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[Kubernetes]

Eh, I’m top 1% but I think there’s a considerable falloff from EmP to me.

[Gas Guzzler]

TheArisen, on 18 February 2018 - 11:11 AM, said:

Basically be top 1% on Dane's list. Be at or around EMP's level, etc.

There's EMP's level and then there is top 1%... I mean I'm within the top 0.4% overall which isn't necessarily EMP... so maybe top 1% is tier 0 and the rest of the tier 1s are tier 1?

Edited by Gas Guzzler, 18 February 2018 - 11:20 AM.

[Y E O N N E]

So Tier 0 = "You know who you are"?



That, or Tier 0 is "if you have to ask..."

[frumpylumps]

What is the strongest IS assault in peoples opinion?

[K O Z A K]

lol, yeah, I dunno about top 1% being EMP level, or "tier 0"

[Y E O N N E]

frumpylumps, on 18 February 2018 - 11:31 AM, said:

What is the strongest IS assault in peoples opinion?

ANH-1X running twin HGauss and six instances of whatever medium-class laser you want (ERML is broadly the most powerful, IMHO).

Then it's the BLR-1G with ERLL.

Third place for ANH-2A with 5x UAC/5.

[TheArisen]

So far according to the poll...
Lights are basically balanced
IS has stronger Meds
Clan has stronger Heavies and Assaults

[TheArisen]

TheArisen, on 18 February 2018 - 11:58 AM, said:

So far according to the poll...
Lights are basically balanced
IS has stronger Meds
Clan has stronger Heavies and Assaults

So basically...
Wolfhounds are on par with Arctic Cheetahs & Co.
Bushwhackers & Assassins are the best mediums in the game
Basically any Clan heavy is better than it's IS counterpart
Mad Cat 2 & Marauder IIc are kings of the battlefield.

I don't agree that Bushies & Assassins are better than any Clan med. Hunch IIc, Huntsman & even Stormcrow are at least as good.

[Spheroid]

@TheArisen: I am curious what Stormcrow you think can survive CQC with a P1.

[Y E O N N E]

What the poll doesn't show though is that it's all dependent upon a handfull of chassis. If the WLF gets nerfed, Clans will take Lights. If the BSW gets nerfed, Clans take mediums (I don't consider the ASN as strong as some others do; it's good, but also really vulnerable to good aim). And this is just quirks. You could theoretically nerf the HBR, EBJ, MCII, etc. to swing heavies to IS, but you'd have to start changing something besides quirks, which has further reaching impacts and would just make the game as a whole suck a lot more.

[TheArisen]

Spheroid, on 18 February 2018 - 12:25 PM, said:

@TheArisen: I am curious what Stormcrow you think can survive CQC with a P1.

Who said CQC?

[B L O O D W I T C H]

Gas Guzzler, on 18 February 2018 - 11:00 AM, said:

What are the requirements for Tier 0?

play comp, win once in a while

[Gas Guzzler]

Yeonne Greene, on 18 February 2018 - 11:23 AM, said:

So Tier 0 = "You know who you are"?



That, or Tier 0 is "if you have to ask..."

I was just trying not to be an arrogant ***** and put some numbers behind...

[Y E O N N E]

Gas Guzzler, on 18 February 2018 - 12:33 PM, said:

I was just trying not to be an arrogant ***** and put some numbers behind...

Lol, I know. I'm just giving you sh*t.

TBQH, I wasn't sure whether I should vote T1 or T2. I went with the KISS approach and just went with the number under my name.

[Gas Guzzler]

Toha Heavy Industries, on 18 February 2018 - 12:32 PM, said:

play comp, win once in a while

Been there, done that, TIER 0 it is brah

[Exilyth]

Stuck-in-tier-3-hell here.

Light: ACH, PIR, MLX vs. LCT, SDR, etc - this one depends on pilot skill and loadout so much I'd be inclined to say it's somewhat balanced.
Medium: With the ASN and BSW on IS and stuff like SHC, NVA, SCR on clan - this one goes to IS, mostly due to the BSW.
Heavy: TBR, HBR, EBJ vs WHM, RFL, TDR etc - this one goes to clan.
Assault: I don't play assaults much, but I'd guess this boils down to SNV, MCII (maybe WHK) vs. BLR, CP - this one goes to clan.

[justcallme A S H]

Mcgral18, on 18 February 2018 - 02:17 AM, said:

Spoiler

I was the first
Others seem to have followed



I want to REEE about the vote placement, it wasn't consistently Clam-Sphere, ordering was random!



Light wise, a single Sphere compared to 3 top tier Clam Lights
But, all win or lose different scenarios, even enough at the top end


Medium wise, Clams have a top choice in every possible role
Sphere has a hard time competing at every role

Heavy wise...is there even a Sphere heavy which competes?
Clams have top contenders at different roles, including poptarting, brawling and poking

Assault wise, I gave to the Clams, but there are some Spheroid assaults which aren't bad
Not quite what I would call top end competitive, however. Only PUGLIFE certified

haha I wasn't far behind you then

That said I wouldn't class myself there but of late, given how badly everyone else seems to be playing... I've upgraded myself. But I bet there are a pile of people who ticked that box and should've ticked T3 or lower.

Agree on all other accounts for classes. IS only comes close in lights, the WLF. That's it.


Also agree on the Clan/IS vote points. That stuff confused me.

[justcallme A S H]

Yeonne Greene, on 18 February 2018 - 11:23 AM, said:

So Tier 0 = "You know who you are"?



That, or Tier 0 is "if you have to ask..."

I bet the stat-tanking / adult material viewing types will be hitting Tier0

[Y E O N N E]

Exilyth, on 18 February 2018 - 03:03 PM, said:

Stuck-in-tier-3-hell here.

Light: ACH, PIR, MLX vs. LCT, SDR, etc - this one depends on pilot skill and loadout so much I'd be inclined to say it's somewhat balanced.

I don't think you can or should use skill in the equation. The Piranha and Cheeto both perform so far above the Spider 5K and the Ember in the MG role in the hands of the same pilot that it's not worth comparing them at all. The Locust can do laser poke, but so can the Piranha just as well...but nobody ever does because the MG one is just too strong to not run.

[IllCaesar]

I think it depends on how you count "strongest per weight class" as in a general match or when up against mechs of the same weight class. If you go with the latter then clans have to win the light division as hardpoint count has always been an important deciding factor on the viability of a light medium going all of the way back to the beginning of the game. Remember Jenner dominance? Some IS lights have as few as two weapon hardpoints. The Piranha can fit fifteen, the Mist Lynx can fit twelve, the Arctic Cheetah can fit ten, the Kit Fox can fit ten, the Cougar can fit eight, the clan Jenner fits eight, and at the back of the pack the Adder fits five. Their more powerful weapons also weigh less and take up less slots. IS lights have bigger engines at their disposal and tend to be a bit more durable but against other lights its just not a fair contest to pit a Locust against a Piranha or a Commando against a Mist Lynx. The 30 and 35 tonners are closer but I still think clan edges their IS counterparts out.