra Lanis]

I bought it yesterday with the MC from the Christmas events. It doesn't really feel better than my F but I didn't buy it because I thought it would be better than the C-Bill variants. I bought it because it's Joannas ride and it looks nice.