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[Armored Yokai]

The Catapult, Jagermech, and the Thunderbolt are all the other 65 tonners but when compared to the Roughneck they are all too weak and easily killed like nothing.

The other 3 65 ton battlemechs all had their shine back then until newer mechs came out or they were hit with the nerf bat, I feel like they could use a tremendous buff because when they go against the Cauldron-Borns,Loki's and Linebackers they are sure to lose because they have huge hitboxes that have little to no armor buffs and the Clan ERLL/HLL/MPL/SRM will just tear them apart.

The Catapult is a favorite of mine (even when it's bad) because it can mount double MRM40s and unleash a barrage of missiles that function like a shotgun and just shred armor off if you manage to live long enough, BUT then there's this Hellbringer with x2 HLL and 4 mpl that just leaves the cover and says "tehee i'm clan" and BLAM my arm just goes off even when i torso twist and i'm just sitting there all sad because of how the arm is so big and it only has 46 armor.
Catapult needs 20-30 armor on each arm with 10-16 armor on each side torso

The Jagermech is a classic Ballistics boat that isn't strong as it used to be and the torso is just a big barn door that can easily be blown up, and as a counter for this issue i say it should get 18-25 armor on each torso location with 20-30% UAC jam.

The Thunderbolt i never really liked this mech but i feel like it should be returned to the original stats it had or just get 25-35 armor on each side torso.

The Roughneck change all structure quirks into armor buffs because bonus structure wont save your weapons from getting removed.


TL&DR
I.S 65 tonners are weak compared to the roughneck and there should be more variety instead of just the roughneck, Clan 65 tonners are strong and need to be able to be beaten by the other 3 I.S 65 tonners and so need buffs to counteract them.

[N0ni]

Catapult A1/K2/Jester/Butterbee, Boomjager/Gaussjager/UACJager, Thunderbolt 9SE/Top Nep are imo much better than a Roughneck.

The best defense is a good offense.

[Kuaron]

Most of the 65 t IS Mechs are good.
No idea about the Jagermecht, though, I just don't have one.

[Nameless King]

Not sure what you are talking about, the Thunderbolt is the best IS 65 ton mech.

[Jun Watarase]

The roughneck having more HP than assaults is not the baseline. Its above the baseline by a massive margin. Obviously if you look at somethig as ridiculous as that, everything else sucks in comparison.

Its like saying most other assaults suck compared to the Battlemaster. Well, yes, but thats because the battlemaster pretty much invalidates every other assault because of how good it is. Literally every other assault is worse if you want to run laser vomit. You can run laser vomit zeus or stalkers but they dont come close to matching the battlemaster.

Just like how the cyclops is the best for SRM assaults and how the sleipir is the best if you want a 4x UAC 5 assault and how the annihilator is the best 100 tonner in the game at the moment.

if you want to use something for a comparison of good, look at the thunderbolt (great hitboxes, shield arms, quirks) or the jagermech (amazing for ballistics, decent hitboxes but no shield arms).

The catapault though is quite sad. Huge side torsos with no compensating durability quriks (great logic there PGI), easy to shoot off ears, easy to blind cockpit because its located right smack in the CT...

I really really dont get the logic where PGI takes a mech with great hitboxes + shield arms and gives it tons of durability quirks, while mechs with huge side torsos like the catapault or stalker get NOTHING...

Its like giving a millionaire welfare checks instead of the poor. WTF is the point?

Edited by Jun Watarase, 21 November 2017 - 04:45 PM.

[AncientRaig]

The Thud is still and always will be a solid machine. Even for grognards like me who like to run stupid builds for the hell of it. I haven't run a Roughneck, but I see Thuds more often than I see Roughnecks so.. They definitely wouldn't be hurt by some extra armor, and they had some of their durability taken away when they increased the size of the CT hitbox a good while back, but they're still solid machines. Even the 5S.

[MechaBattler]

Could always give us back a little bit of those offensive quirks they curtailed? Even just 5% to each of them would be nice to breath some life into these mechs. 5% heat reduction is nice. But when IS mechs can't even fit as many dubs it's not quite good enough imo.

[JC Daxion]

Well i did buy a roughneck a bit back at the last sale and have not played it.. But i can say the jester and TDR 5ss are both very strong IS heavies. jagers are decent with a few builds. Black Knights, the partisan and the 6 is it are also very nice. War hammer 6R is another very solid mech. Even the cataphracts work these days in tight brawling which can be lots of fun.

