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[Tertius]

Rip Snorgan, on 20 January 2018 - 04:30 PM, said:

Oops...NOW I know that it doesn't count with Artemis...AFTER rolling out in my SRM6 +Artie equipped Battlemaster and Stormcrow.

Extra heatsinks...here I come.

I got it also right after a match. The machin gun challenge was also such a zhing, but it starts to get ridicolous (@PGI).

[Buenaventura]

As one could see in their inventory ingame (if you own launchers with and without artemis) or the mechlab (if you just own either or), the ASRM6 is technically a different weapon than the SRM6.

Just as an idead for PGI and future events like this: If you don't have the time to change the current trial mechs, how about ADDING some clan and IS mechs for events requiring certain weapon systems? For the current one, one clan light or medium with SRM6 and MGs would've served those without clan mechs a lot. Then an IS with just SRM6 and another with ERML+MGs for those with just clan mechs. Shouldn't be that difficult or time consuming to do (which is one of the reasons I'm convinced there is just a skeleton crew still working on MWO ).

[Generic Internetter]

PGI if you're going to do events that are so specific in the use of weapons, then you have to be more specific in terms of EXACTLY which weapons qualify for the event.

The MG fiasco has been and gone.
Today it's SRM6's. Why not just "all types of SRM"? Why Specifically SRM6's WITHOUT ARTEMIS?!
I've played two matches and upon checking I see that my event score is still 0/150.

Honestly I'm not going to participate any longer, and after this and the similar MG day 1 fiasco I am no longer "hyped for the Piranha".
You've succeeded in dangling a carrot and then making people LESS INTERESTED than they were before.

You would have been better off just giving people 10 MC per KMDD throughout the week and calling it a day.

Edited by Generic Internetter, 21 January 2018 - 08:07 AM.

[MrKvola]

OMG how about all you people actually read the news on the webpage, specifically the post you are discussing now?

I think the requirement not to use Artemis for the SRM challenge was put up there on day 2. Yet some come to discuss here, and still are magically not able to find the requirement. I know there is no easy cure for stupid or lazy, you people actually need to put in some effort. I just wonder why put in the effort to whine instead of actually reading PGI's posts first.

[Captain Caveman DE]

operating on this level, again and again;

it HAS to be on purpose. nobody can repeat their own mistakes that often without.

[Son of the Flood]

I'm enjoying these daily challenges and their rewards. It has caused me to take a few mechs for a spin that were otherwise gathering dust in their mechbays! Keep em' coming!

I noticed a lot of Centurions and HBK-4S's slinging their SRM6's around the battlefield today! Reminds me of the early days when there were less mechs to choose from.

[MovinTarget]

I am starting to think this is part of a larger experiment.

They are documenting if, with certain challenges, if there is an influx of the *wrong* weapons, i.e. LMG/HMG, normal ML/Mpl, and srms w/ artemis...

Perhaps they want to get an idea of just how poorly the details are disseminated...

[LordFatman]

MrKvola, on 21 January 2018 - 08:43 AM, said:

OMG how about all you people actually read the news on the webpage, specifically the post you are discussing now?

I think the requirement not to use Artemis for the SRM challenge was put up there on day 2. Yet some come to discuss here, and still are magically not able to find the requirement. I know there is no easy cure for stupid or lazy, you people actually need to put in some effort. I just wonder why put in the effort to whine instead of actually reading PGI's posts first.

you are right pgi is stupid and lazy it should tell requirement on in game menu were every one looks not on 1 web page no one looks at but people with to much time on their hands when I get time to play I want to play not look at all the web pages to finding if I need a Special requirement its not that hard to add no Artemis

Edited by LordFatman, 21 January 2018 - 10:12 AM.

[Buenaventura]

The new event system doesn't seem to allow for comments on challenges, so they have to put explanations elsewhere.
The explanation that Day 1 only works with standard MGs was a bit late, even later than the already late news about the event. But when the remaining days were added, the news was updated and clearly stated which weapons count.

