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[Galenthor Kerensky]

it's about damn time lrms got some respect... missiles have the hardest time of actually hitting their target due to lock breakage, the fact that in an effort to hold locks we missile users have to spend far more time facing our targets than anyone else not just to hold locks, but to get the locks in the first place. On top of that, we also have to put up with brawlers demanding that we fight at ranges that would make our missile useless due to range limitations, because if we don't, we get yelled at about "not sharing our armor" I got news for you armor sharing cryers... you want us to stand right beside you at sub 150 range? talk with the staff at pgi about fixing missile ranges to be like it is in lore... the Clan lrms and atms would have no minimum range, and the IS lrms would have what the clans have currently, whereas the Clans would have no dmg reduction due to range...

But I doubt that would happen due to perceived balance issues regarding missile useage. Want to argue about the ranges missiles can be used at? sure... missiles self destruct once they get 1 inch past their listed optimum range, while everything else other than flamers and probably mg's keep going, doing a scaled reduction of dmg as it goes, out to their max range. It's bad enough that the only targets we can lock onto to shoot while moving anymore are the opposing forces mechs, due again to perceived issues. Remember that lrms are "indirect fire" but if you keep putting more and more limitations on us, then you may as well just remove the weapons system from the game entirely, and then you can also kiss goodbye to a fair portion of the player base due to that. I know that there will be some who will look at this and go to full flamer mode, but then again, what do I know...? I have only been playing this since open beta, and as for the table top version of it, my first pages in relation to this game system say "battledroids" on the top, not battletech or mechwarrior.

Edited by Galenthor Kerensky, 15 April 2018 - 07:31 AM.

[Galenthor Kerensky]

Ed Steele: I tried to reply to your post, but the forums for whatever reason tried to incoroprate my reply to you into my forum reply about lrms when they are in no way related. so far as I am aware, the free upgrade to win 10 was declared done awhile ago, and I was told by several store techs that it wasn't even a complete version anyways... and that you had to put up with spyware and bloatware that you couldnt get removed due to claims of them being integral to their os... which is something that I would not personally tolerate...

Edited by Galenthor Kerensky, 15 April 2018 - 08:09 AM.

[Warning incoming Humble Dexterer]

Galenthor Kerensky, on 15 April 2018 - 07:40 AM, said:

and that you had to put up with spyware and bloatware that you couldnt get removed due to claims of them being integral to their os... which is something that I would not personally tolerate...

Reminds me that time when Microsoft claimed the compulsory Internet Explorer icon that came with every Windows installation was an integral part of their OS, and the judge denied that claim by... putting that I.E. icon in the recycle bin, which Microsoft forgot to block

[Initium Thoth]

The longer load times concern me, primarily because of regular game crashes at match start.



I run a ridiculously strong PC, and have used the repair tool, but still see crashes... and restarting already takes way too long even on this i9x Alienware Area 51 r4 with 64Gigs of RAM and a solid state drive.



It's OK, I accept that it crashes daily. But making the home lobby load time longer may increase risk of not getting end-of-mach rewards. That's going to be a problem.

[ExoForce]

Galenthor Kerensky, on 15 April 2018 - 07:30 AM, said:

..we get yelled at about "not sharing our armor" I got news for you armor sharing cryers... you want us to stand right beside you at sub 150 range?

"It is stupid to bring LRMs in Tier1!"
"You are kill-stealer!"
"I will not listen You, LRM noob!"
"Git good, noob!"
"Why are people bringing LRMs?"
"Hold Your own locks!"
"I will not lock targets for You, noob!"
"You are shooting the rock, noob!"

Edited by ExoForce, 15 April 2018 - 09:29 AM.

[Nema Nabojiv]

Horseman, on 15 April 2018 - 07:20 AM, said:

Only BLR-1G has the hardpoints for it, and it doesn't have the tonnage to fit heat sinks even with no armor.

Forbidding weapon combo without even making a mech capable to carry that combo. #justPGIthings

[Ryoken]

Galenthor Kerensky, on 15 April 2018 - 07:30 AM, said:

... you want us to stand right beside you at sub 150 range? talk with the staff at pgi about fixing missile ranges to be like it is in lore... the Clan lrms and atms would have no minimum range, and the IS lrms would have what the clans have currently, whereas the Clans would have no dmg reduction due to range...

Quoted for truth. A very good point.

Minimum range implementation is also incorrect which is extremely painfull for IS LRMs and adds up to the reason they are not used (in high tier).

