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[Felbombling]

My guess is that you may have run into TheB33f there. He has been known to make some crazy builds in the past, so it was either him or someone who got nasty information from him during a live stream.

[Angus McFife VI]

Samial, on 08 February 2018 - 04:23 AM, said:

I didn't get chance to do anything, saw him saw the lasers and it was over.. Kinda not sure why medium mechs exist anymore with the amount of damage being thrown around..

Think about it why play a medium if its going to be destroyed in seconds it looks at anything..

Lights have speed to hopefully mitigate hits..
Heavies have armor?
Assaults have armor?

Mediums exist for what? They are slow, limited tonnage and not very much armor.. Not trying to be an *** here but wow this game needs fixes asap..

It had weird wing like things across the top which could have been shrunken missile pods full of blue lasers.. 5-6 i think and more in the arms...

Well mediums are easy to kill from the side especially of they have XL. If you were standing still and he peeked over he deserved that kill. Also, mediums do not suffer the most from laser vomit but assaults do since they're really easy to hit and can't move away or twist fast enough.

Also sounds like an ebon jaguar, they can be nasty too.

[Bud Crue]

Thread Title: What is the point anymore.

Samial, on 08 February 2018 - 04:15 AM, said:

I was piloting a hellspawn, 45 ton medium dead in a second.. yes a smaller medium but whats the point with 70+ damage alphas

I think your OP is way too dramatic but the above I think is implying valid criticism of the game. There are indeed a lot of mechs, a lot of builds, a lot weapons and equipment that are indeed pointless in the current state of play.

While I have my own axe(s) to grind with PGI and the state of balance, one that really ought to be self evident given the state of the meta is that if the norm is now massive gauss/vomit or laser vomit alphas in the 70+ damage range, then it is indeed pointless to run a mech that practically advertises its torso hit boxes with highlighted geometry, because that mech is gonna die almost immediately when a bad guy decides to point at it. You don’t need the OP’s mythical blue boating death monster to guide you here. There are lots of mechs, mainly the more fragile ones (e.g. Vipers), the ones that can’t twist for crap (Ember, the Kodiaks), the ones with awful hit boxes (Hellspawn), etc. that you just don’t see anymore regardless of any super quirks they might have, because it is pointless to play them if you have another choice. That’s a valid criticism of the state of the game. That you got killed by a troll build is not.

[PocketYoda]

It was probably a Supernova death star like the people said i checked the mech lab and a SNV-C can mount 7 er large lasers easily and still has 1.09 heat....tbh it didn't look that big and maybe 10 was a stretch but 7 is still way too much..

If i drop some tonnage i fitted 8 er large...

5 or 6 is still 55 to 66 alphas...

Edited by Samial, 08 February 2018 - 05:15 AM.

[El Bandito]

Khobai, on 08 February 2018 - 01:34 AM, said:

the difference is that got nerfed so you couldnt do it anymore

laser vomit is still very much a thing

Point is: Even back then 170 damage LRM build was laughed at, and only clueless scrubs would whine about it in the forums. Kinda like OP.

[Mole]

OP is clearly exaggerating as I have a Supernova with 6ERLL and alpha striking that thing for 66 damage is pretty much instant death to overheat. 66 damage is not enough to one-shot anything except a light that is standing perfectly still.

Edited by Mole, 08 February 2018 - 06:24 AM.

[Champion of Khorne Lord of Blood]

Khobai, on 08 February 2018 - 01:34 AM, said:

the difference is that got nerfed so you couldnt do it anymore

laser vomit is still very much a thing

What would they do to nerf the dreaded "10 large laser alpha"? It already makes you die if you fire it, how do you go past that?



Anyway op, you're in a Hellspawn, those things are practically light mechs, gotta rely on the speed and whatnot and if someone is shooting you with a high damage laser alpha then you can easily spread the incoming damage since you're fast and can torso twist, just be more aware of getting shot.

[UnofficialOperator]

Samial, on 08 February 2018 - 04:15 AM, said:

Yep kinda expected that from this forum.

I reserve serious answers for serious questions only. Not BS.

PS: THEY HITZ ME WIT TEN LAZORS! New meme right there!

Edited by UnofficialOperator, 08 February 2018 - 06:50 AM.

[Mole]

Samial, on 08 February 2018 - 04:15 AM, said:

I was piloting a hellspawn, 45 ton medium dead in a second.. yes a smaller medium but whats the point with 70+ damage alphas

Look man. I don't have a Hellspawn, but the feeling I get from them is that they are one of those mediums that thinks they are a light, kind of like the Cicada. If that's true, your strength is not in tanking damage but instead avoiding damage in the first place. You allow yourself to take a full burn from a pile of ERLLs, then yeah, you're going to die. I'm a light pilot, and one thing you must accept when piloting a light is that it is entirely possible that something may one-shot you. It is up to you to just not get shot, which your superior agility makes somewhat easy.

[Asym]

El Bandito, on 08 February 2018 - 05:40 AM, said:

Point is: Even back then 170 damage LRM build was laughed at, and only clueless scrubs would whine about it in the forums. Kinda like OP.

El, usually, I agree with most of what you say. Not today. A whine is a symptom of something that can't be explained and "that" is the problem. Dealing with meta and un-usal weapons effects can be a pain in the butt; especially, with one shot kills that just don't make sense. Many of us have had that happen.... And, the push back from you'all is always the same: stop whining and that suits you and infuriates the OP.... We, they, look to "you all", the older, more experienced players for ideas as to what and why vis-a'-vis "get GuD potato."

