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[Escef]

Scout Derek, on 26 February 2018 - 02:51 PM, said:

Good Job guys. Way to derail a thread.

Way to add to it.

EDIT: And let us be honest with one another, like most threads on this forum, it was pointless once both major points of view were presented.

Edited by Escef, 26 February 2018 - 02:54 PM.

[Eisenhorne]

I always type GG when *I* have a good game, regardless of my opponents. I thought that's how it was supposed to be.

[ramp4ge]

Escef, on 26 February 2018 - 02:51 PM, said:

Heh, the lack of reading comprehension is delicious.

Oh, I comprehended exactly what you're saying. It's just more strawmanning. Again, you refuse to debate my ideas and chose to attack the strawman of the person you built. And of all things delicious, this is probably the most delicious thing. You apparently cannot defend your own ideas so you don't even try.

And now you've resorted to making assumptions about what I'd do in real life. Again, you're making assertions and then declaring those assertions to be fact without any actual evidence.

[Escef]

ramp4ge, on 26 February 2018 - 02:58 PM, said:

Oh, I comprehended exactly what you're saying.

You have persistently proven otherwise.

[ramp4ge]

Escef, on 26 February 2018 - 03:00 PM, said:

You have persistently proven otherwise.

Sure I have. Good job defending your ideals, though. You've done an excellent job of avoiding having to.

[Escef]

ramp4ge, on 26 February 2018 - 03:01 PM, said:

Sure I have.

Uh-huh.

[CMDR Sunset Shimmer]

ramp4ge, on 26 February 2018 - 02:47 PM, said:

How am I failing when you still haven't even attempted to justify the comparison you made that I called you on?

If everyone is free to fail, why do we need your interjection about everyone not agreeing with you being comparable to someone you (presumably) shot at in Iraq?



There's no reason it can't. Meritocracy is how the real world actually works, contrary to what you might be lead to believe.

Which is exactly why feelings pale in the shadow of reality. And at no point do feelings overshadow reality. Unless you chose to allow them to. I do not want to live in a society where I am compelled to put someone's feelings over the reality that I am witnessing with my own eyes.

Reality is subjective to the individual my friend.

There are universal constants sure... but it's a scientific fact, that reality is subjective to the individual. All you need to do, is question people who witnessed a specific event, each person's retelling of the event, will be different... because the human brain fills in gaps.

So now the question comes, who's reality is what matters?

I agree, feelings pale in comparison to fact, I've caught a TON of **** for my stance on viewing serving in the military as just another job, and that when a solider get's killed, it's all part of the job, they knew the risks going in... I don't view it as something to be celebrated or grieved over, I don't see them as hero's, I see them as people doing a job, nothing more... but put that viewpoint forward to a military family who just lost someone in combat... and you're going to piss a LOT of people off...

so, who's reality matters in an instance like that? Mine, or theirs?

[Brain Cancer]

LordNothing, on 26 February 2018 - 02:49 PM, said:

oh joy, another sportsmanship is evil thread.

If it was all about sportsmanship, that is. I think the last few pages veered off that track and the conversation is currently plowing through a cabbage cart, a china shop, and heading straight for a pile of manure.

[ramp4ge]

CMDR Sunset Shimmer, on 26 February 2018 - 03:11 PM, said:

Reality is subjective to the individual my friend.

There are universal constants sure... but it's a scientific fact, that reality is subjective to the individual. All you need to do, is question people who witnessed a specific event, each person's retelling of the event, will be different... because the human brain fills in gaps.

So now the question comes, who's reality is what matters?

I agree, feelings pale in comparison to fact, I've caught a TON of **** for my stance on viewing serving in the military as just another job, and that when a solider get's killed, it's all part of the job, they knew the risks going in... I don't view it as something to be celebrated or grieved over, I don't see them as hero's, I see them as people doing a job, nothing more... but put that viewpoint forward to a military family who just lost someone in combat... and you're going to piss a LOT of people off...

so, who's reality matters in an instance like that? Mine, or theirs?

"Reality is subjective" is post-modernist rhetoric for people who want to believe that their feelings, which ARE subjective, have some actual bearing on reality. People that want to wish things out of existence, or believe that the way they feel has any actual pull on the strings of what someone completely unrelated to them in any way shape or form does.

"I reject your reality and substitute my own" is a satirical statement said to reflect this. Reality is a constant. One's perception of it is nothing more than an extension of their feelings, which are subjective and subject to change on a daily basis.

[Escef]

Brain Cancer, on 26 February 2018 - 03:20 PM, said:

If it was all about sportsmanship, that is. I think the last few pages veered off that track and the conversation is currently plowing through a cabbage cart, a china shop, and heading straight for a pile of manure.

[CMDR Sunset Shimmer]

ramp4ge, on 26 February 2018 - 03:47 PM, said:

"Reality is subjective" is post-modernist rhetoric for people who want to believe that their feelings, which ARE subjective, have some actual bearing on reality. People that want to wish things out of existence, or believe that the way they feel has any actual pull on the strings of what someone completely unrelated to them in any way shape or form does.

