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[Anjian]

Sagara Sousuke 011011001, on 19 February 2019 - 03:42 PM, said:

I can't think of that many bad plot lines. I liked the Gray Death Legion's original trilogy for instance and the Warrior series.

Its a little slow plot-wise but in terms of anime I did like Gasaraki. Its probably the most down to earth / realistic anime out there for mecha. I also like Full Metal Panic (clearly) but its not exactly geared to the Btech crowd.

Love Full Metal Panic. They need to continue the last recent series though.

The same guy produced both Dougram (inspiration for Battletech) and Gasaraki, but the best of his works, are no doubt, Armored Trooper Votoms (inspiration for Heavy Gear).

Votoms still one of the top mecha franchises ever. Deserves to be brought back again. Netflix seems to be in a habit of reviving or remaking old franchises, Devilman previously, and the upcoming Ultraman and Ghost in the Shell reboot.






Ryosuke Takahashi also did the cult classic Blue Gender. This one bound to leave an impression as it did for me till this day. A remake of Blue Gender is right up the kind of bloody and dark anime Netflix likes to produce.

Edited by Anjian, 20 February 2019 - 05:41 PM.

[Anjian]

Variant1, on 20 February 2019 - 12:29 PM, said:

heck no to netflix, its terrible , they shut down good marvel shows like daredevil and punisher.

As for anime also a heck no because in general its a stack of poo poo pancakes with more repetition than a stack of bricks.

Now if where talking 3d animation with a more grounded feel to mechs like lumbering destruction machine with a western production company then it could work. But they would have to deal with purchasing the rights to use it. Im thinking a few elements of GOT for houses and mostly heavy action battles with 3 lances to entire armies duking it out using hopefully the MWO mech designs.

Netflix had to cancel all Marvel shows because Disney raising the licensing fees or not renewing them, because Disney is preparing to launch its own streaming service, Disney+. All the Marvel and Star Wars TV shows are going to go there, even assuming the ones from Netflix might be renewed.

"Western production company?" Nowadays, a lot of the CG FX are being done and subcontracted to Chinese VFX firms.

Live action + cheap CG and VFX does not work very well and is likely going to happen if you don't put a huge budget on it. With live action, the CG realism must be a lot better or higher or it would look cheesy. If you do a complete CGI style production, the CG requirements are going to be much lower as everything blends in with one CG standard. This will greatly lower the cost. You don't expect to get a large audience here to justify a large budget.

GOT storylines are overdone these days. You need a new angle.

Edited by Anjian, 20 February 2019 - 06:18 PM.

[Kaeb Odellas]

If you want politics with your giant robots, just watch the various Gundam series.

Mobile Suit Gundam: Iron-Blooded Orphans even follows a mercenary company.

Edited by Kaeb Odellas, 20 February 2019 - 06:27 PM.

[Anjian]

Bombast, on 20 February 2019 - 07:29 AM, said:

There really aren't many plot holes (Maybe some of the Jihad/Dark Age stuff doesn't make sense, but that's another issue) and most of the stereotypes can be explained by the Asian Great Houses being formed not by their actual cultural precursors, but by weeaboos (And whatever the Chinese equivalent of a Weeaboo is) who's perspective is a bit skewed. The guy who founded the Draconis Combine was from a place called New Samarkland. Sumarkland is in Uzbekistan, and here's a list of coordinators.

Robert
Parker
Von Vohrs
Martin McAllistar
Warren
Leonard
Blaine
Theodore
Vincent

That's not explainable to an audience. If you can have a Caucasian acting in an Asian type role, that's not going to look good. Guess what happened to that movie where you have a Caucasian playing a role supposedly for an Asian.

Edited by Anjian, 20 February 2019 - 06:59 PM.

[Water Bear]

Could they? Sure. Will they? Magic 8 ball says "don't count on it."

