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[Dee Eight]

Rhaezor, on 11 March 2018 - 06:59 PM, said:

12 KMDD with zeus? really? I easier to do KMDD with mediums.

And the assists... 5 required?!!?! I HAVE 100 to get 12 KMDD, do we play the same game?

Some of us know how to aim, and the PGI staff clearly expect those of us who do, to achieve the 12 easily...and we have. I got mine in 4 matches. Except for the XL and that they built around the wrong variant...the zeus champion's triple SRM6+artemis fist o' doom works very well for getting KMDDs. The 9S2 is the best for triple SRM6, the 6S is great for a LB10 and an MRM30, and the 9S for an MRM40 with a bunch of lasers.

9S...350 LFE, 18 DHS, Endo, 480 pts of armor, MRM40 w/4 tons of ammo, triple MPL left arm, 3 Small lasers LT/CT, 1.4 Heat MGMT, 67.8 alpha strike. Start with the MRMs, get closer use the MPL and closer still the small lasers.

6s... 325 LFE, 15 DHS, Endo, 480 pts of armor, MRM30 w/4 tons of ammo, quad Small lasers, LB10 w/ 3 tons and MG w/0.5 tons, 1.62 heat mgmt and 56.2 alpha. Start with both the LB and MRM, small lasers and MG are the close range backup.

9S2... 325LFE, 14 DHS, Endo, 480, Triple Artemis SRM6 w/4 tons of ammo, LB10 w/3 tons of ammo, 2 ERML. Start with the LB, then use the lasers, then switch to the missiles and LB closer in. Alternatively fit triple streak-6s, downgrade the lasers to ER Smalls and go with 491 pts of light ferro armor.

[Gasoline]

Peace2U, on 11 March 2018 - 02:30 PM, said:

I am a terrible pilot.
Trying for the event goal with the trial catapult, and got 2 KMDD in over a day of playing time (need NINE for the event).
It has 2 LRM 15's and 2 srm 6's with an XL engine. The DPS with this build is very low, and it's difficult to sustain lock without having your torso melted off, which doesn't work very well with the stock XL engine.
Did great with the other trial mechs.
End result, I must be a terrible pilot.
Hope you other players are having better luck.
Peace.

You're not a bad pilot, it's more like a bad design of the mech.

It's very slow with an XL255 which is bad per se in a mech that is also very vulernable due to the engine and the fact that it has all weapons arm mounted. It has very limited ammo reserves (6 tons LRM, 2 tons SRM). It has neither sustained dps nor alpha power.

[ZortPointNarf]

I have to revisit my original view, the fact that kills don't count is infuriating, 3 alphas with my zeus, 4MPL, 3SRM6Arti, take a leg and a arm, most of a shoulder, then proceed to kill the Jenner and still don't get KMDD, wtf.
It took me about as long in the Zeus to get the KMDD, as the rest of the IS ones combined.

Kill count really needs to be fixed for the next one, if that is done, this would be a great recurring event every time they change the rent-a-mechs.

[MrKvola]

Took me 6 matches or so to do the Zeus challenge. Basically the champion build, just swapped the engine for a LFE350 and lost a ton of SRM ammo. I'm pretty sure that the trial build would work too. Problem is that with a Zeus you need to watch your postioning and timing, or you're dead meat. So it is doable and not even that hard, actually - if you know what you're doing.

[Rhaezor]

Did I say it wasnt possible? I said it was boring. A medium hunting lights does 6 KMDD much faster than a 9S Zeus. So where is the logic behind PGI requirments, also: explain the assists smartass, quite fast to jump too conclusion I cant aim when 500 dmg games can give only one KMDD. I would send you somewhere but then the forum would have to censor it.

[Daurock]

So, at the halfway point in the event, Here's my notes from the first half For the record, i finished 4 of the 8 sets, (1 trial catapult and 3 mechs i had a variant of in the garage.)

