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[GBxGhostRider]

• PGI listen to the wrong people from the Competitive Player Pool
  
• PGI stacking on further hurts against Non-Competitive Players... (MechWarrior was never really meant to be an E-Sports thing in the first place...)
  
• PGI adding insult to injury against the group of Casual-Class Players who DON'T play 'The Bloody Meta' because it doesn't work with how they function
  
• PGI making changes that further cripple people with old computers and non-perfect brains who were barely scraping by
  
• AT this point what does it matter? MWO is all but dead FP is all but dead on life support and there is no mention of anything but Solaris coming which no one but the upper crust wanted anyway.
  
• No mention of any fixes for player retention or FP revival my personally reply back to this patch is IDK its all about placating the whales so $$$$$$ USD still flows in nothing more.
  
• OK back to WarThunder and WOT.
  
• P.S where is the player counter ? is PGI so ashamed of what MWO has become they cant even show how many players still play the game?

Edited by GBxGhostRider, 20 January 2018 - 10:39 AM.

[Reposter]

If you use Steam, you can see the number of players via the Community Hub for MechWarrior Online...please do not be so negative of the game. If you are really not pleased, just play something else.

[Sereglach]

The continued lack of attention to the Flamer is sad. Please, almost 2 years (1 year and 11 months) ago, Russ said fixing the Flamer to flat fixed values and removing all the band aids that killed the weapon (for the sake of ending Flamergeddon) was "a discussion for another time". Why haven't we had that discussion, yet, and fixed the weapon?

Granted, I know the first patch of the year is a light patch, but I was still expecting more balancing then this, since it's all just xml changes. At least some weapon balance is happening. It should happen every patch, no matter what.

[SFC174]

Nema Nabojiv, on 20 January 2018 - 10:04 AM, said:

Someone seriously using cerppc by now? Oh boy, they are probably the only weapons which produce more heat than damage and they seemingly have issues with hit registration.

There is an issue with up close hit registration. You don't want to be inside 150m against a fast, jumpy mech, else a shot straight on at the CT just....evaporates. I think it has something to do with weapon convergence myself, but can't prove it.

That said, the range and damage profile still make a 2xERPPC mech (HBK-IICA, HBR, SMN, etc.) a pretty wicked mid/long range gunner. I often play a 2xERPPC HBR because the ECM is great long range potato armor and it isn't hard to pump out 800-900 pt games on a regular basis. I also carry 4 ERSL as well for close in defense instead of a better TC or an extra heat sink, so I guess I'm better prepared for this nerf than some builds. But really the FLPPD at 1000m let's you seriously degrade enemy armor long before they get close to you.

[Luminis]

D V Devnull, on 20 January 2018 - 08:47 AM, said:

And now for a post aimed at far more than just this one person...

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Sorry to single you out and, well, it's probably not the best idea to answer after having a couple beers, but... Well, what was that line most Clan players used when Clans were clearly dominating FP? "It's the units, not the tech!"

Let's assume it is indeed true that this is the breaking point and the IS is, indeed, favoured (which I still contest, but it's honestly moot at this point), so ******* what? There was a relatively short period circa 2015 when the IS was overquirked and actually, obviously on top. That aside, Clans held all the advantages ever since their introduction.

I'd much rather have perfect balance too, but man, this Clan vicitm circle jerk is getting on my nerfs. IS 'Mechs where inferior for literal years and y'all are throwing a tantrum because Clan 'Mechs might be at a disadvantage for once? I say this as someone who's spent most of his time piloting Clan 'Mechs, who's most recent real money purchase was a Clan 'Mech and who's sported a Clan icon on these forums far longer than that Liao badge I have currently.

It's just beyond hypocritical how people are crying over these nerfs, threatening to leave, when we, as Clan focused players (yes, I'm including myself there, been part of it), have been spoiled by balance being lopsided in our favour for literal years. Move to the IS or just deal with being the inferior faction for once (if that's the case). I mean, what did y'all expect? Your Clan 'Mechs to be heads and shoulders above the competition forever?

Oh well, I guess I should be restraining myself from posting here lest I say something banworthy...

