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[Vxheous]

Kaeb Odellas, on 09 February 2018 - 11:44 PM, said:

OP's main account current season stats aren't even bad. 1.24 K:D, 1.58 W:L, and 283 average match score over 506 games at time of writing? They're quite decent, actually.

Not that it matters.

No one ever said they were bad, they just said they weren't very good either. Those are pretty average stats (which is fine, nothing wrong with being average)

[El Bandito]

Khobai, on 09 February 2018 - 09:24 PM, said:

thats a good idea for an absolutely terrible movie. a futuristic dystopia where your value as a human being is determined solely by your stats and ladder ranking in MWO. like if your ranking is too low you cant vote and dont get food or medical services and have to eat rats.

It is basically happening in India.

[Mister Glitchdragon]

Once, in frustration at all the complaints about "worthless" sniper-assaults not "sharing armor," I made a topic about "worthless" go-happy brawlers that clamor for pushes too early and get large swaths of the team killed before the distance-traders have had a chance to gain an advantage that the brawlers can exploit with a calculated push. I thought I was making a clever point about relativity of technique, and how from a different perspective any build or style of play can be seen as a drag on a solo PUG team.

From this I learned two things:

One, that there are a lot of brawlers out there who think assaults are for tanking up front, any other style of play is straight garbage, and don't want to hear otherwise, clever point notwithstanding.

Two, even though I had positive KDR and Win/Loss stats at the time, many of the above irate brawlers said my stats weren't good enough to make my assertions. Someone said I had to have an "average match score of 500" before my sniper assault wouldn't be a drag on the team. GTFO.

My point is that no matter where your stats are, if someone has better stats than you they will always be tempted to use them as a cudgel to shut you down, especially when you're telling them something they don't want to hear. Just like "tiers are meaningless" until you say something a T1 player doesn't like, then you're a "scrub who hides your tier."

Having said that, nothing has made me a better player than keeping track of my own stats and trying to improve them. I find it fun and it keeps the game interesting. In the solo PUG there's really nothing else to do; it's just mindless match after match after match.

I guess all this is to say I like having access to my stats and I'm glad someone is calculating all this so I don't have to. I don't mind other people seeing them (although this season's numbers kind of stink) but when people bring stats into a discussion I'm always aware that they are trying to hang their hat on something other than a constructively-posited counterpoint. I don't know that we'll ever get away from those types; I try not to let them bother me.

So, to all the good players with good stats who resist brandishing that cudgel, know what ad hominem means and understand why it's bad, and can read and respond to a given OP's arguments without bringing stats into it, thanks.

[denAirwalkerrr]

I'm a simple man. I see idiotic suggestion I go see this person stats. In this case it perfectly fitted even if it would be smurf account it's bad given these stats are from lower tiers.

Bud Crue, on 09 February 2018 - 01:17 PM, said:

Simple guideline:
Folks with mediocre to bad stats (such as myself) get to post about anything without said stats bieng brought up, with one exception. If you post in topics about competitive play, what skilled players do, or things of that nature then expect to be called out, as you should be. If however, you bring up my stats in any other circumstances you are officially designated an *******. Don't let it keep you up at night though, any more than my bad stats keep me up.

Exactly. First time I see such a hillariously immature reaction of somebody on statshaming.

Edited by denAirwalkerrr, 10 February 2018 - 01:30 AM.

[MrMadguy]

MWO doesn't support addons, so I can't collect stats by myself, cuz I'm too lazy to make screenshot of every match result. Yeah, Leaderboard stats aren't complete, but at least I have enough data to try to simulate my performance. Average match score don't lie and can't be tricked: if your average match score is 200, then every match with, let's say, 300 match score should be balanced by match with 100 match score.

For example Leaderboard clearly shows, that MM has gone insane again, so my stats dropped back to usual crap:

Season 20:


I have exactly the same skill and play exactly the same 'Mechs. See the difference?

Edited by MrMadguy, 10 February 2018 - 01:26 AM.

[Kaeb Odellas]

Vxheous, on 09 February 2018 - 11:47 PM, said:

No one ever said they were bad, they just said they weren't very good either. Those are pretty average stats (which is fine, nothing wrong with being average)

How do you define average? His main account's overall stats are better than 83% of all other ranked players. That seems well above average to me.

[ANOM O MECH]

When talking weapons and understanding the game especially in context of what is OP or should/shouldn't be nerfed, I don't know how you could exclude a persons stats.

How many new players or lower tier players cry out lurms OP on a regular basis...for years now.

It makes sense to talk to top players in the game. Doesn't mean they all have it together or are unbiased etc. However taken as a group, their consensus is much more valuable than most of us regular Joe's.

Never seen an argument to counter this that made any sense as this practice isn't new and is done everywhere from other games to professional sports.

[Vxheous]

Kaeb Odellas, on 10 February 2018 - 01:33 AM, said:

How do you define average? His main account's overall stats are better than 83% of all other ranked players. That seems well above average to me.

