51 replies to this topic

[gooddragon2]

Catten Hart, on 22 January 2018 - 06:38 PM, said:

You aren't fooling me, OP. I know you're just trying to get me to buy a Fafnir for that juicy Rear Armor.

30 points minimum on assaults. It's essential.

[Trenchbird]

gooddragon2, on 22 January 2018 - 06:53 PM, said:

30 points minimum on assaults. It's essential.

Maybe if you suck at positioning and have bad teammates. I get by with 10-15 just fine. Either way, I was joking.

[gooddragon2]

Catten Hart, on 22 January 2018 - 06:54 PM, said:

Maybe if you suck at positioning and have bad teammates. I get by with 10-15 just fine. Either way, I was joking.

Oh...

Disregard this build then:


And this unrelated one:

[LT. HARDCASE]

CuriousCabbitBlue, on 22 January 2018 - 06:16 PM, said:

you know you watch too much anime an stuff when you hear BL and think boy love

All of that yaoi is poisoning your mind fam.

Purify yourself.

gooddragon2, on 22 January 2018 - 07:10 PM, said:

Oh...

Disregard this build then:


And this unrelated one:

Your terrible mech building is legendary.

Edited by LT. HARDCASE, 22 January 2018 - 07:15 PM.

[Bud Crue]

Looks like the OP's refund was premature.

https://twitter.com/...612111278764032

Guess we should have expected this.

[gooddragon2]

LT. HARDCASE, on 22 January 2018 - 07:14 PM, said:

Your terrible mech building is legendary.

I know. I feel like I should help that one guy who posted about not being in tier 1. In fact...

Edited by gooddragon2, 22 January 2018 - 07:23 PM.

[Mystere]

Bud Crue, on 22 January 2018 - 07:15 PM, said:

Looks like the OP's refund was premature.

Or maybe, just maybe, his and others' refunds caused the change.

[Marquis De Lafayette]

This announcement is just another example of why I never want to sell mechs...I have seen too many FW tonnage changes, mech nerfs/buffs, etc....not to mention engine desyncing, skill tree, etc..You never know for sure what PGI is going to do...when they might announce it and how it will end up effecting a particular chassis future desirability.

[LT. HARDCASE]

gooddragon2, on 22 January 2018 - 07:16 PM, said:

I know. I feel like I should help that one guy who posted about not being in tier 1. In fact...

Your abject stubbornness and resistance to genuine advice keeps you from being the endearing joke character you want to be seen as.

[Trenchbird]

LT. HARDCASE, on 22 January 2018 - 07:42 PM, said:

Your abject stubbornness and resistance to genuine advice keeps you from being the endearing joke character you want to be seen as.

I dunno-he did improve his Raven by quite a bit. Still not what I'd do with it, but it's a decent start. (It's mostly the streaks).

Either way, with how bad the original 3X Small Laser+Massive Targcomp originally was, I'd say trying to salvage any good rep by at least being humorous about it is the right way to go.

Edited by Catten Hart, 22 January 2018 - 07:55 PM.

[justcallme A S H]

Those who think SCOUTING IS A GOOD MODE

REJOICE - You get 55T now.

[Lukoi Banacek]

double digit back armor......

[Jonathan8883]

Real people actually use Twitter? I didn't realize that was a thing outside the weird coastal/hyperurban media bubbles.

Will they announce that on the forum?

Also: I didn't realize the BL had both MASC and ECM. I like my Shadow Cat, and the BL goes even faster. I may have to pick one up at some point.

[InvictusLee]

pattonesque, on 22 January 2018 - 06:20 PM, said:

lmao they just moved the scouting cap up to 55 tons for clans

I said D'Oh!

CuriousCabbitBlue, on 22 January 2018 - 06:16 PM, said:

you know you watch too much anime an stuff when you hear BL and think boy love

STOP. WATCHING. YAOI. PORN.

The Lighthouse, on 22 January 2018 - 06:24 PM, said:

Yeah, such irony.

Though you really should not use Black Lanner on Scouting anyway...

Ya know. Just replace your fast mech for capping with the BL and suddenly your winning alot more through the sheer fact that you have ALOT of armor.