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And just to be clear: I don't think nerfing the cMPL or cERPPC was a great idea (should've nerfed the quirks on the SMN and WHK if the latter was an issue and the former, to me, seemed to be largely overshadowed by the cERML anyway), but the ~2% Heat Gen nerf, on the other hand...

Edited by Luminis, 20 January 2018 - 11:26 AM.

[bayoucowboy]

I will cry for my Assassin 21. She had a good run against those Hunchie 2's and 8 missile point Huntsman, she will miss the runs against the ridiculous mg Mystie's and Cheetah's, she will ignore the smaller than Commando and also ridiculous mg Piranha.

[Dago Red]

Dee Eight, on 20 January 2018 - 07:01 AM, said:

Likely due to builds that are JUST medium pulses on ebons, supernovas, MAD2Cs, linebackers, etc

I will admit that setup is one of only two Linbacker builds I don't hate the feel of.

But it was already only barely capable at medium poke range. If they're going to make it an outright IS style brawl weapon then it needs something to compensate for its loss of a role it already was hardly functional at performing.

And that's coming from a die hard FRR loyalist.

[Doctor Dinosaur]

I think there was enough flaming about the clan nerfs, so I will take another route by using constructivity:
-> Please give clan Snubs, too. That would really be great.

[Kalimaster]

Dear PGI--why do you hate the Clans so much. Do they overheat enough. STOP THE NERF! VOTE NOW!

[Jackal Noble]

Man, %$#@ this game and it's jenky $#@ patches. Weak.
Are you even trying, PGI?

5 seconds? On one hand better heat control by default, on the other, that's a long $#@ time to no shoot.

Keep nerfing Clan firepower and you're gonna end up with a bunch of glass cannons that can't even shoot

It's good to see the most nefarious of IS apologists got drawn here like flies to crap.

[GaelicWolf]

Credit to ElBandito.....still applies, god knows how many patches later.........Just play the game people.

[Flow5tate]

Main balance strategy since skill tree hit has been a leveling down everything OP. How about a change of culture and buff underrated features instead?

PS: Please restrain from nerfing brawl-oriented weaponry heading into Solaris....please.

[Mystere]

Arkhangel, on 19 January 2018 - 10:23 PM, said:

fact is, stuff's gonna change in an MMO whether you want it to or not. don't whine, just adapt and move on.

I am beginning to think this "stuff's gonna change in an MMO" line and other like it are nothing more that cheap excuses used to cover up somebody's utter lack of foresight and planning.

Edited by Mystere, 20 January 2018 - 12:34 PM.

[Mystere]

Falconer Cyrus, on 20 January 2018 - 12:22 AM, said:

> Clan ER PPC
> Cooldown increased to 5 (from 4.5).
Well, let's see what builds suffered from this and in which way?
1) Warhawk-Prime with 4 erPPC
- medium performance mech already limited by heat.
2) erPPC-Cat
- this poor thing have enough performance hits from PGI in the last 2 years. Once upon a time it was a mech funny to play. It is not already and PGI keep nerfing it.

What else?

They already have spent the money you paid for for those Mechs and as such want you to spend more on new stuff instead of endlessly playing your favorites.

[Mystere]

Kalimaster, on 20 January 2018 - 12:11 PM, said:

Dear PGI--why do you hate the Clans so much. Do they overheat enough. STOP THE NERF! VOTE NOW!

The best "vote" you can do is to stop spending money on MWO.

Edited by Mystere, 20 January 2018 - 01:06 PM.

[cougurt]

buff small pulse.

[TWIAFU]

Arrow 6, on 20 January 2018 - 12:29 PM, said:

Main balance strategy since skill tree hit has been a leveling down everything OP. How about a change of culture and buff underrated features instead?

PS: Please restrain from nerfing brawl-oriented weaponry heading into Solaris....please.

Just remove all clan tech and replace it with IS tech, just name it clan.

same values, same heat, same weight, duration, same everything.

Make it so Clan and IS is the very same. Balance! Nobody gets anything that is better, make it all the same.

ONLY difference between Clan and IS is HUD color, laser color, and how a mech looks.

Nobody can claim OP anymore.

Be done with it and end people crying that thier easier button is a little less easier.

