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[Gas Guzzler]

Khobai, on 15 February 2018 - 03:28 PM, said:

thats my whole point

worse omnipods need to be incentivized more than better omnipods

making better omnipods better and leaving the worse ones worse is not going to fix that problem

Well, I would NEVER use that one unless it had like a -20% energy heat quirk. So if you want that then go for it.

In the mean time, if you want to buff the mech, you need to buff the aspects of it that will actually be used.

[Yosharian]

The Atlas is fine in my opinion, I've dropped a few times in my S and DDC and the added flexibility from MRMs (which are actually good now, shock horror) have really improved the chassis.

It's the Annihilator which is the problem here, not the Atlas. The Anni's quirks need reigning in. It's too tough. Bla bla bla slow bla bla bla the Dire Wolf is just as slow, and the DWF and Anni carry similar weapon loadouts. Nerf the Anni's quirks rather than buffing everything else to compete.

I mean this is ridiculous, there are so many Assaults that are ****-tier and you're begging for more Atlas love, this is ******* absurd people.

Edited by Yosharian, 15 February 2018 - 03:43 PM.

[Gas Guzzler]

Yosharian, on 15 February 2018 - 03:43 PM, said:

I mean this is ridiculous, there are so many Assaults that are ****-tier and you're begging for more Atlas love, this is ******* absurd people.

Wait, aside from the Nightstar which assaults are worse than the Atlas?

[Khobai]

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Wait, aside from the Nightstar which assaults are worse than the Atlas?

Awesome
Banshee
King Crab
Highlander
Victor
Zeus

Edited by Khobai, 15 February 2018 - 04:13 PM.

[Gas Guzzler]

Khobai, on 15 February 2018 - 04:11 PM, said:

Awesome

Haven't used it in a while but doesn't it still have some pretty decent PPC quirks? I thought people were doing 2PPC 2 HPPC builds.

Khobai, on 15 February 2018 - 04:11 PM, said:

Banshee

Hmmm maybe. I haven't used the Banshee in a while.

Still, Atlas is pretty low on the list lol.

Edited by Gas Guzzler, 15 February 2018 - 04:12 PM.

[Khobai]

Gas Guzzler, on 15 February 2018 - 03:57 PM, said:

Still, Atlas is pretty low on the list lol.

The atlas is fairly middle of the pack IMO.

Its worse than the battlemaster, mauler, annihilator, stalker, etc... but its better than a lot of the other IS assaults too.

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I mean this is ridiculous, there are so many Assaults that are ****-tier and you're begging for more Atlas love, this is ******* absurd people.

Well to be fair this thread was specifically about the atlas.

But just because the atlas needs buffs doesnt mean other IS assaults dont need buffs too.

And the direwolf certainly needs buffs as well.

Yosharian, on 15 February 2018 - 03:43 PM, said:

It's the Annihilator which is the problem here, not the Atlas.

Thats entirely possible

But some things on the atlas like the 16 degree torso pitch just absolutely need to be fixed

Not being able to torso pitch well when you primarily have torso weapons is infuriating.

Edited by Khobai, 15 February 2018 - 04:26 PM.

[Gas Guzzler]

Khobai, on 15 February 2018 - 04:11 PM, said:

Highlander
Victor
Zeus

No.
Hell no.
No.

Atlas is worse than those.

[Nightbird]

There's nothing wrong with the Atlas, it exists to sell newer mech! (I spent 50$ on the BH, so I get to gripe)

Edited by Nightbird, 15 February 2018 - 04:30 PM.

[Nema Nabojiv]

Khobai, on 15 February 2018 - 04:11 PM, said:

Banshee

WAT? Banshee is not bad and definitely not worse than atlas. It is basically a battlemaster with a different flavor.

[Gas Guzzler]

Nema Nabojiv, on 15 February 2018 - 04:39 PM, said:

WAT? Banshee is not bad and definitely not worse than atlas. It is basically a battlemaster with a different flavor.

Yeah I was skeptical about the BNC but hadn't used it in a while. Honestly IS assault laser boats are pretty meh IMO. Either Pure dakka, or PPFLDakka, or dual heavy goose vomit or gtfo

[Nightbird]

The most serious disadvantage the Atlas has is QP. 1/4 of maps it is powerful on, 3/4 it is useless on. Taking out these specialized mechs is like gambling on map choice.

[Humpday]

Not armor, probably 90deg/s torso twist after skills

I wanna buy one, but wont' due to teh suck.

Hguass mrm40 tho...

[Relishcakes]

I could see a buffing of the atlas armor/structure(i dont really care which) I dont actually find them that scary in my cougar. I face them and alpha. They usually back off before i do.

[East Indy]

It's got tons of extra armor but not proportionately where it needs it -- since the CT was shrunk eons ago, side torsos have been so easy to target you hit them when you try to miss, blowing 40%+ of the Atlas' loadout.

Still, irrelevant. As long as players can mount two Heavy Gauss and fire them as a single weapon, they'll choose the Annihilator 9 times out of 10. Like they do now.

[Khobai]

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WAT? Banshee is not bad and definitely not worse than atlas.

its still bad.

that 16 degree torso pitch on the banshee is just as bad as it is on the atlas

16 degree torso pitch on mechs with all their weapons in the torsos needs to be fixed

no mech should have less than a 20 degree torso pitch. and thats with arm weapons.

mechs with all torso weapons shouldnt have less than 25 degree torso pitch.

Edited by Khobai, 15 February 2018 - 05:42 PM.

[Kubernetes]

You still see Banshees in FW, Atlases not so much. There’s no reason to choose an Atlas over an Anni.

Zeus and Victor are clearly better.

King Crabs are also better.

[GrimRiver]

Anni's are better than an Atlas at the Atlas's job.

Huge structure buffs is totally useless on mechs like the Atlas, once the armor is popped weapons are lost almost instantly anyway so structure doesn't really help all that much, armor is a better choice.

But I'll still take an Atlas anyday over the Direwhale which needs armor and structure quirks badly.

[Khobai]

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Anni's are better than an Atlas at the Atlas's job.

well thats part of the problem considering the annihilator and atlas arnt even supposed to have the same job


atlas = tank/brawler with high armor and normal speed/normal agility for a 100 tonner

annihilator = midrange blaster with medium armor and slow speed/poor agility for a 100 tonner


the annihilator definitely should not be as survivable as the atlas. nor should the atlas be less agile than the annihilator in a lot of ways (like torso pitch)

Edited by Khobai, 15 February 2018 - 06:17 PM.

[MechaBattler]

Gas Guzzler, on 15 February 2018 - 04:42 PM, said:

Yeah I was skeptical about the BNC but hadn't used it in a while. Honestly IS assault laser boats are pretty meh IMO. Either Pure dakka, or PPFLDakka, or dual heavy goose vomit or gtfo

What would you say is the reason for that? Bad weapons? Inferior Dubs? Nerfed quirks?

[Khobai]

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What would you say is the reason for that? Bad weapons? Inferior Dubs? Nerfed quirks?

the reason is paul

he thinks CERML are fine at ghost heat of 6 (42 damage)

but ISERML at ghost heat of 8 (40 damage) would somehow be overpowered

lol wut?

so clan lasers remain way better than IS lasers.



They need to nerf CERML to 6 damage each. Leave ghost heat at 6. 6x6 would be 36 damage.
Then raise the ghost heat on ISERML to 7. 7x5 would be 35 damage.

That would give clan laser vomit the nerf it needs and ghost heat would be fair for both sides.

Edited by Khobai, 15 February 2018 - 06:22 PM.