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[PocketYoda]

Playing MWO is no longer fun when mechs can alpha over 100 damage instantly with lasers.. I have no idea what this mech was but he had at least 10 large lasers ( Light blue colored) and well we die to one alpha..

How can a mech not Assault even alpha over 100 damage and not lock down, how is a game company allowing this to continue...

I was barely scratched and dead in an instant, i have no idea what the mech was (i did see it fire, it hit me in my chest area) but it wasn't an Assault (too small) pretty sure it was a clan heavy...

Laser boating alpha BS has ruined this.. Needs fixing asap. please.


Edit
Talking in chat after i calmed down last mission people are saying it was a supernova but it seemed too small.. even if i miscalculated 10 large lasers isn't 7 or 8 too many? Imo the point still stands alphas are too high..

Edited by Samial, 08 February 2018 - 06:03 AM.

[whiskeyblue]

I WISH I could alpha that high in my Ebon Jaguar with its PPCs.. Smack em full on in the torso and i'm lucky to get 20 damage.. Of course i cant afford to add skills either so that may have something to do with it..

[PocketYoda]

whiskeyblue, on 08 February 2018 - 01:23 AM, said:

I WISH I could alpha that high in my Ebon Jaguar with its PPCs.. Smack em full on in the torso and i'm lucky to get 20 damage.. Of course i cant afford to add skills either so that may have something to do with it..

It was just a mass of blue lasers, and dead.. Kinda makes playing anything slow under heavy level pointless.

[UnofficialOperator]

Samial, on 08 February 2018 - 01:30 AM, said:

It was just a mass of blue lasers, and dead.. Kinda makes playing anything slow under heavy level pointless.

[Redacted]

Edited by Tina Benoit, 08 February 2018 - 05:19 PM.
Unconstructive

[Reverend Herring]

100 alpha sounds like a trollish glass cannon build to me since the ghost heat on Llasers is quite fierce. Also, what mech were you running?

[Johnathan Von Tanner]

Samial, on 08 February 2018 - 01:09 AM, said:

How can a mech not Assault even alpha over 100 damage and not lock down, how is a game company allowing this to continue...

Hey man, Balance dont sell mech packs.

[El Bandito]

Samial, on 08 February 2018 - 01:09 AM, said:

Playing MWO is no longer fun when mechs can alpha over 100 damage instantly with lasers.. I have no idea what this mech was but he had at least 10 large lasers ( Light blue colored) and well we die to one alpha..

How can a mech not Assault even alpha over 100 damage and not lock down, how is a game company allowing this to continue...

A non-Assault mech with 10 CERLL/CLPL/HLL (cause it has to be Clan larges to go over 100 damage) will most likely explode when alphaing them at once. It is a very bad build.

Why are you making a big deal out of nothing and being such a drama queen?

Back in 2013 we could do 170 damage LRM bomber with no ghost heat, BTW. And all the missiles had splash damage, thus easily tripling the damage.

Edited by El Bandito, 08 February 2018 - 01:37 AM.

[Khobai]

I have a 12 medium pulse, 2 large pulse dire wolf (108 damage alpha)

its technically not an alpha I suppose. but the beam duration on the medium pulses is short enough that both volleys of medium pulses can finish burning in less time than it takes for the burn duration of a heavy large laser.

although its not as fun now that CMPL have been nerfed

but yeah I can see how it would suck the fun out for other people when I kill them in one or two alphas. and having two supercoolshots lets me repeat it.

they definitely need to kick laser vomit in the nuts.

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Back in 2013 we could do 170 damage LRM bomber with no ghost heat, BTW. And all the missiles had splash damage, thus easily tripling the damage.

the difference is that got nerfed so you couldnt do it anymore

laser vomit is still very much a thing

Edited by Khobai, 08 February 2018 - 01:41 AM.

[The Basilisk]

Samial, on 08 February 2018 - 01:09 AM, said:

Playing MWO is no longer fun when mechs can alpha over 100 damage instantly with lasers.. I have no idea what this mech was but he had at least 10 large lasers ( Light blue colored) and well we die to one alpha..

How can a mech not Assault even alpha over 100 damage and not lock down, how is a game company allowing this to continue...

I was barely scratched and dead in an instant, i have no idea what the mech was (i did see it fire, it hit me in my chest area) but it wasn't an Assault (too small) pretty sure it was a clan heavy...

Laser boating alpha BS has ruined this.. Needs fixing asap. please.

Talking in chat last mission people are saying it was a supernova but it was too small.. even if i miscalculated 10 large lasers isn't 7 or 8 too many?

10 ERLLasers would weight 40 tonns......
08 ERLLasers would weight 32 tonns.....


Most likely it was Timby something with 2 LHLas and 5-6ERM lasers.
71-78 dmg alpha with a full cycletime of 7.5 seconds and burntimes of 1.25 to 1.55 seconds....so actually we are talking about a mech that has a burst of 51 to 56,6 damage in his first second of firing while beeing unable to repeat this more than once every 15 to 20 seconds.....
If you now compare this to large AC builds you see how bad this build actually fares dps wise and how much it depends on an enemy that neither knows how to twist nor to move.

Edited by The Basilisk, 08 February 2018 - 02:04 AM.

[Kodyn]

Clan larges produce a lot of heat, and have long burn times, if you died in a single alpha, you had to be sitting very still staring at your opponent while he got the full burn...also unless it was a Dire, it's exceedingly unlikely it was more than 4 LL, as that's about as many as any heavy can field without killing themselves or at least shutting down forever. If it was indeed that many beams, then they came from more than one mech, which means you were not only sitting still, but completely exposed with no cover.