[Y E O N N E]

Charles Sennet, on 20 January 2018 - 06:58 AM, said:

Add to this 50% of Faction Play forces close range confrontations which naturally favors IS anyway. Now Clans mid-range advantage is under attack. What will be left for Clans once this is gone (seems to be PGI's long-term goal)?

Did it ever occur to you that the mid-range game on the Clans is so strong that it's hurting everything else, including the short-range and extreme-range game for the Clans themselves?

If they whack the Clan mid-range game, they will have excuses to buff the short and extreme range. On the net, that is good, right?

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The optics here would have been much better if PGI had at least taken the long overdue (since CW tech release) step of equalizing tonnages in Scouting.

The optics might be better, but your group is the only one I see advocating for that. Others like JuJu's FW crew, EVIL, etc. say a reduction is needed, but not to the point of being the same. Usually it's a 5-10 ton reduction recommendation.

Charles Sennet, on 20 January 2018 - 06:58 AM, said:

-IS has the fastest mech in the game available for C-Bills (matters for domination, conquest, and scouting)
-IS has the lightest mech in the game available for C-Bills (matters for drop deck options)

There is no point in changing stats around to account for something that is literally on a timer and will fix the grievance when that timer runs out.

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-IS has the tankiest mechs in the game (matters for objective modes like Siege and Domination)
-IS has the only 120 mech in the game (ANH with quirks)

Fair point, reduce the tonnage and they will be chosen less. DWF and KDK could also use some help.

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-IS has the ability to fire 3 LL without ghost heat penalty (higher alpha-DPS at range)

Completely and totally irrelevant. How many times must you be shown the empirical evidence that the ghost heat doesn't reduce the output on the Clan version? Even after the heat nerf, 5x cERLL fired 3+2 will out-sustain 5x isERLL. Even 6x cERLL fired 3+3 will out-sustain 5x isERLL.

The bigger deal is that the Clans have no 'Mechs with 5x energy hardpoints mounted up high, which has nothing to do with heat and can't even be solved by messing with it. The BLR with 6x is the top ERLL range trader in the game despite having worse heat management than anything else doing something similar, and that's entirely because of its hardpoints.

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-IS has a better skill tree with higher values in key regions

Because they have equipment with lower values in key regions. Funny, that.

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-IS has the only 50 pinpoint alpha in the game

At 220-253 meters.

Distance matters. 750 meters 50+10 PPFLD, super broken. Shuts down everything. 50 PPFLD at 250 meters, niche status. Really good in a restricted range of situations. If you were to ask somebody like Writhenn, he'd say it wasn't quite enough of a buff (I am not sure I agree with that assessment, mind you...if it got to even 300 meters base range it would be very, very strong).

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-IS has much greater flexibility in weapons (RAC's, MRM's, Light Gauss,et al)

LGauss? Really? So now that LGauss has comparable DPS with a standard cGauss that weighs the same, but still only half the alpha, the flexibility of taking a Gauss that doesn't weigh 3 tons more for zero practical benefit over cGauss in exchange for one that is at-best equal to cGauss (I'm being generous) is somehow too good? I have spent a lot of time trying to make LGauss work. I can put up decent games with it, but the amount of work it takes is so much higher than UAC/2 or ERLL that it's not worth it and if your team doesn't hold you have no surge DPS to fall back on.

RACs...because cUAC DPS can't be matched with isUAC DPS. Not that I'd ever use a RAC.

MRMs...ATMs.

PPC family, because no one isPPC is equivalent to the cERPPC.

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-IS has 300 extra tons in FP and 20 tons in scouting

Yes, and this is the root of the problem. Cut down the IS tonnage advantage and spamming Annihilators is no longer worth it.

[Conner Ward]

If I did not love Clan Wolf so much, I would feel stupid for choosing to play Clans. The amount of heat that most Clan weapons generate causes Clan players to fire very infrequently and the damage that Clan weapons do in this game does not really compensate for this. I guess the point of all these nerfs is just to keep Clans in a "sniper" role where we fire a high-damage long range alpha and then hide for two or three minutes until we can do it again?

Edited by Conner Ward, 20 January 2018 - 01:09 PM.

[clan hope]

lazorbeamz, on 20 January 2018 - 06:33 AM, said:

tried using something other then the lasers?

yes i dont use lasers