1- Encourages the use of a lot of otherwise rarely used mechs; This is a really good thing, as it not only gets me using mechs i otherwise wouldn't, but it also gives me a chance to shoot at them. Gives me a reason to pickup a mech, and try out some builds on it to compare to other, similar mechs i'm more familiar with. When comparing them, though, it brings me to . .

2- Illuminates just how bad some of the mechs really are. One of the mechs I did was the shadow cat - This mech was awful for me, and everything i tried on it i failed miserably at. I'd rather be in a Stormcrow, hunch2c, or Arctic Wolf 10 times over. People are noting similar things for many of the mechs in the set, so it's not just me.

3 - Once you're done with the requirements, there's about 0 incentive to play these mechs anymore. For the Scat and orion, for example, i pretty much stopped on them as soon as i could. This isn't exactly a great thing. Essentially, once i was done, no more incentive to keep playing.

So, on to some suggestions -
1) Love the idea of having an event that brings un-played mechs to the forefront. Keeps variety in the game, and keeps a reason to bring some of my mechs out of storage
2) hopefully, can give some reason to give said mechs a buff - There's a reason that the they were in storage. Bad mechs shouldn't need an incentive just to be played at all.
3) For the duration of the event, i'd recommend a small change to the reward format - I think the Camo reward is good, so let's keep that! However, instead of an X C-bill bonus,I'd instead change up that part of the reward - I'd make the mechs give a full 50% c-bill bonus for the duration of the event instead - That way, if a person wants to continue playing the mech, they can continue playing it, and just keep the rewards flowing in.

[MovinTarget]

@Daurok

I mostly agree, but I found my 6 ML Jenner fun to play again, now with the skill tree giving it some ability to play as a striker.

Besides, if most people learned to think outside their box a bit, the game would be better for it overall...

[PanzerTC]

Thanks PGI. So far this is fun. 8 4 8 so far. We will see how part II goes.

[D V Devnull]

Well, I've now been proverbially 'kicked in the face' twice by Real Life. Along with missing the "Arctic Wolf Camo" 50% Off Sale, I've also been forced to miss the "Trial By Fire: Phase 1" 40% Off Sale on specific Mechs. Pardon my being salty due to Real Life ripping me away, but I severely hope that there will be a repeat of these sales either during or after the "2018 Lucky Charms Loot Bag" (or whatever it will be called?) Event.

~D. V. "could say more, but they're really depressed right now" Devnull




[Edit by author for some missing double quotes.]

Edited by D V Devnull, 12 March 2018 - 04:10 PM.

[Bakamur]

Some of the matches have been fun, but FAR too many are full of bitter, frustrated people, tired of 5 and 6 losses in a row, and just turn toxic. I doubt I'll even try to complete any in Phase 2. The level of frustration is just too high to be worth it...

[Anton Fetladral]

This is a horrible event. I've played MWO for a year and this is the first time I've seriously considered quitting. It's obviously a money grab by PGI. Mostly I've found PGI has been devoted to making a great game. But this event feels like it was invented by bean counters trying to squeeze out a pound of flesh.

I see two camps: 1) I'm so great this was EZ for me 2) I'm angry frustrated and bitter

Neither are much fun to play with or be around and this event encourages both kinds of behavior.

[latinisator]

Anton Fetladral, on 12 March 2018 - 06:49 PM, said:

It's obviously a money grab by PGI.

Could you please be specific about that? The Mechs required for the event are available for CBills, the ingame currency. Ok, you *might* have to get some MechBays. *Might*. Sorry, I just do not see your point.

[Laser Kiwi]

yeah this is a good event, not a money grabber. The good mechs are available for c bills earnable in game and you get free skins if you 'win'. Now i didn't bother doing most of them but its nice to roll out the ol Zeus and i always like to jump in the K2pult.

AS with all events take it or leave it, but "money grab", can't see it. If you don't like it, don't play the event, go out and farm guys playing in trial catapults or whatever........