Also IS PPCs can do damage below their minimum range. They should just get a slight damage reduction reflecting the percentage the +1-3 malus in comparison what you would consider a standard to hit value.

Leaving aside terrain, own movement and enemy movement that the player in mwo compensates for himself ingame we got the following to hit values with a standard Pilot (Gunner/Piloting 4/5)
Short range: 4+
Medium range 6+
Long range 8+

So lets pick medium range 6+ for standard to hit value which translates to 72.2 % chance to hit.

And then lets take the IS PPC with (3hex=90m) for weapon. And see how minimum range impacts chance to hit with full damage:
Over 90m away = 6+ = 72.2 %
Below 90 m = 7+ = 58.3 %
Below 60 m = 8+ = 41.7 %
Below 30 m = 9+ = 27.8 %

So to reflect the chance reduction to hit the IS PPC with a respective damage reduction we compare hit chance in minimum range in relation to hit chance above minimum range:
Over 90m away = 72.2% / 72.2% = 1.00 x 10dmg = 10 dmg
Below 90 m = 7+ = 58.3% / 72.2% = 0.81 x 10dmg = 8.1 dmg
Below 60 m = 8+ = 41.7% / 72.2% = 0.58 x 10dmg = 5.8 dmg
Below 30 m = 9+ = 27.8% / 72.2% = 0.39 x 10dmg = 3.9 dmg

This is just a quick example how an appropriate interpretation of the lore could look like as it offers a smooth decline in weapon effectivity.

In a similar way the 6hex=180m minimum range of the IS LRM would still grant them 1/36 = 2.8 % = 0.03dmg per missile below 30 meters.

Edited by Ryoken, 15 April 2018 - 11:26 AM.

[Mikayshen]

What are the differences between the various caches? What would be the benefit of say 'buying' a Common one as compared to an Ultra-rare? What sorts of things are in the different levels of caches? Can we get a lot more info on them, please?

[Trenchbird]

ExoForce, on 15 April 2018 - 09:28 AM, said:

"You are shooting the rock, noob!"

I see people who should be seasoned veterans by now doing that. MWO just has a perpetual scrub problem.

Either way, I hate the self-righteous LRM player even more. But as they say, pride comes before the fall.

Edited by Catten Hart, 15 April 2018 - 11:37 AM.

[NocturnalBeast]

Galenthor Kerensky, on 15 April 2018 - 07:40 AM, said:

Ed Steele: I tried to reply to your post, but the forums for whatever reason tried to incoroprate my reply to you into my forum reply about lrms when they are in no way related. so far as I am aware, the free upgrade to win 10 was declared done awhile ago, and I was told by several store techs that it wasn't even a complete version anyways... and that you had to put up with spyware and bloatware that you couldnt get removed due to claims of them being integral to their os... which is something that I would not personally tolerate...

I am sorry to hear that it is no longer available. And the store clerks were not entirely wrong, the free version was an "upgrade" so you needed to have a registered (legitimate) version of Win 7 or 8 in order to get the upgrade; the "spyware" is easily disabled though. Another option would be Linux, but it may be much harder to get MWO up and running on Linux (I may be wrong though). And finally, people can buy full "OEM" versions of Windows 10 on NewEgg for $99 as long as you order another piece of computer hardware with it (does not have to be expensive).

Catten Hart, on 15 April 2018 - 11:37 AM, said:

I see people who should be seasoned veterans by now doing that. MWO just has a perpetual scrub problem.

Either way, I hate the self-righteous LRM player even more. But as they say, pride comes before the fall.

LRMs can be infuriating, but they only really dominate on a small number of the maps against very passive teams. Also, if everyone in PUGlandia would equip their non-ECM Mechs with an AMS and 1/2 ton of AMS ammo, then LRMs would not be so much of a problem....oh..and shoot down the damned UAVs!

Mikayshen, on 15 April 2018 - 11:25 AM, said:

What are the differences between the various caches? What would be the benefit of say 'buying' a Common one as compared to an Ultra-rare? What sorts of things are in the different levels of caches? Can we get a lot more info on them, please?

Inquiring minds want to know.

[MrKvola]

The Windows 10 upgrade is still out there and still free. Look for Media Creation Tool and you can get it. Just need an 8GB USB stick and the Win 7/8 number you already have to activate it. If you don't have a valid OS key, there are valid OS keys to be had for around 25€, just browse around the interwebs.