Catten Hart, on 22 January 2018 - 06:38 PM, said:

You aren't fooling me, OP. I know you're just trying to get me to buy a Fafnir for that juicy Rear Armor.

.... I mean.. i DO OWN ALL TEH PIRANANNNAAAHHSSS

Bud Crue, on 22 January 2018 - 07:15 PM, said:

Looks like the OP's refund was premature.

https://twitter.com/...612111278764032

Guess we should have expected this.

I expected it, and when it didnt happen, I hit the eject button. I dont regret it.

Jonathan8883, on 22 January 2018 - 08:26 PM, said:

Real people actually use Twitter? I didn't realize that was a thing outside the weird coastal/hyperurban media bubbles.

Will they announce that on the forum?

Also: I didn't realize the BL had both MASC and ECM. I like my Shadow Cat, and the BL goes even faster. I may have to pick one up at some point.

SEE. THATS WHAT IM SAYIN. Shadowcats do alright in Scouting. Add more armor and speed and suddenly we have a winner!!

[PocketYoda]

Man they could have 100 tons in scouting and it would still be garbage... Scouting means the action of gathering information about enemy forces or an area. not brawling in 55 ton mechs... Pretty sure quickplay is for that..


PGI have no idea what scouting means apparently..

Edited by Samial, 22 January 2018 - 09:51 PM.

[InvictusLee]

Samial, on 22 January 2018 - 09:50 PM, said:

Man they could have 100 tons in scouting and it would still be garbage... Scouting means the action of gathering information about enemy forces or an area. not brawling in 55 ton mechs... Pretty sure quickplay is for that..


PGI have no idea what scouting means apparently..

Even if you removed all weapons from scouting mechs, I'm pretty sure people would still try to collide into eachother as a means of causing damage...

[WrathOfDeadguy]

No matter what the objective conditions are, as the game is built right now scouting is always going to turn into a speedbrawl. If the defenders are doing their jobs even halfassedly well, then the attackers will have to fight them to complete the mission. On the other side, if the attackers seek and destroy the defenders before completing their objectives, then they are free to finish the mission unopposed after the enemy is defeated.

Add that to the rewards model, which is so heavily biased towards damage as to be laughable (even in skirmish, it's silly- the most rewarding kills should be the most efficient ones- headshots, rear CT kills- not the ones where you've obliterated everything on the enemy 'Mech worth salvaging)... and what you get is zero incentive to play to the objectives. The only time anyone does it is when they don't think they stand a chance against the enemy team, or when they want to troll during a damage/kill event.

There are several things that would need to happen for scouting to stop being a speedbrawl every time:

- Increase defenders' drop tonnage or lower attackers' drop tonnage to discourage attackers from seeking direct confrontation, except as a diversion or stalling tactic.
- Make the intel objectives more interesting than timed capture beacons. Make them things you need to scout for, as in find, target, and scan. MFBs, command vehicles, dropships, whatever.
- Increase objective rewards until playing for the intel yields higher profits than fighting the defenders.
- Give attackers alternate means of hampering the defenders, whatever form that might take.
- Disable KDR stat tracking in scouting, because if the attackers are discouraged from fighting then they will tend to accumulate more deaths than kills.

Edited by WrathOfDeadguy, 22 January 2018 - 11:05 PM.

[Khobai]

scoutmode should require 2 mediums and 2 lights

that would get rid of crap like 4 bushwhackers and bring lights back to the gamemode

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Unless it has absolutely ridiculous quirks, both offensive and defensive, the Black Lanner is going to be terrible in every mode, not just Scouting (even if they allowed 55 ton Clan mechs in Scouting). This is absolutely a mech which will need to be absurdly overquirked in order for it to not be a slow light mech with a bit more armor than usual.

masc needs to be buffed too. they need to double the duration of masc.

Edited by Khobai, 23 January 2018 - 12:19 AM.

[El Bandito]

Khobai, on 23 January 2018 - 12:17 AM, said:

scoutmode should require 2 mediums and 2 lights

that would get rid of crap like 4 bushwhackers and bring lights back to the gamemode

Watch as Clanners cry about the Wolfhound too.

[Khobai]

at least wolfhounds dont have timberwolf health