[Anton Fetladral]

It's a money grab because it encourages people to play subpar mechs that they will not play in the future.   There is literally no other reason that someone would buy a Dragon or Panther, to name a few.

All you have to do is look around the game to see it is not primarily being fought by trial mechs.  Also some of the trials are clearly sub-par, even for the sub-par chassis they've been built on, which makes the event even less fun.

Some of you are obviously better at mechwarrior than money.

This game is paid for by whales.  Whales use events as excuses to buy mechs.  This event features specific mechs - most of which will not be played after the event.  It does not offer players good value.  Also, the decision to not fix the KNOWN bug and instead focus on whatever else the devs are doing (perhaps the questionable Solaris re-branding) smacks of profits before product since it saves them money by giving the players a less favorable experience.  If most players were to choose, they would certainly pick "fix the bug", not "save the devs some work".

Edited by Anton Fetladral, 12 March 2018 - 10:38 PM.

[FallGuy0815]

WTF? The whole event CAN be don with trial mechs, it is just not so pleasant with some of them. So Money grab?

They try to get the people to play with the trials (sucessfully, as far as i can see on the lower tiers), and motivate them to buy some of them if ppl like them. Thats called succesfull marketing, not money grab.

As the reward for every single chassis is just a million and a paint job, if you are tired ot the thing, just do not aim for in any more. Seriously, everyone and his uncle is aiming at KMDDs now, if you want to have a laugh, play conquest or assault with one or two buddys and go for the objectives. No one will care about you, you will win, and easily get more than a million in 3 games.

Only thing you are missing out on is the paint job. Just chill. The event started on the wrong foot, but i think the intention was very good, and by now everyone got the corrected rules, so why is there still salt?

You can either:
- just walk away for a week
- exploit the strange behaviour of the ppl aiming for their last kmdd
- ignore that whole thing and play your normal game

If some "whales" will spend money on the current trial mechs ... well, praise them. The devs want to eat too.

Edit: I would not consider me a whale money-wise, but i think i will go for the timber and the stormcrow. The rest is nothing to sneeze it either, but i have a mech in a similar weight class and role for all the IS-mechs, and i am not really that good with assault or lights.

Edited by FallGuy0815, 12 March 2018 - 11:01 PM.

[Anton Fetladral]

Of course it is a money grab. Every store that discounts regularly will naturally do most of its business during the discount times. For example, most publicly traded retailers have a 4Q selling season that is more than the other 3 combined. The same is going to be true for PGI during sales. So the question is - what is on sale and what does it to for the customer (player)? Well, the Stormcrow and Timby you mentioned are good but most of the rest is stuff people generally don't want to buy.

PGI could launch an event that works as originally intended featuring mechs that don't suck. Sorry getting KMDDs in out-of-favor IS light mechs is a recipe for frustration in the vast majority of players. 2/4 of my Panther KMDDs were. made against.... other Panthers! I would rate myself as an about average player.

This is a 2 week long event and I don't like the effect it's had on the game.

FallGuy0815, on 12 March 2018 - 10:21 PM, said:

You can either:
- just walk away for a week
- exploit the strange behaviour of the ppl aiming for their last kmdd
- ignore that whole thing and play your normal game

It's cool how you're wanting to stay positive. Good suggestions! However:

1. OK, that's clearly not what a bonus event is supposed to encourage.
2. Done that... it was fun to streakboat crappy IS lights for a while but only adds to the frustration level of those players... just transfers the salt around, really, and is kind of gimmicky.
3. Well, my normal game is to buy mechs when they are on sale and boy am I getting some **** mechs. I'm happy to feed the devs but I do not want **** in return.

One of the things people learn in Business School is that it is a lot cheaper to retain your customers than it is to find new ones.

FallGuy0815, on 12 March 2018 - 10:21 PM, said:

everyone got the corrected rules

everyone got the fudged rules

fixed

"uh well we thought it would be better for players if the servers had no down time" your software is broken and if it takes that long to make a small change on your server so are your build processes!

