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[Kiiyor]

Variant1, on 25 February 2018 - 02:24 PM, said:

In recent matches people dont seem to understand the concept of gg-ing. So ill do my best to help everyone one out

When gg-ing type it after the losing team has gg-ed not before, if you do before the losing team it is considered bad manners. Please gg responsibly and avoid creating salt. In fact it is best to say: "thank you for the match" instead as it is more neutral and less bound to create salt.

avoid gg-ing in matches that are close to stomps say 2-12 or 0-12 as this tends to generate the most amounts of salt.

remember only to gg after the losing team and have fun mechwarriors. hopefully this will lead to the future of better manners and more pleasant matches

GG isn't evil, It's just sportsmanship, like players shaking hands after a nice game of football/soccer/badminton/curling. You shouldn't have to stress about how others will accept a token of goodwill after a match, no matter the score.

Federer doesn't critique people on their grip after shaking hands, or request some sort of elaborate bow instead.

There's no in depth insult to it, yet people are often so insecure after a loss that they seem determined to take offence from something completely innocuous.

GG close, however...

[Kroete]

Lupis Volk, on 27 February 2018 - 03:33 AM, said:

"sportsmanship"

Oooooh i'm surprised you can see that from upon your high horse.
Please show us on the paper doll where the big meanie hurt you with words.

To take any offence to the phrase "GG" in a situation where you are on the losing end shows how fragile you are and how little real sportsman ship you have.

Please read again,
some random words from a random guy in a virtual computer game dont affect me by any means.

Edited by Kroete, 27 February 2018 - 03:42 AM.

[Lupis Volk]

Kroete, on 27 February 2018 - 03:40 AM, said:

Please read again,
some random words from a random guy in a virtual computer game dont affect me by any means.

While that might not effect you, it clearly does sadly to some people hence why we have this thread.

Kiiyor, on 27 February 2018 - 03:38 AM, said:

There's no in depth insult to it, yet people are often so insecure after a loss that they seem determined to take offence from something completely innocuous.

GG close, however...

QFTT

[Ghogiel]

FupDup, on 25 February 2018 - 02:46 PM, said:

On this topic, I've been doing a little non-scientific study of how people use GG at the end of matches. Note that I only count GGs in public chat because I can only read team chat for my own team (can't account for enemy chat GGs so I don't count either team's). If I did count teamchat GGs then the numbers would be massively skewed towards winner GGs.
My results from MWO and Overwatch so far:

MWO:
Winner GGs: 835
Loser GGs: 336
Ratio: 2.485

Overwatch:
Winner GGs: 647
Loser GGs: 227
Ratio: 2.85

So basically, people are more than twice as likely to say GG if they win than if they lose. This basically shows that the little theory of "it's a handshake dude" isn't actually playing out in reality. People seem to only want to "shake hands" when they win.

Change your conclusion to "So basically people are less likely to say GG if they lose more than they win. This basically show that players are more likely to be sore losers and less likely to want to handshake back. People seem to never want to shake hands when they lose."

Edited by Ghogiel, 27 February 2018 - 04:07 AM.

[PocketYoda]

This thread explains the ******* population of this game in a nutshell.. mouth breather garbage..

[jper4]

I just keep it simple.

if it's 12-8 or closer in either direction (ie 8-12 to 12-8) then it is a GG in my opinion- competitive and relatively close so both teams most likely had a chance to win at one point.

conquest if it's a cap win and both sides over 600 then it's pretty close so a "GG" there as well.

if the one guy almost manages to take out the base in assault/incursion despite it being a 1-11/11-1 match at that point then it's "good try (enemy mech)"

if our side wins outside of those ranges I'll type in team chat "gj" and keep quiet in all chat.

if our side loses outside those ranges I must insult and blame every other player- including the 11 who outdamaged/outscored/outproduced and outsurvived me- on our side and loudly complain in all chat as well just so the other side doesn't feel left out in hearing how bad our side was (except for me who obviously would have soloed the other team had I not been so handicapped by my teammates).

[TWIAFU]

Escef, on 26 February 2018 - 02:19 PM, said:

You didn't ask me any questions. You made accusations. But you asked no questions.

I'm just here to rub in your face the fact that by your standards of manliness I'm better than you.

Escef, on 26 February 2018 - 02:21 PM, said:

You asked no questions. Except, perhaps, to ask why I was asking?

I'm just here to rub in your face the fact that by your standards of manliness I'm better than you.



Which tyrannical dictator did I compare you to? You speak of straw men, I see you have experience with them.

