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[JRcam4643]

Here are my guesses at what could be decent mechs for Solaris.

[Champion of Khorne Lord of Blood]

Presentation could be *much* better. If you're going to go through a set of things you don't just slowly go through your mech bays to various builds only to then edit those builds on the spot. Generally people edit that out or do it before hand so that they can make their video to the point. Without any commentary at all there's not even any information about why you are doing what you are doing, your reasoning as to why certain builds would be decent, or anything at all. Without the title I'd just assume its 10+ minutes of someone editing random builds.

An example of what you could do to improve it would be to just have your builds setup before hand, click on a mech and open in it mech lab, discuss the mech build, then repeat for each mech. This would make the video clear and concise while also adding in some reasoning.

[Thorqemada]

I tested a Mech with a 254 Alpha Strike (unsustainalbe of course but survivable) and if the Hitreg works its boom and gone...

[Xiphias]

I skipped through the video, but most of those builds are pretty bad for 1v1s. You shouldn't be running single heatsinks on anything, that Raven is too slow for a light, and you have too much back armor on all your builds.

DPS, ability to hit pinpoint, raw alpha, and heat efficiency are all important things. Your builds don't really do any one thing particularly well and I think they'll struggle against more specialized 1v1 mechs.

[sycocys]

Stopped watching after the Vindicator.

SHS builds are absolutely not an option on any build with lasers as the primary system.

[Seranov]

sycocys, on 15 April 2018 - 02:28 PM, said:

Stopped watching after the Vindicator.

SHS builds are absolutely not an option on any build with lasers as the primary system.

They are a option on big, heavy mechs that can fit in an absurd number of them (such as the Banshee that Snuggles Time did a video on ages ago, which had roughly more weight spent on SHS than a whole, fully-loaded Vindicator, iirc) but it's not really enough of a difference to do that over a normal build, from everything I've seen. So, I agree with you, sort of. It's not a GOOD option, but it exists.

[yrrot]

On some assault mech builds, SHS can actually give you more total heat dissipation since you are restricted more on slots than tonnage. The break even point is something absurd, though, and even worse on clan builds. The smaller the max engine rating, the more you end up needing the slots.

The only build I recall off-hand that gained anything with SHS was an Awesome with ER PPCs--if that gives you any hints as to how good SHS are.

[PocketYoda]

I run shs on my maulers and they work great, i can fit higher loadouts and run far cooler than anything with DHS.. This you should never do this BS is whats ruining MWO...

All these back seat generals that don't even test crap out holy hell..

Edited by Samial, 15 April 2018 - 05:37 PM.

[Champion of Khorne Lord of Blood]

Samial, on 15 April 2018 - 05:37 PM, said:

I run shs on my maulers and they work great, i can fit higher loadouts and run far cooler than anything with DHS.. This you should never do this BS is whats ruining MWO...

All these back seat generals that don't even test crap out holy hell..

What kind of build are you making on a Mauler that gives you colder running with single heatsinks? Especially when you'd have to have 10 external heatsinks to be equal to a DHS mauler running no external heatsinks and considering most mauler builds don't have anywhere near 10 external heatsinks used.

[sycocys]

Seranov, on 15 April 2018 - 03:14 PM, said:

They are a option on big, heavy mechs that can fit in an absurd number of them (such as the Banshee that Snuggles Time did a video on ages ago,

Smurfy shows that that with DHS instead - same weapons build with a std 300 has a rating of 1.45 with max armor and 13+ tons of room to put in a bigger engine and/or swap in another LL

You could straight swap in a std 350 and bump it up to 1.48 and still have 1.68 tons to spare
Or toss in a light 375 for 1.46

-- Maybe smurphy interprets it slightly different, but I reckon its pretty close and 1.43 is what the SHS version pulled on that video.
Not say that its not possible to out dissipate with enough SHS, just that its not likely that it's going to provide you any sort of competitive build based on what you can do with less DHS on the same mech. Could be there's a legit set up out there - this one is in the ballpark, but it makes some pretty hefty sacrifices to get into the efficiency range.

[PocketYoda]

Champion of Khorne Lord of Blood, on 15 April 2018 - 05:42 PM, said:

What kind of build are you making on a Mauler that gives you colder running with single heatsinks? Especially when you'd have to have 10 external heatsinks to be equal to a DHS mauler running no external heatsinks and considering most mauler builds don't have anywhere near 10 external heatsinks used.

Sorry i checked its not my Maulers i must have redone their builds but they used to run lasers and 4xlbx2 with shs

Here is two i still run successfully


Yes its slow but i plan on updating the engine when i get around to it. Yes i noticed the leg armor.

Edited by Samial, 15 April 2018 - 08:35 PM.