[Y E O N N E]

I prefer the offensive capabilities of the Catapult to the hitpoints of the Roughneck. The Thud is a better blend of both firepower and durability.

The only Roughneck worth a look is the 3A with the high mounted energy. It can abuse the armor to make better trades than its firepower would suggest, but only until it is gone.

[ScrapIron Prime]

The Roughneck 2A is solid. AC/10 in one shoulder, MRM30 in the other, 3 ML centerline, and a light or standard engine. For everything else, however, there is the Thunderbolt.

Plus... the Thunderbolt has it's own theme song.

https://youtu.be/QVBAeS5t5ncc

Edited by ScrapIron Prime, 21 November 2017 - 10:15 PM.

[N0ni]

ScrapIron Prime, on 21 November 2017 - 10:14 PM, said:

Plus... the Thunderbolt has it's own theme song.

https://youtu.be/QVBAeS5t5ncc

If i could double like your post i would.

[davoodoo]

cplt k2, best is ppc sniper.
ctplt a1/c4 best is missile boats in that tonnage bracket.

Thats just 2 mechs i own.

Edited by davoodoo, 21 November 2017 - 10:27 PM.

[Honeybadgers]

Tell that to my twin AC20 K2. Or my AC20 twin snub K2. Or my chainsaw ilya muromets. Or my UAC2/5 dragon. Or my twin LPL 4x MG rifleman.

Or any of the marauder or warhammer variants.

Or the boomjager.

Or a good Orion build. Or a good quickdraw. Or thunderbolt.

You have a ton of great heavies. I honestly prefer almost every single IS heavy to my clan mechs with the possible exception of my orion 2c2, which is the only one that can brawl properly.

[MechaBattler]

Maybe what we need is a Thunderbolt with ECM to better match against the Hellbringer. Preferably with the right kind of quirks for trading with it. ;o

[Oldbob10025]

Been doing great in a boom hammer

[N0ni]

MechaBattler, on 21 November 2017 - 10:48 PM, said:

Maybe what we need is a Thunderbolt with ECM to better match against the Hellbringer.

The only Thunderbolts with ECM are:

• TDR-11SE (Jihad, 3069)
  
• TDR-17S (Jihad, 3070)
  
• TDR-7SE (Civil War, 3067)
  
• TDR-9NAIS (Civil War, 3067)
  
• TDR-9Nr (Jihad, 3072)

Close, but not quite there yet.

[MechaBattler]

N0ni, on 21 November 2017 - 10:58 PM, said:

The only Thunderbolts with ECM are:

• TDR-11SE (Jihad, 3069)
  
• TDR-17S (Jihad, 3070)
  
• TDR-7SE (Civil War, 3067)
  
• TDR-9NAIS (Civil War, 3067)
  
• TDR-9Nr (Jihad, 3072)

Close, but not quite there yet.

I figured. Do we have any alternatives? Even if there are. What are the odds they'll have comparably good hardpoints?

I suppose they could get away with adding an ECM Roughneck. With the energy variant's hard points :3

Edited by MechaBattler, 21 November 2017 - 11:03 PM.

[Oldbob10025]

The Marauder is a AWESOME mech that can stand tons of punishment.. The warhammer and the thunderbolt are my goto mechs for heavy's on the Inner Sphere side

[N0ni]

MechaBattler, on 21 November 2017 - 11:02 PM, said:

Do we have any alternatives? Even if there are. What are the odds they'll have comparably good hardpoints?

Well there's the JM7 series of Jagers, specifically the JM7-F with a LT ECM, 2 CT Energy and 1 Ballistic per arm (Civil War, 3062)

Otherwise, the JM6-H comes with 1 energy/ballistic per arm and 3 missile hardpoints per side torso (comes stock with 3 Rocket 15s per side, Civil War 3064).

As far as Catapults go, we already have the good ones besides the CPLT-C2 which combines the jumpjets and LRM15s of the C1 with 1 LB2-X in each side torso (Civil War, 3062) and the CPLT-H2 with 2 CT energy, 1 energy / 1 missile left arm, 3 missile right arm, 2 missile left and right torso + jumpjets (Civil War 3064.

[Jackal Noble]

N0ni, on 21 November 2017 - 10:24 PM, said:

If i could double like your post i would.

just quote it twice, then like yourself.