I was taught that real men never need to rub their manly superiority into the face of others, especially to those they find inferior.

Sad such a statement comes from a Vet.

[Tom Sawyer]

When I say gg or o7 after a match, be it we got stomped or did the stomping I do so with no intention of being a a$$.

However when I say it to PGI, "GG PGI", I mean it in every sense.

[CMDR Sunset Shimmer]

ramp4ge, on 26 February 2018 - 04:51 PM, said:

I didn't miss the point, I just don't agree with it.

Your car crash example. Yes, the occupants of the car--or all of those involved--may remember different things, but what if the investigation of the accident comes up with a conclusion that doesn't fit what ANY of those involved remember? The reality of what the investigation finds is not subjective, even if those that were involved in the accident feel that it happened a different way. Again, even in your example, legally, we would side with the results of the investigation. Realz before feelz. We had the investigation so we would not have to rely on the subjective feelings of what someone though they remembered.

Again, "reality is subjective" is post-modernism. And I don't buy it. At all. I don't buy post-modernist theory anymore than I buy flat-earth theory. They're both equally ridiculous.

The reality of the "investigation" Does not make it's view any more valid than the reality of what the bystanders, and what the drivers experienced.

So you're saying that a 3rd party investigate, who witnessed none of the situation, can come in, from outside of the situation, with no actual grounding in what happened, decree what happened, and their decree is law?

That, makes no sense... granted that IS how things tend to work within the "reality" of the world. But only goes so far as to once again prove my point. Reality is very subjective... in the car crash example we're saying 3 witnessed the crash, and we can extrapolate that there were 2 more drivers. that's 5 people who witnessed the event from different points and different views.

That is 5 different "Reality's" of the situation... each who viewed that event, have viewed it differently. Now it doesn't change that a car crash happened, but it does shape the reality of the event for each of those individuals.

A third party coming in and saying "no no, THIS is what happened." does not shift the reality of what was witnessed via the 5 individuals who witnessed the event first hand, and saw, from their point of view what happened.

In fact, if anything, this 3rd party that comes in after the fact, has their own reality of the situation based on their own conclusions and views... which have shaped their reality of how that car crash, which they did not witness... happened.


Again, the point is proven, Reality, is subjective. There is an underlaying thread, that is a "hard" reality... but everything around it, is subjective to the individual.

[CMDR Sunset Shimmer]

sycocys, on 27 February 2018 - 03:19 AM, said:

Here's the deal, its literally a miracle this game exists at all much less makes enough money to keep the servers online somehow.

You "should" post GG at the end of every match because if those other 23 people weren't there you'd be standing at a table playing with your robot shaped dolls with the same 1 other person you know in real life that also likes to play with robot shaped dolls.
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"No sir, I didn't see you playing with your dolls again."

Hey you're right, I'd be playing a single player mech game where NONE of this matters and I wouldn't have to say GG for any reason.

Like Playing Gundam Breaker, or Gundam Crossfire, or Armored Core, or Front Mission, or Super Robot Wars... or any number of other single player mecha games out there that are, honestly, leagues above MWO.

look man, I love battletech, I love Mechwarrior, and there are times, when I love this Community, but I've seen way, WAY too god damned many people, who specifically say GG just to get a rise out of others, they do it intentially, on stomps, there is no sportsmanship...

I've been told, by too many people who willingly abuse mechanics in online games, who willingly exploit systems, that that's "just how it goes."

How are those things sportsmanlike? You want to talk good sportsmanship... I'm pretty sure, it just doesn't exist in online games anymore, I've been told it doesn't exist since 1999...

So yeah, I'm pretty well convinced, Sportsmanship doesn't exist in online games... just look at all the aholes that keep getting booted off e-sports teams for talking trash.

doesn't mean I'm going to go out of my way to be an a-hole, but it doesn't mean I have to like it when you GG me after a stomp either.

[LowSubmarino]

Variant1, on 25 February 2018 - 02:24 PM, said:

In recent matches people dont seem to understand the concept of gg-ing. So ill do my best to help everyone one out

When gg-ing type it after the losing team has gg-ed not before, if you do before the losing team it is considered bad manners. Please gg responsibly and avoid creating salt. In fact it is best to say: "thank you for the match" instead as it is more neutral and less bound to create salt.

avoid gg-ing in matches that are close to stomps say 2-12 or 0-12 as this tends to generate the most amounts of salt.

remember only to gg after the losing team and have fun mechwarriors. hopefully this will lead to the future of better manners and more pleasant matches

Hahahaha.....dood. You gotte grow tougher.
If that even phases you than youll have your hands more than full, even with the sweetest darling that never even thinks about giving you drama.