[TheArisen]

Anjian, on 20 February 2019 - 06:57 PM, said:

That's not explainable to an audience. If you can have a Caucasian acting in an Asian type role, that's not going to look good. Guess what happened to that movie where you have a Caucasian playing a role supposedly for an Asian.

Ghost in The Shell? Well the Japanese liked Scar.Jo as the Major and indeed the anime character's design is based off of an English model plus it was explained quite well in the movie itself that it was an android body made to look different from the Major's original one.

[LordNothing]

i think id rather have live action over anime. one thing i like about battletech is it gets away from the anime trappings in favor of a more utilitarian look. unseens need not apply (frankly i like the reseens better).

Edited by LordNothing, 20 February 2019 - 09:30 PM.

[Anjian]

TheArisen, on 20 February 2019 - 09:26 PM, said:

Ghost in The Shell? Well the Japanese liked Scar.Jo as the Major and indeed the anime character's design is based off of an English model plus it was explained quite well in the movie itself that it was an android body made to look different from the Major's original one.

I don't have problems with ScJ either but obviously there are enough who do.

Edited by Anjian, 20 February 2019 - 10:03 PM.

[Anjian]

LordNothing, on 20 February 2019 - 09:29 PM, said:

i think id rather have live action over anime. one thing i like about battletech is it gets away from the anime trappings in favor of a more utilitarian look. unseens need not apply (frankly i like the reseens better).

I don't know what you mean by utilitarian look, but mechwarriors looking like the cast of Mad Max driving robots isn't going to fly either. The problem of live action is that unless you have sufficient budgeting --- and live action will always costs you a hell of a lot more than animation --- its going to look cheesy. Kind of like the show Dark Matter which had a cheesy budget vs. The Expanse, which had a good budget. Trying to make CGI look real enough to blend with live action characters will also cost you a lot more than CGI for the sake of an animated feature which doesn't need that high a standard. Because of the budget, you can only afford shorter scenes of mech to mech action --- and you can end up repeating the same action scene over and over again like the original Battlestar Galactica --- just to save money.


How much money would it take to recreate this anime sequence into a CGI boosted live action sequence?

[LordNothing]

not saying it would be cheap, especially for a tv show budget. i just dont want my battletech to look like gundam. i also don't want to see repetitious stock sequences you saw in the battletech cartoon.

Edited by LordNothing, 21 February 2019 - 11:56 AM.

[Anjian]

LordNothing, on 21 February 2019 - 11:23 AM, said:

not saying it would be cheap, especially for a tv show budget. i just dont want my battletech to look like gundam. i also don't want to see repetitious stock sequences you saw in the battletech cartoon.

A lot of mecha anime don't look like Gundam either. Even then any Gundam looks way better than Robot Jox.

I have never seen any recent well made anime use repeated stock sequence in battle other than the transformation sequence.

The Battletech cartoon is a complete embarassment. So is Robot Jox. At least when it comes to a Western produced mecha show, the Heavy Gear one was fairly decent, and the Starship Troopers one was quite good. The last one was Japanese 3D produced though.

[LordNothing]

neither robot jox nor the original bt cartoon are good examples. the former was a b movie at best, the latter was a show for the kiddies. i cant really name any western mecha that was good. but thats more of a reason to try and do it right. im not against a more anime look to the kurita/liao mechs, that kind of fits the lore, but when i see the inner sphere i want to see a gritty industrial look. problem with anime mecha is you got these big beautiful fighting robots that just dont look like they belong in the military.

[arcana75]

The only way a tv series or movie will happen is if there's some wealthy benefactor who's a BT nut funds it no matter the consequences, or if a BT nut rises high enough in the industry to push the agenda. All the reboots we see today are due to nerds and geeks growing up and getting into the necessary places to revive these intellectual properties.

People like to link BT to Game of Thrones. Maybe sure, there's alot of similarities, clans = whitewalkers check, warring houses check, fantastical methods of war check, loads of characters and political shenanigans check.

