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[JC Daxion]

While i will not say my build was optimal, and more i'm just trying something.. It was a cyclopes, I forget which one, but it was an LPL+MRM build.. Not bad on paper, so i figured i would try it out. It's basically an MRM30+2 lpl's, instead of adding the HUGE 360 engine, i dropped it down a few tons for a total of 3 KPH, but added a BAP and a SSRM 6 with a half ton. It was basically a build for the piranha invasion that was coming in a couple days and i wanted to play around with it. (still never played it in QP verse the invasion cause i swapped over to Clans and been leveling with premium) But that is really not the point.


The point is at the end of the match i had some tool ranting on my build just giving wrong facts. His main point was, What is wrong with you using an MRM10+20, when a 30 is far better!!!

I tried to talk to him in game and say why, but he would have none of that.. then harped on my single SSRM6, which hey, ok.. maybe i should just up the engine, but like i said above that 3KPH verse some light protection with paper armor might be worth it. We all are not rockstars when it comes to aim, but more importantly, its amazing how a good comp makes your aim far better than one that is 5+ years old but i digress, at any rate it was extra damage with out hitbox enlargement for a 3 KPH trade.


20+10 because 1 heat in your opinion is so much worse than having your MRM 30 stagger fire? Or 3 KPH might be worth not bloating your left torso with a giant hit box, and just adding a streak 6.. though honestly for short range and more damage that SRM6 would probably be a better option.


at any rate.. My whole point of this post is to not defend a build, its to say if your gonna rage on someones build, at least know what the hell you are talking about..


but hey, if you have a great 2 LPL + mrm 30 or 40 build,, what is it?

[Lil Cthulhu]

If someone is going to rage about how another player has built their mech, that someone should probably uninstall MWO and stick to single player endeavors.

[Seranov]

I mean, that build sounds awful, and it doesn't sound to me that he's actually wrong about anything.

That said, it's not his mech, so don't sweat what he has to say about it. But do consider listening to some of the advice he tried to give, because he was likely actually trying to help.

[Bombast]

I... wait, what? Are you the one saying MRM10+20s will stagger fire, or was it the other guy? Why an SSRM6 and BAP when you could increase your MRM rack size? How many LPLs, because an MRM30 is hilariously pathetic in a Cyclops?

This is just... what?

Edited by Bombast, 04 February 2018 - 04:22 PM.

[JC Daxion]

Seranov, on 04 February 2018 - 04:16 PM, said:

I mean, that build sounds awful, and it doesn't sound to me that he's actually wrong about anything.

That said, it's not his mech, so don't sweat what he has to say about it. But do consider listening to some of the advice he tried to give, because he was likely actually trying to help.

Sp 3 KPH and -1 less heat with stagger fire mrm's is where you want to place the side of being right? No it's not meta.. but it is a 50 point alpha that can keep on going in an assault with good speed and mobility.

the funny part in that match i had the highest score on the team.. was the only person on the front line, and had a few kills along with every assist on the enemy team.. yet my mech was bringing the team down? I actually average pretty solid damage in this mech as well

Bombast, on 04 February 2018 - 04:22 PM, said:

I... wait, what? Are you the one saying MRM10+20s will stagger fire, or was it the other guy? Why an SSRM6 and BAP when you could increase your MRM rack size? How many LPLs, because an MRM30 is hilariously pathetic in a Cyclops?

This is just... what?

Because i did not want to make that giant rack on the shoulder.. because adding a mrm 10 or 20 would do that as it adds a huge hitbox, and tube count makes the 30 stagger, not the 10+20

and yes, i have another that has a larger MRM count.. but that is not the point. the point is, don't rant when you have facts completely wrong.

again the mech is a 50+ point damage alpha mech that has some pin-point, verse MRM vomit.

Edited by JC Daxion, 04 February 2018 - 04:34 PM.

[Bohxim]

JC Daxion, on 04 February 2018 - 04:04 PM, said:

but hey, if you have a great 2 LPL + mrm 30 or 40 build,, what is it?

A potential candidate.
How about an archer 2R. Mrm 20,mrm 10 (total 30) +4 tonnes ammo, 2 lpl (1 high torso mount and 1 arm, which is enough to shoot down a uav) lfe 300 for 69 kph 16 total dhs

[Champion of Khorne Lord of Blood]

Someone told me my dual AC2 cyclops wasn't a good build once. I outdamaged him during that match even though I died 1v4ing an Annhilator, Dire Wolf, Timber Wolf, and Wolfhound VALIANTLY.

[Champion of Khorne Lord of Blood]

Also can we get a smurfy of your build?

[Bombast]

JC Daxion, on 04 February 2018 - 04:22 PM, said:

Because i did not want to make that giant rack on the shoulder.. because adding a mrm 10 or 20 would do that as it adds a huge hitbox, and tube count makes the 30 stagger, not the 10+20

...I'm confused. What exactly do you mean by 'stagger?' MRM10/20/30s have the same cooldown and stream durations that are so close that the difference doesn't matter.

[FupDup]

Bombast, on 04 February 2018 - 04:34 PM, said:

...I'm confused. What exactly do you mean by 'stagger?' MRM10/20/30s have the same cooldown and stream durations that are so close that the difference doesn't matter.

Aren't the stream durations actually identical for all Murm launchers?

[Champion of Khorne Lord of Blood]

FupDup, on 04 February 2018 - 04:36 PM, said:

Aren't the stream durations actually identical for all Murm launchers?

They're supposed to be, yes.

[Bombast]

FupDup, on 04 February 2018 - 04:36 PM, said:

Aren't the stream durations actually identical for all Murm launchers?

They're supposed to be, but they aren't. PGI knows about it.