250-300 match score is about average, once you consistently go above 300 is where you start being above average. Tarogato I'm pretty sure did a whole statistical analysis on it awhile back. Also, having a W/L that hovers close to 1 (so winning slightly above 50% of the time) and a K/D that hovers slightly over 1 is again, average.

Nothing wrong with that, but it is average.

Edited by Vxheous, 10 February 2018 - 02:00 AM.

[Kroete]

If people not have other arguments then their stats in a virtual computer game,
and if they have only their stats from a virtual computer game to brag over,
you should be really sorry for this poor people.

Edited by Kroete, 10 February 2018 - 02:57 AM.

[denAirwalkerrr]

Kroete, on 10 February 2018 - 02:54 AM, said:

If people not have other arguments then their stats in a virtual computer game,
and if they have only their stats from a virtual computer game to brag over,
you should be really sorry for this poor people.

No I have argument that I’m best player and dropcaller of 4th place team of WC2017 and have 1st and 2nd places in many 1v1 tournament helded over past year. Keep your feeling with you.

Edited by denAirwalkerrr, 10 February 2018 - 04:37 AM.

[PocketYoda]

I try to make my stats as bad as possible for the lulz.. Seriously i don't give a flying toss about stats and want my psr to go backwards..

I know what my stats say because i actively try to fudge them on purpose... I will run into fire and suicide if i feel like it to ruin my stats.. because stats are meaningless..

[EnochsBook]

Samial, on 10 February 2018 - 04:59 AM, said:

I try to make my stats as bad as possible for the lulz.. Seriously i don't give a flying toss about stats and want my psr to go backwards..

I know what my stats say because i actively try to fudge them on purpose... I will run into fire and suicide if i feel like it to ruin my stats.. because stats are meaningless..

Well this sounds like a very constructive and responsible attitude.

What about your teammates who still care about this game?

You know what most people who think stats are meaningless do? They stop caring about stats without actively trying to screw over their own side.

Edited by EnochsBook, 10 February 2018 - 05:20 AM.

[PocketYoda]

EnochsBook, on 10 February 2018 - 05:20 AM, said:

Well this sounds like a very constructive and responsible attitude.

What about your teammates who still care about this game?

You know what most people who think stats are meaningless do? They stop caring about stats without actively trying to screw over their own side.

Well when PGI decide to actually fix **** and stop focusing on what stat ****** think i might care.. but until then i'm not even playing the game so the teams are safe.. from me..

[Bombast]

Samial, on 10 February 2018 - 04:59 AM, said:

I try to make my stats as bad as possible for the lulz.. Seriously i don't give a flying toss about stats and want my psr to go backwards..

I know what my stats say because i actively try to fudge them on purpose... I will run into fire and suicide if i feel like it to ruin my stats.. because stats are meaningless..

So you sabotage all your games, ruin your matches, undermine your team, and are an active detriment to anyone you drop with, just to prove stats are meaningless.

That's like pissing in the sink in public bathrooms to prove urinals are pointless. While people are trying to wash their hands.

[PocketYoda]

Bombast, on 10 February 2018 - 05:26 AM, said:

So you sabotage all your games, ruin your matches, undermine your team, and are an active detriment to anyone you drop with, just to prove stats are meaningless.

That's like pissing in the sink in public bathrooms to prove urinals are pointless. While people are trying to wash their hands.

It works though.

[Bombast]

Samial, on 10 February 2018 - 05:28 AM, said:

It works though.

Works at what?

[PocketYoda]

Bombast, on 10 February 2018 - 05:30 AM, said:

Works at what?

Lowering my psr and those people in game kill themselves way faster than i ever could damage a team, have you actually played low tiers at all... my running into the enemy changes nothing about what those headless chickens do..

And even if i play properly the teams still play like drunk blind lobotomized monkeys...

[Dago Red]

Novakaine, on 09 February 2018 - 05:29 PM, said:

Who watches their stats?

I mean I have found them useful for determining effectiveness between my IS only main account and clan only alt and just tracking general trends.

The clan one is ranked 20% higher even though I played with the same teammates in group que against the same opponents 80% of the time. So that was a depressing realization.

https://leaderboard....D%0Adayglow+red

So make of that what you will.

Edited by Dago Red, 10 February 2018 - 06:49 AM.

[East Indy]

How did this get to five pages?

OP — it's the internet, and people will throw personal attacks at you. Just ignore it and remember that most people don't notice. While I disagree with your Reddit post, there's no reason to target you; plus, on the question of skill and insight, my experience is that even the best players of any game provide limited value from their limited perspective. So anyone with knowledge can meaningfully contribute.

[sycocys]

If they got rid of the public stat data the game's population accounting would drop by by probably 25-30% because there'd be no more reason for people to mask their performance under the cover of anonymous alts.