For the event system, SRM6 and SRM6+Artemis are different weapons! Actually, nowhere in MWO a SRM6+Artemis is just a SRM6 with an additional Artemis unit. Both have the same stats (except for the added weight and crit and the reduced spread), but are different weapons.

[LordFatman]

it says srm 6 just add no Artemis its not that hard

Edited by LordFatman, 21 January 2018 - 10:36 AM.

[MrKvola]

LordFatman, on 21 January 2018 - 10:04 AM, said:

you are right pgi is stupid and lazy it should tell requirement on in game menu were every one looks not on 1 web page no one looks at but people with to much time on their hands when I get time to play I want to play not look at all the web pages to finding if I need a Special requirement its not that hard to add no Artemis

Yet you can find time to post 4 times or so in this thread and watch it for responses. Funny.

LordFatman, on 21 January 2018 - 10:35 AM, said:

it says srm 6 just add no Artemis its not that hard

May not be possible with the current system.

[Zephrym]

MrKvola, on 21 January 2018 - 11:09 AM, said:

May not be possible with the current system.

[sigh] Back in the day when I started programming; when punch cards were being phased out, adding an extra field to an array, comma delimited list, database field, xml doc etc. was an easy task. It saddens me that such options are no longer available in this modern age. [grumpy old man rant ends] ������

Edited by Zephrym, 21 January 2018 - 11:57 AM.

[MovinTarget]

Zephrym, on 21 January 2018 - 11:56 AM, said:

[sigh] Back in the day when I started programming; when punch cards were being phased out, adding an extra field to an array, comma delimited list, database field, xml doc etc. was an easy task. It saddens me that such options are no longer available in this modern age. [grumpy old man rant ends] ������

It is, if it was designed with that particular level of flexibilty in mind, but now with reusable libraries that just *almost* give you everything you need so you don't have to reinvent the wheel... yeah, I'm with you...

[LordFatman]

{ Catch of the Day - Day 6

Catch of the Day! Get hyped for the Piranha release with this daily event! (Day 6)

if that can put all this on top they can add No Artemis

Edited by LordFatman, 21 January 2018 - 01:43 PM.

[MrKvola]

Sure. You could also argue that in an intelligent, constructive way instead of that incessant whining and strawman arguments.

[Generic Internetter]

Buenaventura, on 21 January 2018 - 10:34 AM, said:

The new event system doesn't seem to allow for comments on challenges, so they have to put explanations elsewhere.
The explanation that Day 1 only works with standard MGs was a bit late, even later than the already late news about the event. But when the remaining days were added, the news was updated and clearly stated which weapons count.

For the event system, SRM6 and SRM6+Artemis are different weapons! Actually, nowhere in MWO a SRM6+Artemis is just a SRM6 with an additional Artemis unit. Both have the same stats (except for the added weight and crit and the reduced spread), but are different weapons.

We as players already made the effort to click on the news feed that jumps into our faces when the game starts. There... that's all the player should have to do (click to read about it).

Then on the page we land on, it should say specifically what the parameters are.

It said nothing and did not even indicate that I would have to click through the forums to read up on the details. There's no excuse for not having the details on the same page as the event score.

LordFatman, on 21 January 2018 - 10:35 AM, said:

it says srm 6 just add no Artemis its not that hard

You missed the point. The point is that players won't know until PGI makes the small effort to add text to the webpage that gives the details about the event.
Text on a webpage... "It's not that hard".

MrKvola, on 21 January 2018 - 08:43 AM, said:

OMG how about all you people actually read the news on the webpage, specifically the post you are discussing now? ... I just wonder why put in the effort to whine instead of actually reading PGI's posts first.

and

MrKvola, on 21 January 2018 - 01:45 PM, said:

Sure. You could also argue that in an intelligent, constructive way instead of that incessant whining and strawman arguments.

I'm glad that throughout this conversation I have used clear, constructive arguments and not resorted to strawman arguments or whining. In fact, I'm going to break in down for you, point by point.