Juju showed me the math for the actual times, but I can't seem to actually find it. It's minimal to the extreme though. Wont matter in an actual match.

Edited by Bombast, 04 February 2018 - 04:43 PM.

[Seranov]

JC Daxion, on 04 February 2018 - 04:22 PM, said:

Sp 3 KPH and -1 less heat with stagger fire mrm's is where you want to place the side of being right?

I sure do. A single MRM30 is always a better choice than a single MRM20 and a single MRM10. If Dakota can wreck face in a 2x AC2 Cyclops, it is possible to do well in any mech with any loadout. It is, however, much easier to do well when you bring a loadout that isn't hamstrung by poor decisions.

Now, if the guy was shouting at you like a jerk, then he's definitely just being an *******. But if he was genuinely trying to assist you, which could very well have been the case, all you've done is make yourself the jerk, instead.

-e-

Spoiler

Also, I grabbed screenshots, the MRM20 and MRM30 actually have the exact same hitbox, assuming you used the CT missile hardpoint that literally all Cyclops have.

Edited by Seranov, 04 February 2018 - 05:00 PM.

[Christophe Ivanov]

JC Daxion, on 04 February 2018 - 04:04 PM, said:

While i will not say my build was optimal, and more i'm just trying something.. It was a cyclopes, I forget which one, but it was an LPL+MRM build.. Not bad on paper, so i figured i would try it out. It's basically an MRM30+2 lpl's, instead of adding the HUGE 360 engine, i dropped it down a few tons for a total of 3 KPH, but added a BAP and a SSRM 6 with a half ton. It was basically a build for the piranha invasion that was coming in a couple days and i wanted to play around with it. (still never played it in QP verse the invasion cause i swapped over to Clans and been leveling with premium) But that is really not the point.


The point is at the end of the match i had some tool ranting on my build just giving wrong facts. His main point was, What is wrong with you using an MRM10+20, when a 30 is far better!!!

I tried to talk to him in game and say why, but he would have none of that.. then harped on my single SSRM6, which hey, ok.. maybe i should just up the engine, but like i said above that 3KPH verse some light protection with paper armor might be worth it. We all are not rockstars when it comes to aim, but more importantly, its amazing how a good comp makes your aim far better than one that is 5+ years old but i digress, at any rate it was extra damage with out hitbox enlargement for a 3 KPH trade.


20+10 because 1 heat in your opinion is so much worse than having your MRM 30 stagger fire? Or 3 KPH might be worth not bloating your left torso with a giant hit box, and just adding a streak 6.. though honestly for short range and more damage that SRM6 would probably be a better option.


at any rate.. My whole point of this post is to not defend a build, its to say if your gonna rage on someones build, at least know what the hell you are talking about..


but hey, if you have a great 2 LPL + mrm 30 or 40 build,, what is it?

Yup know that feeling, Just today I had some clown tell me my Dire Wolf was a walking coffin and I should not even be out there exposing my mech against enemy fire.

Really? Well I suppose I could sit behind a boulder and cower down and hope to live through this match eh? But then again, I'll get blamed for not sharing my armor and fighting for the team.

So like the rest of the folks who have nothing better to do then whine because they are either already dead or just because they have no respect for other MWO players.

Lastly, IT'S A GAME....G A M E. Got it? It's made to be FUN and if you get too emotional about it and start trying to bully other players, then maybe they need to stop playing.

On to your build,

My advice is just ignore players that are not offering anything useful and as for your builds, try what YOU think is good. Why? You'll learn now certain builds work and not work, learn how different weapon systems work together and not. YOU are your best teacher and yes it's nice to have some feedback as long as it's constructive.

Good luck!

Edited by Christophe Ivanov, 04 February 2018 - 04:55 PM.

[Red Shrike]

Lil Cthulhu, on 04 February 2018 - 04:13 PM, said:

If someone is going to rage about how another player has built their mech, that someone should probably uninstall MWO and stick to single player endeavors.

My builds would give some meta players heart attacks, and I always secretly hope someone speaks up about them so I can tell them to shove it where the sun don't shine.

[JediPanther]

You really can't rant at any spider 5v. That mech is just made of suck.

[InvictusLee]

All the time.
Those idiots Die.
I survive.
Match ends.
I move on.

[50 50]

JC Daxion, on 04 February 2018 - 04:04 PM, said:

While i will not say my build was optimal, and more i'm just trying something.

This is the most important line.

[PocketYoda]

Ignore them, play how you like to play.. Its a game before anything else.

[JC Daxion]

FupDup, on 04 February 2018 - 04:36 PM, said:

Aren't the stream durations actually identical for all Murm launchers?

No because if you don't have the tubes, they stagger.. MRM 20 is the max limit on a cyclopes, so that means if you have a 30, they fire 20 then 10. If you have a 20 and 10 launcher, they all fire at the same time. They are the exact same weight, and re-fire, the only difference is the +1 heat..

which is the entire point of the post..



BUT FYI,


The build i was playing with for anti PIR drop, It uses the BAP+a bit of sensor tree for max radar range and a bit more on the weapons side with skill tree

http://mwo.smurfy-ne...1744acf84784d45



This is the normal build for the mech, it has a bit more movement nodes and speed, so it really can run around 5KPH faster.

http://mwo.smurfy-ne...9dba331a0b125f2


the mech is basically what i call a long brawl mech.. Yes SRM's are a bit better but that means you must close to under 300m, which is hard to do in most pugs in my experience.

JediPanther, on 04 February 2018 - 05:37 PM, said:

You really can't rant at any spider 5v. That mech is just made of suck.

i actually love the large pulse build on that mech. It's really to bad you can't zombie it with an STD engine though.. If only mechs didn't need extra heatsinks to get to 10! 1 LPL doesn't need 10!