I like MWO a lot but this is the first event I've seen that made me want to play the game LESS. Judging by this thread I've got plenty of company.

Edited by Anton Fetladral, 12 March 2018 - 11:40 PM.

[Horseman]

Anton Fetladral, on 12 March 2018 - 06:49 PM, said:

I see two camps: 1) I'm so great this was EZ for me 2) I'm angry frustrated and bitter

The event is easy for those of us who already own the chassis in question. Those who have to tough it out with the trials are effectively playing hard mode.

Anton Fetladral, on 12 March 2018 - 10:12 PM, said:

It's a money grab because it encourages people to play subpar mechs that they will not play in the future.

That's not the definition of a money grab.

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There is literally no other reason that someone would buy a Dragon or Panther, to name a few.

You clearly forgot last MWOWC and a certain Dragon featured there. Most of the chassis in this event are fine and have viable builds, it's just that those aren't the trial builds.

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This game is paid for by whales. Whales use events as excuses to buy mechs.

Whales do not need excuses to buy mechs.

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This event features specific mechs - most of which will not be played after the event.

Your assumption.

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Also, the decision to not fix the KNOWN bug and instead focus on whatever else the devs are doing (perhaps the questionable Solaris re-branding) smacks of profits before product since it saves them money by giving the players a less favorable experience. If most players were to choose, they would certainly pick "fix the bug", not "save the devs some work".

Would most players also choose "fix the bug at the cost of losing progress in an ongoing event"? I think not.

Anton Fetladral, on 12 March 2018 - 11:16 PM, said:

Or, PGI could launch an event that works as originally intended featuring mechs that don't suck. Sorry getting KMDDs in IS light mechs is a recipe for frustration.

Here's how you do it: hunt other lights, or fragile mediums.

And, dude? You're doing exactly what you complained about just a little earlier:.

Anton Fetladral, on 12 March 2018 - 06:49 PM, said:

I see two camps: 1) I'm so great this was EZ for me 2) I'm angry frustrated and bitter
Neither are much fun to play with or be around

If, as you already said, you don't want to play this game anymore? Just don't play it and don't inflict your attitude on those who still play.

Edited by Horseman, 13 March 2018 - 02:49 AM.

[FallGuy0815]

Anton Fetladral, on 12 March 2018 - 11:16 PM, said:

everyone got the fudged rules

fixed

OK, this really is the elephant in the room. For getting KMDDs, i am really struggling with the dragon, might as well leave it out completely. If the orginal (intended) rules woud still be in place - 15 KMDDs _OR_ Kills, i would probably done by now. This Gauss/Laser-Combination allows you to take a damaged mech down fast, but you will kill it with little damage added.

That cannot be fixed by just reducing the KMDD-requirements, and yes, it hurts. But as stated before, i can just ignore the dragon. Well meant is not well done, and as far as i am told, this is not the first time (i just started in December).It is a pity, and i could understand the whole ruckus if the reward was in the 100MC area. But for 1 M-CBills, well... grab what you can while you are having fun doing it and do not grieve about the Mech-Challanges that are plainly annoying.

TL;DR: Yes, i have mixed feelign about that event too, but overall, i can appreciate what they tried to to and hope the execution phase for the next event will be done better

[Curccu]

FallGuy0815, on 12 March 2018 - 11:26 PM, said:

For getting KMDDs, i am really struggling with the dragon.

Dragon 5N with 3xUAC2 should be able to get KMDDs pretty easy, good range and DPS

[Horseman]

Curccu, on 13 March 2018 - 01:40 AM, said:

Dragon 5N with 3xUAC2 should be able to get KMDDs pretty easy, good range and DPS

And it's far from the only viable build for the 5N either - my second 5N runs a UAC/10 + 2xLL build to leverage the chassis' laser duration quirk, offers a bit more up-front firepower and focused damage.

Edited by Horseman, 13 March 2018 - 02:46 AM.