In the end, you played poorly and paid for it. That being said, I do agree that alphas and TTK in MWO are out of hand, and have been for years. I'm not a TT fan nor a fan of over-complicated or convoluted systems to reduce firing rate or increase heat, but we definitely need something to slow things down a bit. Right now the game is less tactical than ever before, it's mainly a lot of hiding with occasional peeking and frequent dying. Pushes don't work as well as they used to against intelligent opponents who know how to set up a firing line and have a lot of high-alpha builds. Most games do end up devolving into sniping matches, unless you have two sloppy teams, which can actually be fun because you do tend to get a brawl out of it, albeit a very short one.

long story short, learn to play better, and I don't mean that as an insult, but as legitimate advice. There are definite balance issues and TTK issues with the game, but you need to be aware of that if you are going to play it, and learn to work around and within those limitations if you wish to succeed. It isn't what it should be, but it is what it is, and it's not as bad as you imagine it is from your self-inflicted death.

[An Innocent Urbie]

I can only conclude that you are piloting a Piranha nothing else

[PocketYoda]

UnofficialOperator, on 08 February 2018 - 01:32 AM, said:

[redacted for nonconstructive post]

Yep kinda expected that from this forum.

An Innocent Urbie, on 08 February 2018 - 03:54 AM, said:

I can only conclude that you are piloting a Piranha nothing else

I was piloting a hellspawn, 45 ton medium dead in a second.. yes a smaller medium but whats the point with 70+ damage alphas

Edited by Tina Benoit, 08 February 2018 - 05:20 PM.

[Angus McFife VI]

Either a Hellbringer or supernova, either way the big blue lasers are super easy to spread if you twist your mech since they have a very long duration. But yes, the actual.number is 76 damage alphas and they are indeed very annoying. Best thing to do is to remain vigilant and twist when the beams hit you to spread the damage.

[PocketYoda]

Dont LRM me please, on 08 February 2018 - 04:18 AM, said:

Either a Hellbringer or supernova, either way the big blue lasers are super easy to spread if you twist your mech since they have a very long duration. But yes, the actual.number is 76 damage alphas and they are indeed very annoying. Best thing to do is to remain vigilant and twist when the beams hit you to spread the damage.

I didn't get chance to do anything, saw him saw the lasers and it was over.. Kinda not sure why medium mechs exist anymore with the amount of damage being thrown around..

Think about it why play a medium if its going to be destroyed in seconds it looks at anything..

Lights have speed to hopefully mitigate hits..
Heavies have armor?
Assaults have armor?

Mediums exist for what? They are slow, limited tonnage and not very much armor.. Not trying to be an *** here but wow this game needs fixes asap..

The Basilisk, on 08 February 2018 - 01:53 AM, said:

10 ERLLasers would weight 40 tonns......
08 ERLLasers would weight 32 tonns.....


Most likely it was Timby something with 2 LHLas and 5-6ERM lasers.
71-78 dmg alpha with a full cycletime of 7.5 seconds and burntimes of 1.25 to 1.55 seconds....so actually we are talking about a mech that has a burst of 51 to 56,6 damage in his first second of firing while beeing unable to repeat this more than once every 15 to 20 seconds.....
If you now compare this to large AC builds you see how bad this build actually fares dps wise and how much it depends on an enemy that neither knows how to twist nor to move.

It had weird wing like things across the top which could have been shrunken missile pods full of blue lasers.. 5-6 i think and more in the arms..

He fired the lot again after i died i saw him and it was in canyon map..

Edited by Samial, 08 February 2018 - 04:27 AM.

[Curccu]

Khobai, on 08 February 2018 - 01:34 AM, said:

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Back in 2013 we could do 170 damage LRM bomber with no ghost heat, BTW. And all the missiles had splash damage, thus easily tripling the damage.

HEAVY OFF TOPIC!

BUT why cannot you make correct quotes? every quote you ever is missing metadata and persons name you are quoting.
Stupid hard to answer you if you quote me because there is no notification if you do not quote correctly.

Correct quote looks like this:

El Bandito, on 08 February 2018 - 01:33 AM, said:

Back in 2013 we could do 170 damage LRM bomber with no ghost heat, BTW. And all the missiles had splash damage, thus easily tripling the damage.

see now El Bandito will get notification and might reply to you (to me in this case really because I quoted him.).

PS. it's easier to quote correctly, just click quote button under bottom of the post you want to quote

[Seranov]

Yeah, that didn't happen. You're probably experiencing a spike of bad latency or, more likely, just walked into a firing line.

[Nema Nabojiv]

Samial, on 08 February 2018 - 04:23 AM, said:

Mediums exist for what? They are slow, limited tonnage and not very much armor.. Not trying to be an *** here but wow this game needs fixes asap..

They exist to being maneuverable enough to find angles, and have more weapons/HP then lights. But if that doesnt work for you just find what does and use it.

[Iron Heel]

Samial, on 08 February 2018 - 01:09 AM, said:

but he had at least 10 large lasers

..and that's where I stopped reading.

[Scyther]

I'd say that dying once to a gimmick build that wouldn't have much use on a regular battlefield doesn't invalidate the rest of the game.

(A side note to Currcu, for some reason Quote feature doesn't work at all for some people. Me, for instance. I've upgraded OS twice since MWO released, and this is the 2nd computer, yet the feature has never worked on any of them. Strange.)

[Curccu]

MadBadger, on 08 February 2018 - 04:35 AM, said:

A side note to Currcu, for some reason Quote feature doesn't work at all for some people. Me, for instance. I've upgraded OS twice since MWO released, and this is the 2nd computer, yet the feature has never worked on any of them. Strange.

I'd guess it's browser thingy then.
I have issues activating 30 days banked premium time sometimes with Firefox, works with Edge and Chrome always.