"I reject your reality and substitute my own" is a satirical statement said to reflect this. Reality is a constant. One's perception of it is nothing more than an extension of their feelings, which are subjective and subject to change on a daily basis.

You missed the entire point of my statement that scientifically, you can prove that reality shifts depending on the views of those viewing the same event in time.


Take three people, who witnessed the same car crash, and their depiction of the car crash will vary. There will be specific constants, This is arguably the "core" reality... however the details will be observed differently based on each person who witnessed the incident.

The universal constant in this, is that a car crash happened... but the specific details surrounding it, are subjective to each person... this has nothing to do with "Feelings" but simply with what each individual observed, and what their minds decided were the important aspects for them to remember and build memories of the event around.

[Ken Harkin]

Sigmar Sich, on 25 February 2018 - 02:44 PM, said:

If you really like the game, you type "good game lads", "tight fight" or something like that.
"gg" in All chat is just a spit on enemy team, don't mistake it for anything else. I totally disapprove this.

Yet you are far fro a dominating majority or authority on the matter. Don't simply assume the worst.

[ramp4ge]

CMDR Sunset Shimmer, on 26 February 2018 - 04:35 PM, said:

You missed the entire point of my statement that scientifically, you can prove that reality shifts depending on the views of those viewing the same event in time.


Take three people, who witnessed the same car crash, and their depiction of the car crash will vary. There will be specific constants, This is arguably the "core" reality... however the details will be observed differently based on each person who witnessed the incident.

The universal constant in this, is that a car crash happened... but the specific details surrounding it, are subjective to each person... this has nothing to do with "Feelings" but simply with what each individual observed, and what their minds decided were the important aspects for them to remember and build memories of the event around.

I didn't miss the point, I just don't agree with it.

Your car crash example. Yes, the occupants of the car--or all of those involved--may remember different things, but what if the investigation of the accident comes up with a conclusion that doesn't fit what ANY of those involved remember? The reality of what the investigation finds is not subjective, even if those that were involved in the accident feel that it happened a different way. Again, even in your example, legally, we would side with the results of the investigation. Realz before feelz. We had the investigation so we would not have to rely on the subjective feelings of what someone though they remembered.

Again, "reality is subjective" is post-modernism. And I don't buy it. At all. I don't buy post-modernist theory anymore than I buy flat-earth theory. They're both equally ridiculous.

[GenghisJr]

thx4g

[SpectreHD]

ramp4ge, on 26 February 2018 - 08:18 AM, said:

2nd familiar face I've seen here. How goes it man?

Doing alright. Could be better. But still surviving.

[EnochsBook]

CMDR Sunset Shimmer, on 26 February 2018 - 04:35 PM, said:

You missed the entire point of my statement that scientifically, you can prove that reality shifts depending on the views of those viewing the same event in time.


Take three people, who witnessed the same car crash, and their depiction of the car crash will vary. There will be specific constants, This is arguably the "core" reality... however the details will be observed differently based on each person who witnessed the incident.

The universal constant in this, is that a car crash happened... but the specific details surrounding it, are subjective to each person... this has nothing to do with "Feelings" but simply with what each individual observed, and what their minds decided were the important aspects for them to remember and build memories of the event around.

Do you really think that reality strictly equals a witness' account of what happened?

I don't think you have proven that "reality shifts". I think you have proven that a witness' account cannot always be trusted.

[sycocys]

Here's the deal, its literally a miracle this game exists at all much less makes enough money to keep the servers online somehow.

You "should" post GG at the end of every match because if those other 23 people weren't there you'd be standing at a table playing with your robot shaped dolls with the same 1 other person you know in real life that also likes to play with robot shaped dolls.
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"No sir, I didn't see you playing with your dolls again."

[Lupis Volk]

gg
ggez
ggclose
ggclothes
ggwp
wp

I can keep going.

So am i going to internet jail now for the crime of triggering those who are thinned skinned?

[Kroete]

Lupis Volk, on 27 February 2018 - 03:23 AM, said:

So am i going to internet jail now for the crime of triggering those who are thinned skinned?

I dont think so,
but it shows that you dont have sportsmanship (making you a jerk)
or lowered expectations (making you a pitiable guy).

For myself it doesnt matter if some random guy says something in a virtual computer game,
its just like a hobo who babble some curses because i dont give him a coin.

Edited by Kroete, 27 February 2018 - 03:34 AM.

[Lupis Volk]

Kroete, on 27 February 2018 - 03:30 AM, said:

I dont think so,
but it shows that you dont have sportsmanship
or lowered expectations.

For myself it doesnt matter if some random guy says something in a virtual computer game,
its just like a hobo who babble some curses in the trainstation because i dont give him a coin.

"sportsmanship"

Oooooh i'm surprised you can see that from upon your high horse.
Please show us on the paper doll where the big meanie hurt you with words.

To take any offence to the phrase "GG" in a situation where you are on the losing end shows how fragile you are and how little real sportsman ship you have.

Edited by Lupis Volk, 27 February 2018 - 03:35 AM.