Most will just see a full fledged little baby that cries when theres really nothing else to do but to shrug, smile or simply dont give a ****.

Cute how sensitive you are.

I gg whenever I want it.

[EnochsBook]

CMDR Sunset Shimmer, on 27 February 2018 - 04:57 AM, said:

The reality of the "investigation" Does not make it's view any more valid than the reality of what the bystanders, and what the drivers experienced.

Yes, it does. If an investigator comes, looks at the evidence, interrogates the witnesses, uses their brain and their training, they will probably be able to find the cause of the accident.

CMDR Sunset Shimmer, on 27 February 2018 - 04:57 AM, said:

So you're saying that a 3rd party investigate, who witnessed none of the situation, can come in, from outside of the situation, with no actual grounding in what happened, decree what happened, and their decree is law?

Yeah, that's how investigations are conducted. By people who were not part of the incident. Also, it sounds like you're confusing "law" with "reality". It's obvious that in a trial, what the judge decides might not always be the right thing. They can make mistakes. That doesn't affect the rality of what happened, no more than the also possibly erroneous account of of the witnesses.

CMDR Sunset Shimmer, on 27 February 2018 - 04:57 AM, said:

Reality is very subjective... in the car crash example we're saying 3 witnessed the crash, and we can extrapolate that there were 2 more drivers. that's 5 people who witnessed the event from different points and different views.

Reality is not subjective. What happened in the car crash happened, regardless of any of the witnesses' account. Their points of view are important, even essential to "solve" the crash, but the are not reality in itself.
Here's why: some of them might be wrong.
If a witness says that the reason the crash happened is because the other car was invisible, it is obvious that there is no truth to what they are saying. Such a story does not fit with reality.

CMDR Sunset Shimmer, on 27 February 2018 - 04:57 AM, said:

That is 5 different "Reality's" of the situation... each who viewed that event, have viewed it differently. Now it doesn't change that a car crash happened, but it does shape the reality of the event for each of those individuals.

Maybe you have a different definition of "reality" than I do. What I personally think happened, my convictions and beliefs about the world, are not reality. Neither are the accounts of the witnesses. They are, at best, an attempt at describing reality.

CMDR Sunset Shimmer, on 27 February 2018 - 04:57 AM, said:

third party coming in and saying "no no, THIS is what happened." does not shift the reality of what was witnessed via the 5 individuals who witnessed the event first hand, and saw, from their point of view what happened.

It does not shift the reality of what happened. The point of the investigation is not to change anyone's mind about what happened, but to find what actually happened, using several angles and techniques, including listening to the witnesses.
And again, people might be wrong. They might have not paid attention, they might have misunderstood the situation, they might be lying. How would that work if there were 5 different realities?

CMDR Sunset Shimmer, on 27 February 2018 - 04:57 AM, said:

In fact, if anything, this 3rd party that comes in after the fact, has their own reality of the situation based on their own conclusions and views... which have shaped their reality of how that car crash, which they did not witness... happened.

I am now almost certain you don't use the same definition of "reality" than some of us in this thread do. "My own reality" is nonsense.

CMDR Sunset Shimmer, on 27 February 2018 - 04:57 AM, said:

Again, the point is proven, Reality, is subjective. There is an underlaying thread, that is a "hard" reality... but everything around it, is subjective to the individual.

Uhm... No offense but it sounds like you don't even know what you think.

[Water Bear]

The point of sportsmanship is that you try to be respectful and polite even when you're upset and don't feel like it. I wouldn't be surprised if that was the whole reason the concept was created.

When I'm playing a real life competitive sport and someone says 'gg' to me, I say it back. Even if I lost. I don't throw my racquet on the ground and start enumerating the dozen reasons I'm sure it was not a gg. I'm a grown *** man - I can't do that and expect anyone to respect me.

If you have a bunch of rules for when it's OK to say gg or have it said to you without you throwing a fit, then you're not doing it right.

[Kroete]

EnochsBook, on 27 February 2018 - 05:25 AM, said:

Maybe you have a different definition of "reality" than I do. What I personally think happened, my convictions and beliefs about the world, are not reality. Neither are the accounts of the witnesses. They are, at best, an attempt at describing reality.

Its more about the definition.
In german you have "realität" (reality) and "wirklichkeit" (reality), the difference is not that easy to explain.