[Peter2k]

Samial, on 15 April 2018 - 08:23 PM, said:

Sorry i checked its not my Maulers i must have redone their builds but they used to run lasers and 4xlbx2 with shs

Here is two i still run successfully


Yes its slow but i plan on updating the engine when i get around to it. Yes i noticed the leg armor.

I`d really like to run against those builds to test out my Solaris builds
but then its not far away any more is it?


you sure go heavy with back armor

btw, does C.A.S.E. do anything yet?

[Zergling]

Samial, on 15 April 2018 - 08:23 PM, said:

Sorry i checked its not my Maulers i must have redone their builds but they used to run lasers and 4xlbx2 with shs

Mauler with 4x LBX2 + 4x Medium Laser, 275LFE and 21x SHS = 45% cooling efficiency
Mauler with 4x LBX2 + 4x Medium Laser, 310LFE and 16x DHS = 52% cooling efficiency

Samial, on 15 April 2018 - 08:23 PM, said:

Here is two i still run successfully

For a start, that's a godawful bad build for QP.

Here it is with a 225SFE and SHS; 41% cooling efficiency
Here it is with a 300LFE and DHS; 41% cooling efficiency

So SHS has hobbled your speed for no gain in cooling.

Samial, on 15 April 2018 - 08:23 PM, said:

An assault energy boat, a case where SHS actually can be better! (in niche outlier cases)

With SHS, your build has 39% cooling efficiency.
DHS and LFE allow engine rating to be increased to 360 for the cost of just 2% cooling efficiency.

Sure the SHS allow for a slightly cooler running build, but is it worth the difference in speed? Hell no.

Edited by Zergling, 16 April 2018 - 01:51 AM.

[kapusta11]

1v1 ME BRUH

[yrrot]

You could go Xl400 on the battlemaster and only lose 1% heat efficiency over the LFE.

https://mwo.smurfy-n...fd8c63ebe2e1090

Not that it is a good idea to run XL assaults, but you can gain so many SHS by doing it:

https://mwo.smurfy-n...85b5ae54bdd66d4

If your entire goal is sustain, then silly SHS builds do work. Sustained fire isn't nearly as useful right now, so it's already a super niche. However, if all you want in the build to to continuously fire something like PPCs and you don't care how fast you are going, you can cram all sorts of efficiency out of SHS builds. ER PPCs come to mind, since you can go slower and still engage in the fight, and don't have a minimum range to maintain. Heck, engine desync actually helps these silly builds.

All of the SHS diversion has been nice, but OP wants to talk about Solaris builds. I'm thinking heat efficient brawlers with some PPFLD like an AC/20 are going to do well. There will be plenty of gimmick builds with rockets or super-alpha builds, but those are going to be 0 margin for error. Anything that is tanky with decent DPS/burst and some sustainability should be good overall and balance out over several matches.

[Tordin]

Seranov, on 15 April 2018 - 03:14 PM, said:

They are a option on big, heavy mechs that can fit in an absurd number of them (such as the Banshee that Snuggles Time did a video on ages ago, which had roughly more weight spent on SHS than a whole, fully-loaded Vindicator, iirc) but it's not really enough of a difference to do that over a normal build, from everything I've seen. So, I agree with you, sort of. It's not a GOOD option, but it exists.

Banshee for life, oh yeaaah. Gotta test out that build sometime.

[Knighthawk26]

Tordin, on 16 April 2018 - 03:13 PM, said:

Banshee for life, oh yeaaah. Gotta test out that build sometime.

Yes, I have that build in my mechlab still. It is fun but very slow and I tried it a couple of matches in the new Solaris 7 and it was meh.

[lazorbeamz]

Actually there is a player which uses clan ac10 effectively.

kdk3 with 4 c-ac10, 2 medpulse.

The idea is that those ballistics are ultra heat effective and they provide a range advantage against proliferate splat builds especially on colosseum. The guy caught me unaware with this tactic.

Edited by lazorbeamz, 18 April 2018 - 03:48 AM.

[PocketYoda]

Zergling, on 16 April 2018 - 01:49 AM, said:

Mauler with 4x LBX2 + 4x Medium Laser, 275LFE and 21x SHS = 45% cooling efficiency
Mauler with 4x LBX2 + 4x Medium Laser, 310LFE and 16x DHS = 52% cooling efficiency




For a start, that's a godawful bad build for QP.

Here it is with a 225SFE and SHS; 41% cooling efficiency
Here it is with a 300LFE and DHS; 41% cooling efficiency

So SHS has hobbled your speed for no gain in cooling.





An assault energy boat, a case where SHS actually can be better! (in niche outlier cases)

With SHS, your build has 39% cooling efficiency.
DHS and LFE allow engine rating to be increased to 360 for the cost of just 2% cooling efficiency.

Sure the SHS allow for a slightly cooler running build, but is it worth the difference in speed? Hell no.

I got almost 1k damage in that Anni on that build *shrugs

[JRcam4643]

Might as well post my thoughts on Solaris as well.