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[tokumboh]

tker 669, on 06 February 2018 - 10:27 PM, said:

Calling them 'people' is very generous of you.

I'll take that as a joke

;-)

Asym, on 06 February 2018 - 10:19 PM, said:

It's still in the game because it costs money, staff and time to remove it and PGI doesn't have it to spend. NOR, would they ever actually listen to their customers.......after all, you'all keep buying any and everything they offer so, in their opinion, all is well....

I am sure if they wanted to they could reduce the amount it comes up, they do that regularly when we have new maps for example.

However I think the problem is not the game mode, as poorly executed as is it but the player base that appears to favour kills and damage over everything. To the point when people are grinding C bills they still don't chose Conquest which would net the the most as a example of the this not really being the thinking persons shooter.

I have seen escort games where given the choice of shooting and enemy far away or the VIP mech closer and in the open a player basically decided to shoot the player, I have watched a defending team camp at the citiadel in River City while the VIP mech strolled across the bridge (I was in that game trying to defend the VIP mech from 6 other mechs in a wolfhound with a MAD-IIC by my side )
I have seen a team (luckily I was in that team) run round the back of the Forest and get get a kill on the VIP with just two of the team getting killed. Strategy on escort is interesting it is harder in PUGs and you are limited by the sometimes stupid routes the VIP takes for example it appears not to care that it is walking into an ambush but neither does the defensive team most of the time.

You can play chess like chess or you can play it like you would checkers. sometimes we just cannot blames the game we should really blame the players

[iLLcapitan]

You guys, arguing in favor of this goddamnn stupid mode are sick, SICK.

Also, you keep referring to the effin VIP as AI - you tools, its just a big target on RAILS. And those rails always lead straight to ****** positions. **** this ****

[aardappelianen]

I alway vote escort so these threads keep popping up and that someday pgi will read these threads

[PocketYoda]

iLLcapitan, on 07 February 2018 - 02:42 AM, said:

You guys, arguing in favor of this goddamnn stupid mode are sick, SICK.

Also, you keep referring to the effin VIP as AI - you tools, its just a big target on RAILS. And those rails always lead straight to ****** positions. **** this ****

Its just a word to describe it, try explaining its an on rails bot to a new person... And stop with the salt it'll lead you to an early heart attack.. Decaf..

Edited by Samial, 07 February 2018 - 04:33 AM.

[Phoolan Devi]

It is a great mode and I really love it!

I only have one minor issue with it........the radar stations shouldn't give locks to lurms/atms! (as any secondary shoukdn't......lurms and atms should be los only...but that is another topic)

Everything else about it is fine!

[_Casper_]

I wish we had long tom in Escort. I am pretty sure the mode would be the best mode ever if we had such a thing in it. But i love it like it is. With advanced tactics it is eazypeazy to wreck the enemy team. Most ppl just do not understand how to play the mode. Escort is for thinking men and better than just plain shooting big stompy robots in a mech based arena shooter. My xl lurm atlas is painted the same way the vip is. It is so awesome to fool the enemy team and crush it with a shower of lrms. Gotcha!
Escort is the best. Even better than the fantastic Incursion mode which guarantees exciting gameplay and intersessting matches. Last time on Incursion i walked for 8minutes on Polar. It was awesome and a pretty close game but the enemy killed our base just as we reached their base. No mechs were hurt in the playing of this match. I was so excited that my sweaty fingers nearly slipped off the w button. Awesome!

[Racerxintegra2k]

Escort is still here for the same reason Long Tom stayed as long as it did ... to make people leave the game in a fit of rage.

[vettie]

iLLcapitan, on 07 February 2018 - 02:42 AM, said:

You guys, arguing in favor of this goddamnn stupid mode are sick, SICK.

Also, you keep referring to the effin VIP as AI - you tools, its just a big target on RAILS. And those rails always lead straight to ****** positions. **** this ****

Tell us how you really feel (and dont hold back)

[Michal R]

And tell me PGI, why this game have 15 minutes duration time but clever Atlas go to drop zone in 7 minutes?
WHY!

[Funky Bacon]

Michal R, on 07 February 2018 - 07:46 AM, said:

And tell me PGI, why this game have 15 minutes duration time but clever Atlas go to drop zone in 7 minutes?
WHY!

cause you can leg him? I'm not sure how much that actually slows him down considering how slow he already is.

[iLLcapitan]

**** bloody Escort such a waste of ******* ******, Incursion ************ *** in hell - ******** love it because they love to ***** the ******* fight.