Certainly there's alot of fans who dig the political intrigue and stuff, but most stay for the battles, gory fights, dragons and nude women fake-bonking. Ask any GoT fan to recollect scenes from GoT, what do they come up with? The Stark beheading, the 1v1 between the Viper and the Mountain and drum roll... the doggy between Jason Mamoa and Emilia Clarke.

Like the mini-series Spartacus, it had a badly written story, over-long script, sappy lines and well-known ending, but it was full of gory fights and gorgeous nude babes and very fit hunks fake-humping all day long and so it had massive ratings (at least for the initial episodes). Did I mention VERY beautiful women doing soft-core porn? Some scenes... I think the actors literally just said screw it let's screw for real. It was that graphic.

So if you think a BT series will work, it better have alot of gorgeous nude babes fake-humping in space, and a benefactor.

There's always hope. A Dune movie is confirmed.

Edited by arcana75, 21 February 2019 - 06:44 PM.

[Anjian]

LordNothing, on 21 February 2019 - 04:20 PM, said:

neither robot jox nor the original bt cartoon are good examples. the former was a b movie at best, the latter was a show for the kiddies. i cant really name any western mecha that was good. but thats more of a reason to try and do it right. im not against a more anime look to the kurita/liao mechs, that kind of fits the lore, but when i see the inner sphere i want to see a gritty industrial look. problem with anime mecha is you got these big beautiful fighting robots that just dont look like they belong in the military.

The problem is that BT isn't truly Western mecha. It started as renamed Japanese mecha, and even as the designs turn original, they do not depart much from the template left by the Japanese mecha that became "unseen", and in fact, even long after the "Unseen" era, time to time, BT/MW still draws rejuvenating inspiration from Japanese mecha, which again, are designed for the animated screen.

Truly original Western mecha.











Designing robot for live action scene is not the same as designing robot for animated screen.

Sometimes I think its just better to create an all original IP using truly Westernized designs.

Edited by Anjian, 21 February 2019 - 09:16 PM.

[Agent1190]

Why does it have to be anime? All you'll get are 16 year old pilots dressed as schoolgirls and Battlemechs that look and move like Gundams.

[Koniving]

Adridos, on 03 March 2018 - 10:36 AM, said:

There is no Western style when it comes to giant robots, friend.
Pacific Rim design team required anime-fans only. Megas XLR, Symbiotic Titan, or the new Voltron are all anime imitations. Likewise, the old Battletech cartoon was nothing more than a company imitating Toei style of anime.

Except Transformers. I'm fairly certain you do not want to watch a Battletech movie/series by the Transfomers "team".

The original Battletech cartoon... is more like a cheesy GI Joe special, where the art style is similar to 80s/90s comics. Dead Space's animated comic


is closer to dead space than what comes up when you google Toei style anime

[Koniving]

Add mechs to Turok, and you've got a certain planet in Battletech...





Familiar?



Bam, Battletech's half done. And there's a glimpse of a more modern western style.
Though Starship Troopers Roughnecks is a bit more of a visual style I'd like to see.

Edited by Koniving, 22 February 2019 - 05:13 PM.

[Anjian]

Agent1190, on 22 February 2019 - 03:28 PM, said:

Why does it have to be anime? All you'll get are 16 year old pilots dressed as schoolgirls and Battlemechs that look and move like Gundams.

There is a weird creative reason for that.

What happens when these cute kids DIE in their mechs?

Scene from the currently running Price of Smiles.

See innocent Loli Princess finds out her childhood friend and protector is dead starting around 3:00. But better to watch the whole sequence.




This show is very good actually, and it does not show sides as black and white. Each episode alternates to a character on each side of the war, showing the conflict from both sides.

[kf envy]

netflix no way they go all off topic an try to politisize it now amazon they could to an battletech anime or even live action an do it right an stay with the BT lore

[The6thMessenger]

Well, they'd probably make Natasha Kerensky as a proud black obese transgender woman, which is also a vegan crossfitting pansexual.