Realität is what you see, feel and seems to be real. This counts also for spiritual believe and emotions.
Wírklichkeit is what it is, something you can measure, the opposite are dreams and fantasy.

Simple example:
A piece of jesus cross,
its "realität" for a true believer that it is a sacred relic,
but for a atheism its also "realität" that it is just a piece of wood.
In "Wirklichkeit" its everytime and allways an old piece of wood.

This was maybe to short and simple, but the difference between "Realität" and "Wirklichkeit" are discussed till the ancient times and the quantum mechanics makes it even more difficult.
Dont know if its better to read some books about it or just use the english "reality" and dont mess with it.

Edited by Kroete, 27 February 2018 - 06:15 AM.

[Damnedtroll]

WOW, 9 pages of arguing about saying GG ?

[LowSubmarino]

Water Bear, on 27 February 2018 - 06:04 AM, said:

The point of sportsmanship is that you try to be respectful and polite even when you're upset and don't feel like it. I wouldn't be surprised if that was the whole reason the concept was created.

When I'm playing a real life competitive sport and someone says 'gg' to me, I say it back. Even if I lost. I don't throw my racquet on the ground and start enumerating the dozen reasons I'm sure it was not a gg. I'm a grown *** man - I can't do that and expect anyone to respect me.

If you have a bunch of rules for when it's OK to say gg or have it said to you without you throwing a fit, then you're not doing it right.

Stop that hipocrisy.

Big talks here.

And yet I have seen not one mwo player spare a disconnected player.

Not once.

You greedily jump ontop of that disco guy and annihilate them. Not thinking one nanosecond about it hahahaha.

And then ya'll start talking about fair play.

Who's supposed to take you serious, eh?

[w4ldO]

LowSubmarino, on 27 February 2018 - 06:38 AM, said:

And yet I have seen not one mwo player spare a disconnected player.
Not once.
You greedily jump ontop of that disco guy and annihilate them. Not thinking one nanosecond about it hahahaha.
And then ya'll start talking about fair play.
Who's supposed to take you serious, eh?

[Metus regem]

To be fare Fup, I only type GG, when the game is close one, win or lose... Though to be fair, I find more close games in WoWs or Dreadnought then I do here....

[Mochyn Pupur]

ROFLStomp the opposition - GG in TEAM Chat - otherwise a simple tyftm etc. is more respectful to the other side.
Don't forget that MWO is an international game and that different nationalities have very differing view points on etiquette. As my old lecturer in social studies used to say "If in doubt, say nowt (nothing)" that way you can bask in the warmth of your gloating in the privacy of your own cockpit and let the other players move on to the next drop.

Admittedly, a few years back I played in a reunion rugby match and an ar@e on the other side went round saying "good game", "well played" after his side convincingly won (yes we are a little on the unfit, slightly overweight, balding side of 20), however, come uppance came when someone landed a perfect kick that allowed his doctor to view his gonads by opening his mouth! His behaviour had oddly enough caused a lot of ill feeling - strangely, none of his team members helped him as they were somewhat embarrassed with his attitude.

What may be right for you is certainly not always right for others - sportsmanship is learning when to say nothing as much as saying "GG".

[ANOM O MECH]

Escef, on 26 February 2018 - 01:56 PM, said:

Hi, my name's Jeff, and I'm an Iraq War veteran. I don't feel a need to call people "snowflake" because they have this idea that other human beings deserve respect and consideration. I don't operate under the bizarre, emotionally-stunted mindset that talking s*** to people that want a better world is evidence of my manliness. Maybe if the jackwagons that do that had actually ever stood for anything they might figure out how to be better human beings. I don't know. But I think it's strange that those people think being the exact same kind of dirtbags we, that is myself and my brothers and sisters in arms, fought against is the right way to honor us.

You have a sickness of the soul, and you're proud of it.

If you are saying I have a soul sickness because you posted some rant (which is not fact btw, the term was around before book and movie) then you are even more of a simpleton than I had imagined.

Also from twitch to here, you are one of the biggest whining, complaining not to mention confrontational man babies around.

I absolutely don't believe you are a veteran. You don't and have never displayed anything that resembles any kind of character or fortitude that would make that story believable. So clearly a case of stolen valour, as you just don't have the parts.

You can go ahead and whine and cry your response, but I am absolutely done wasting my time with you.

It is unfortunate people like you have no idea what it means to be a man and instead prefer the comfort of perpetual childhood.