(added some additional * for extra verve)

[Bombast]

iLLcapitan, on 07 February 2018 - 02:42 AM, said:

Also, you keep referring to the effin VIP as AI - you tools, its just a big target on RAILS. And those rails always lead straight to ****** positions. **** this ****

Hilariously, it would actually be better if the VIP was on rails. Unfortunately, it's not, so it can do weird things, like spinning in place or getting stuck on mountains.

[Tom Sawyer]

PGI is missing a vast chance to sell mechpacks with this mode. Slap a sandwich board on that Atlas and it could market the current mechpack or dodgy deal PGI wants to pedal. Heck throw a "warhorn" on it and it could spout off BUY THIS or PGI KNOWS BEST..........

[PurplePuke]

I really like Escort. I vote for it all the time. Some of the most fun games of MWO I've ever played have been Escort.

The usual complaints about it are that:

• The VIP is dumb.
  
• The Escorting team doesn't know the VIP's route in advance.

I don't really care about either of those complaints.

I like Escort because it tries to force MWO players to try different things. Especially when attacking.
There are opportunities in Escort to try different things, but most people would rather piss and moan than actually try anything. It forces a team to try to work together, which I like.

I also like Escort because it brings some variety into the game. I always vote for Escort, until finally my multiplier goes up high enough, and one or two other players vote for it, that it finally gets selected. If it's not a choice in the voting screen, I don't bother voting.

That's the only way it ever gets played. Taking it out would just make the game that much more stale.

Also, just because people complain about it on the forums doesn't mean everyone hates it. People ***** and complain on gaming forums all the time, doesn't mean much.

[A1Ste4kSauce]

I tend to enjoy escort games. Seen plenty of matches where both teams fight tooth and nail and it comes out really close. You see a lot more tactics on it as well, with defenders running screens on flanks or in front of the vip. Incursion and assault if anything are more broken, just skirmish+ modes. I'd like to see a VIP trail implemented though, and get rid of the ecm points.

[blood4blood]

Nostalgia - VIP's pathing reminds me of my lancemates from MW4 single-player mode. That's the best thing I can say about Escort, and no, it's not a complement.

As for it being a more thoughtful mode, no, I really disagree, the most effective strategies are obvious, just not used often.

Defense: "the best defense is a good offense" = don't escort the VIP unless you're in a slow assault that can't move faster anyway. Instead, use the radar advantage, get in front of your VIP, find the enemy and wipe them out before they find your VIP. If you just escort your VIP, you're allowing the enemy team to find it (and you) while still in fresh mechs at full strength, basically turning it into a Skirmish game that has to move along with the idiot VIP, severely hampering your ability to use terrain and tactics as you could in other game modes, and forcing you to "armor share" to protect the VIP. Better to just go fight in the first place.

Offense: Once the VIP is found, everyone shoot the VIP. Imagine a team of hunters on safari, but hunting a cow in a pasture since the VIP is so slow. Not hard, just boring as hell, and pretty much no PUG team I've ever seen has the fire discipline to do it when they could PvP enemy players instead. And that to me is really the greatest flaw to the game mode - PvP is simply more fun, and we play MWO for PvP, not to shoot cows (i.e., PvE against the VIP).

[Mystere]

MrMadguy, on 06 February 2018 - 10:03 PM, said:

Because PGI uses it to force other game mode: that's why it always comes in pair with Incursion or Conquest. Reason, why it's being voted for sometimes? Noobs don't know, what it is or, that is more likely, you know, just for lulz - some people just like to troll others. And it's actually lottery - ending on attacker side means free win. Some people like to risk.

It's only a free win to those who refuse to think .... in a "thinking person's shooter".

[Metus regem]

meteorol, on 06 February 2018 - 12:30 PM, said:

The bigger question is not why it is "still" in the game, but why it is in the game at all.

The answer to that would be neckbearded grognards with nostalgia goggles hoping for a SP experience they will never get from a multiplayer FPS.

Yea....no.

Most of us older players, or those with an understanding of how VIP escort works in real life were saying "NO! ABORT! AVOID!!!"

What happened was, players that like that mode from TF2 wanted it, thought it would be a good idea, no matter how many times they were warned that it would suck, they sat behind their keyboards and called those of us that tried to be the voice of reason, were idiots that didn't know what we were talking about... Yet now they are saying that the mode they wanted and asked for tanks....

[Lanzman]

If it's a choice between Escort and Conquest, and I'm not in a light 'mech, I pick Escort. Given how the various game modes usually play out, it's just no fun trying to kill red doritos in Conquest and then losing because no-one on your team could be bothered to cap.

[ANOM O MECH]

tokumboh, on 07 February 2018 - 01:54 AM, said:

I'll take that as a joke

It isn't a joke. Players farming multipliers to force the majority into playing garbage are trolls, not people.