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[Spheroid]

@El Bandito: In theory Jagermech-A with TC8 could out trade cER at extreme ranges. Realistically that is not going to happen though. My optimum is 1,012 meters.

Edited by Spheroid, 10 February 2018 - 11:46 AM.

[Y E O N N E]

What on earth do you need the TC8 for in that setup? You still have to expose, acquire, charge, and release and that's where you are going to lose. Not the projectile flight time, which is the only thing the TC is improving.

Also, the RFL-3C will do that better. Also 1012 meters.

[LT. HARDCASE]

9 damage and no charge would get me to use them.

[Spheroid]

@Yeonne: That Jager has the velocity quirk the Rifleman lacks. Again this is an academic question, In practice I would never give up ER Battlemasters for light gauss.

[Y E O N N E]

Spheroid, on 10 February 2018 - 11:54 AM, said:

@Yeonne: That Jager has the velocity quirk the Rifleman lacks. Again this is an academic question, In practice I would never give up ER Battlemasters for light gauss.

But the RFL has the better poking profile and can place both weapons into one arm for superior convergence. IMHO, that matters more than a 300 m/s bonus to projectile speed.

At any rate, LGR isn't Assault-mech material. Warhammer with ERLL, maybe. Like poking with 4x ERLL without ghost heat and with near-indefinite sustain.

[FupDup]

Yeonne Greene, on 10 February 2018 - 12:09 PM, said:

But the RFL has the better poking profile and can place both weapons into one arm for superior convergence. IMHO, that matters more than a 300 m/s bonus to projectile speed.

At any rate, LGR isn't Assault-mech material. Warhammer with ERLL, maybe. Like poking with 4x ERLL without ghost heat and with near-indefinite sustain.

The Roflman is also a lot more XL-friendly, whereas the Swaggermech has to waste its tonnage advantage on an LFE engine or be a suicide sled with XL.

[Spheroid]

There is also quad LBX-2 available at the same weight as long as we are covering all the ballistic troll builds.

[Alkabides]

X2 LGR and a bunch of medium lasers on a warhammer is boss hoss. With all the cooldown nodes you fire, hold button, release with almost no delay. It gets nasty if you can peg the same spot on your opponent. Trust me, fun ensues.

[El Bandito]

Alkabides, on 10 February 2018 - 04:32 PM, said:

X2 LGR and a bunch of medium lasers on a warhammer is boss hoss. With all the cooldown nodes you fire, hold button, release with almost no delay. It gets nasty if you can peg the same spot on your opponent. Trust me, fun ensues.

Except 2x regular Gauss + 4xERML Warhammer 6R is already better than it.

[BigBenn]

REMOVE THE CHARGE UP FROM ALL GAUSS RIFLES!

That is the biggest problem right there. Then, put the reloads times at 5-6 seconds for all gauss, and they should automatically be chain fired, not group fired. That would clear up the alpha strike concerns.

But seriously... F that charge up. Its is assinine.

[Khobai]

I agree with removing chargeup on gauss rifles

Now that gauss+PPC are linked for ghost heat, chargeup on gauss is no longer required

although gauss/laser still needs a nerf, especially on the clan side (CERML should be 6 damage not 7 damage)



light gauss also need to do 10 damage instead of 8 damage. nobody in their right mind would spend 12 tons on a weapon that only does 8 damage.

Edited by Khobai, 11 February 2018 - 09:55 AM.

[ShiverMeRivets]

I started to run 2xLGR on my Cyclops. Conclusions are yet to be determined.
I figured that for same weight as AC10, 2 damage less, almost the same cycle time (before latest AC10 buff), and far better ballistics, they are almost equal - except that I can fit 2 of them with an LE engine, while I can't fit 2xAC10s! No room for case though.

Do the LGRs have the increased crit chance and damage like the larger gauss rifles? Smurfy does not mention this. If they do have a crit bonus this may be their redeeming factor - trading direct damage (vs AC10) for crits. Also in this case 2xLGR will do twice as many crits vs. a single regular Gauss. Not sure it is worth the 7 tons difference, but it is something.

I think that what will make LGR more viable is reduced weight, rather than increased damage. Shave off 1 ton to make them 11 toners and I am happy.

[PocketYoda]

Lower their weight across the board and remove the charge up insanity. Or drastically improve their damage.

Also remove that dumb heavy gauss mech shake thats just stupid.

Edited by Samial, 26 March 2018 - 05:33 AM.

[NeoCodex]

Another mech that could potentially be good for the LGR that I'm looking at is the KGC hero. I am planning to buy it since it's on sale and put 2x LGR on top mounted side torso with 6 mediums in arms maybe. I tried 4x LGR on KGC before and it did quite fine for a meme build, but with the fast recharge on it's own and knuckle dragging arms it really didn't give out it's full potential for the tonnage invested.

When you have to cycle them, and pay attention to knuckle draggers, the 4x gauss build never comes to 100% more actual dps. Can only use one of them if poking from the sides, and poking overhill just isn't good. Aim convergence and leading creates issues with so widely separated arms as well. So, the hero eliminates that problem, with 2 top mounted LGR it won't be meta defining, but unique enough for me to give it a try and it should be decent I hope. I am going to do a bet with myself to do better than the 4x build.

Actually, can do and test the same build on a Marauder with Light 300, can even fit a jump jet.

Wouldn't these 2 mechs do this LGR build better since they can ridge poke with it? I just never liked the Warhammer because it's not a ridge poker.

Edited by NeoCodex, 26 March 2018 - 06:41 AM.

[Krivvan]

Spheroid, on 10 February 2018 - 12:37 PM, said:

There is also quad LBX-2 available at the same weight as long as we are covering all the ballistic troll builds.

The quad LBX-2 can actually do scarily fast kills at open structure, like a 1000m range machine gun. It's a lot more legit than LGR builds.

[MechaBattler]

Here's what they should do. Buff ammo count so you can operate with just 1 ton of ammo. Then you have good weight savings over regular goose waffle.

[PocketYoda]

They need to buff ammo count across the board not just Gauss

[Yosharian]

Every time you fire a gauss rifle, you have to do the following:

1) Move into position where you can fire
2) Spot a target
3) Lead the shot correctly if using projectiles (yes Light Gauss is fast, no that doesn't mean you can get away without leading)
4) Charge up the shot
5) Release the shot
6) Avoid incoming fire (twist/retreat behind cover) OR continue firing.

You have to fire twice just to achieve the same damage as a standard gauss rifle.

That means you have to lead twice, charge up twice, release twice.

The damage is just too low to justify it right now. Even if you get to sit there firing constantly at an enemy, you still have to put in twice as much work just to do the same damage as a standard gauss.

[Guile Votoms]

PGI obviously doesn't understand the purpose of gauss rifles.
Lowering cooldown doesn't help this weapon at all since it increases facetime.

Just leave the cooldown the same as the other gauss rifles and increase the damage to 10.
That would give Heavies and Mediums (especially the Rifleman and Uziel) a chance to shine as a sniper.

[Reno Blade]

I've had some games with my LG mechs that were quite fun, but most times it only works if you don't get focused by more than 1 enemy.
4x LG King Crab can be intimidating, even though it's slower fire than the 4 uAC5 King Crab.
Still the ROF of the left-right combo keeps the slugs flying.
But ofc, you are then staring down and can get cored if the target is staying for a stare down or you get additional enemies shooting you. (like with any other dps build)

It's all about bigger=better and i have the feeling it always get worse. If you don't bring the best alpha, you handicap yourself (and your team).