Generic Internetter, on 21 January 2018 - 08:05 AM, said:

PGI if you're going to do events that are so specific in the use of weapons, then you have to be more specific in terms of EXACTLY which weapons qualify for the event.

Stated what the problem is.

Generic Internetter, on 21 January 2018 - 08:05 AM, said:

The MG fiasco has been and gone.
Today it's SRM6's. Why not just "all types of SRM"? Why Specifically SRM6's WITHOUT ARTEMIS?!
I've played two matches and upon checking I see that my event score is still 0/150.

Gave details about what happened. From a dev perspective, this is known as "user experience".

Generic Internetter, on 21 January 2018 - 08:05 AM, said:

Honestly I'm not going to participate any longer, and after this and the similar MG day 1 fiasco I am no longer "hyped for the Piranha".
You've succeeded in dangling a carrot and then making people LESS INTERESTED than they were before.

Explained what the consequences are. Sure losing one paying customer for a while isn't a big deal - The point is I'm sure there were others who feel the same.

Generic Internetter, on 21 January 2018 - 08:05 AM, said:

You would have been better off just giving people 10 MC per KMDD throughout the week and calling it a day.

An alternative suggestion. Okay, I admit this was a bit sarcastic, but still a reasonable suggestion. I would have been pushing hard to rack up as much damage as possible if this was the event criteria.

See? No whining. Also no strawmanning.

Edited by Generic Internetter, 21 January 2018 - 02:31 PM.

[Neutron IX]

Reality.

Sure, they could have made it clearer/bolder/bigger letters/more obvious/in more places.

And I sure could have been better at paying attention to the spot where it does say it.

So that being said, why be browsing the forums in anger, rather than out farming the event?

With any sort of reasonable SRM-6 boating, you'll have this thing sewn up in no time, even if you do end up with a couple of drops with Artemis equipped at the outset (as I did).

You can do it, folks! I believe in you!

Edited by Rip Snorgan, 21 January 2018 - 02:48 PM.

[James Argent]

MrKvola, on 21 January 2018 - 11:09 AM, said:

May not be possible with the current system.

Pretty sure, due to the way this has gone on like this, that it's simply a series of drop-down menus that self-populates the in-game event page with the database entry for that weapon system: Achieve (number) (event) (with (equipment)). This would make you correct that unless they change the in-game name of SRM6 to 'SRM6 No Artemis' it isn't possible to have the event browser differentiate SRM6 from SRM6+A. (Oh wait...it just did, it always did, and people just don't recognize it because they haven't yet had any events that specify using SRM6+A.) It's a matter of knowing how literal databases are and adjusting your expectations to it, because machine code is notoriously uncaring of differing opinions. Or just, you know, double-check.

Still not a fan of having to bring up the FP screen to check/claim anything in the in-game browser, but it's the only way to get an injection confirmation so I deal with it. But I always check the webpage tracker and announcement forum thread as backups and to get better details on what I actually have to do for the event.

[LordFatman]

like I said just add to TOP

Catch of the Day - Day 6

Catch of the Day! Get hyped for the Piranha release with this daily event! (Day 6)

in this part I DO NOT THINK GET HYPED IS A DROP DOWN

Edited by LordFatman, 21 January 2018 - 03:45 PM.

[arcana75]

Generic Internetter, on 21 January 2018 - 08:05 AM, said:

Today it's SRM6's. Why not just "all types of SRM"? Why Specifically SRM6's WITHOUT ARTEMIS?!
I've played two matches and upon checking I see that my event score is still 0/150.

MovinTarget, on 21 January 2018 - 09:44 AM, said:

I am starting to think this is part of a larger experiment.

They are documenting if, with certain challenges, if there is an influx of the *wrong* weapons, i.e. LMG/HMG, normal ML/Mpl, and srms w/ artemis...

Perhaps they want to get an idea of just how poorly the details are disseminated...

I think they are data-mining the weaponry to explore tweaks.