Meta is ruining the game. There will be no balnce ever so long as meta, in any form, exists..... Meta is an anti-recruiting reality and needs to stop...........

[Bombast]

Anyone boating the amount of lasers you claim basically killed themselves the moment they fired. I find it more plausible that you walked into some sort of firing line and got pile drived by a bunch of mechs.

Edited by Bombast, 08 February 2018 - 07:29 AM.

[Verilligo]

Asym, on 08 February 2018 - 07:01 AM, said:

El, usually, I agree with most of what you say. Not today. A whine is a symptom of something that can't be explained and "that" is the problem. Dealing with meta and un-usal weapons effects can be a pain in the butt; especially, with one shot kills that just don't make sense. Many of us have had that happen.... And, the push back from you'all is always the same: stop whining and that suits you and infuriates the OP.... We, they, look to "you all", the older, more experienced players for ideas as to what and why vis-a'-vis "get GuD potato."

Meta is ruining the game. There will be no balnce ever so long as meta, in any form, exists..... Meta is an anti-recruiting reality and needs to stop...........

You cannot, by the very definition of the term, exterminate meta. Meta is only the most effective tactic available and there will ALWAYS be a meta for certain situations with the tools and platform provided. In order to do what you want, you would have to dynamically nerf a player based on how well they're performing in each individual game. Everything about that sentence is stupid.

[nehebkau]

Samial, on 08 February 2018 - 01:09 AM, said:

Playing MWO is no longer fun when mechs can alpha over 100 damage instantly with lasers.. I have no idea what this mech was but he had at least 10 large lasers ( Light blue colored) and well we die to one alpha....

I built a 280 Alpha mech a couple of days ago -- it is a shame that the damage counter only goes up to 250.

[mogs01gt]

Same old BS. Just twist is not the answer. Its also sort of hard to twist if you are engaged with another target and you dont see the blue rays of death ripping armor off you.

Glad I rarely play this game anymore.

[Kodyn]

Asym, on 08 February 2018 - 07:01 AM, said:

Meta is ruining the game. There will be no balnce ever so long as meta, in any form, exists..... Meta is an anti-recruiting reality and needs to stop...........

I just wanted to address this one line and also to expand on what I said earlier because it may have seemed a bit harsh. First of all you cannot get rid of "meta". There is a meta for pretty much every online game in existence, either enforced by devs by the tools they give the players, or reached by the players themselves as they find the "best" tool for whatever scenario. No matter what any given dev team does to attempt to balance a game, there will always be the most efficient, or at least more efficient option for players to use. I've been playing online titles for over 15 years, PvP, PvE, mixed, etc, and I've yet to see a truly balanced game. I'm not even sure that's a possible outcome for any game with character classes, vehicles of different types, tiers and classes, different weapons, etc. Call it a combination of human error on the devs' part and human efficiency on the players' part. Perfection is not easily achieved. Now I'm not saying balance shouldn't be striven for, constantly tweaked, etc, just that I think it's a bit of a pipe dream to imagine that the devs could ever just suddenly make a change that entirely removes the natural evolution of a meta in a game, especially a game like MWO.

Back to my earlier post, I wanted to add that I do understand the OP's frustration with medium mechs, they are in fact in a pretty rough spot right now. The only reason I ever feel any urge to run a medium in solo queue is when they have the lowest %, and even then I still generally end up going heavy or assault, because they just play and feel better overall. Lights are hit or miss, some are in a good place, perhaps too good for a couple, but most are kinda 'meh' and really have no place in the game with it's current balancing. Without any kind of real need for role-based gameplay, having 4 mech weights pretty much just serves a role-playing or preferential purpose. I enjoy heavies and assaults most, so it works out for people like me, but for guys who actually enjoy piloting mediums and those weaker lights? It's gotta be pretty frustrating to always go out knowing you're taking a sub-par mech.

Anyway, I think a few of us have totally derailed this thread, but hopefully we gave the OP some perspective on his hyperbolic initial post, and hopefully they give it another go and are able to still find enjoyment in the game. Balance is a constantly-shifting miasma, so you just have to adjust and go with the flow of what works, or play what you like and deal with the consequences. You can't always play to win and play to have fun, but you do have that choice, and if you're one of the lucky ones, you can do both.

[CFC Conky]

Hey Samial,

Your post count suggests you've been playing for a little while, without a few more details of your encounter it's hard to judge what happened in that match. Being regularly one-shot killed by the type of alpha you describe is one thing, having it happen only occasionally points more towards bad luck, which happens to everybody.

Good hunting,
CFC Conky

[ramp4ge]

Direwolf troll build? I've seen these going around Youtube. 10 heavy large lasers basically vaporizes anything in a single alpha. Including the 'mech carrying them.

Edited by ramp4ge, 08 February 2018 - 09:50 AM.

[Gas Guzzler]

Samial, on 08 February 2018 - 04:15 AM, said:

Yep kinda expected that from this forum.

When you talk about 10 Large lasers from a non-assault, yeah you should expect that no one is going to take you seriously.

It was more likely that it was 2 HLL and a bunch of ER MLs, and you stood there and took it in the gut. Your fault.

[ramp4ge]

Samial, on 08 February 2018 - 04:15 AM, said:

I was piloting a hellspawn, 45 ton medium dead in a second.. yes a smaller medium but whats the point with 70+ damage alphas

The point is not getting hit.

My favorite - and best performing - 'mech is only 35 tons. And it only goes 81kph. But I've never been laser-alpha-1-shotted.

[C H E E K I E Z]

did this event happen this morning? because i was goofing off with my gigga-drill this morning for about 8 games, 15 ERLL.