[Buenaventura]

Brakkar, on 15 April 2018 - 05:41 AM, said:

Why is Griffin GRF-AR listed in Division 5 as heavy?

If I had to guess, I'd say they didn't bother to have someone proofread that list. Just like those Sun Spiders listed under Assault. Or the Sparky listed as GRF-S, while it is GRF-1E ingame iirc.

So, someone else wanting an option to disable the display of bolt-ons in QP/FP?

[chewie]

Great idea having better mechs open to a player depending on how far through the divisions you have gotten.

The problem here? People.

Your gonna see people only choosing certain chassis based on how effective it is as far as meta goes.
So yea, great idea trying to prevent people creating stupid boat builds (see direstar), but it isn't gonna change anything too radically, even with the other weapon and map heat tweaks.

So, Rank = better mechs available. Fantastic idea.

But.

Your average Solaris newb is gonna be piloting a "beater". The best he can afford as a start up mech.
A mech that isn't tweaked to the max capabilities.

Some might hate on me for saying it, but what about making Div 7 mech reflect that.
Stock only until you unlock the next tier, when logically you would have the affluence and backing to get those extra new tech.

But hey. Interesting is not what folks want.

Quick kills, instant gratification is.



just saying...

Edited by chewie, 15 April 2018 - 01:02 PM.

[Pepito Sbazzeguti]

I see no rocket launchers restrictions in Solaris section.
I have some concerns about those mechs that can boat lot of them like ARC-5W, CP-10, STK-5M, Hangover, etc..
With 6 Rocket Launcher 20 you have a damage potential of 240 with plenty of space for backup weapons.
A build like this seem too powerful to me in a 1vs1 scenario against another mech with different configuration.
https://mwo.smurfy-n...8df318c2a535e01

[Tarl Cabot]

MrKvola, on 15 April 2018 - 12:35 PM, said:

The Windows 10 upgrade is still out there and still free. Look for Media Creation Tool and you can get it. Just need an 8GB USB stick and the Win 7/8 number you already have to activate it. If you don't have a valid OS key, there are valid OS keys to be had for around 25€, just browse around the interwebs.

OS upgrade,or even sidegrade from 32bit to 64bit will not work if his actual system (not OS) is 32bit only.

[5th Fedcom Rat]

Susumu Kodai, on 15 April 2018 - 09:25 AM, said:

I run a ridiculously strong PC, and have used the repair tool, but still see crashes... and restarting already takes way too long even on this i9x Alienware Area 51 r4 with 64Gigs of RAM and a solid state drive.

Try running the game in Full Window mode rather than Fullscreen. It has helped me with the crashes, especially if you're alt-tabbing to other applications frequently.

[MrKvola]

Tarl Cabot, on 15 April 2018 - 01:19 PM, said:

OS upgrade,or even sidegrade from 32bit to 64bit will not work if his actual system (not OS) is 32bit only.

While I am very well aware of that, him noting that he does note he does not even have an optics drive. That hints that his rig may very well be of the newer variety, quite possibly 64-bit capable. Sadly we do not really know for sure, since the CPU specs were not supplied.

Also I mostly wanted to note that the upgrade is still available as apparently a lot of people do not know.

And yes, it is a full system upgrade, and you can turn off the monitoring BS if you don't like it.

Edited by MrKvola, 15 April 2018 - 01:36 PM.

[Mikayshen]

Pepito Sbazzeguti, on 15 April 2018 - 01:17 PM, said:

I see no rocket launchers restrictions in Solaris section.
I have some concerns about those mechs that can boat lot of them like ARC-5W, CP-10, STK-5M, Hangover, etc..
With 6 Rocket Launcher 20 you have a damage potential of 240 with plenty of space for backup weapons.
A build like this seem too powerful to me in a 1vs1 scenario against another mech with different configuration.
https://mwo.smurfy-n...8df318c2a535e01

If you miss, you're dead. That's the restriction. And plenty of people miss with rickets all the time.

[DFM]

The free upgrade to windows 10 is still available. Kinda.

I upgraded my oldest son's new Windows 7 PC build to windows 10 by using the windows 10 assistive technology upgrade after christmas 2017.

Basically, turn on some of the assistive features, and you can upgrade. You do NOT have to keep them on after you upgrade. IIRC they extended the upgrade for these because some features weren't available on launch of W10.

[Mechteric]

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Edited by CapperDeluxe, 15 April 2018 - 03:07 PM.