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[Wolfclaw]

I'm pretty disappointed after being so ecstatic with the release of solaris...

Yes I fully understand shooting out the legs is a perfectly viable tactic, but its pretty ridiculous that every fight I get into has the enemy aiming straight the hell down.

Remembering the good old days on MSN gaming zone, constant legging would get you kicked from servers and was seen as "pathetic" in terms of skill. Is that honor gone now?

[Darian DelFord]

When I am a 20 ton mech going up against a 70 ton mech.... in a word.....




NO

[Mcgral18]

If you're fighting something which is constantly staring at your legs, you have two fantastic options

Go for the CT, it has nearly half the HP of both legs
Go for the Face, he won't be making that mistake anymore


If they are twisting, do your best.

You can also cheese it by hiding in a corner, sacrifice one leg, and keep the other protected from most angles
Works fairly well on anything above 30 tons, the nimbler things can bypass it though
Can be boring, however. I did it to specific Pilots whom I couldn't beat in a fair fight.

Edited by Mcgral18, 20 April 2018 - 08:09 PM.

[Mystere]

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[Wolfclaw]

Mystere, on 20 April 2018 - 08:10 PM, said:

The only one pathetic is the person complaining about legging and honor, especially in a video game. <shrugs>

I fully expected ignorance like you to pop into it. Move along. Men are talking.

[Khobai]

legging should not destroy mechs. thats never made sense.

I do think legging needs to be addressed. because legging a mech should just disable its movement not kill it outright.

either that or legging should be more difficult than it is now. maybe make the shock absorbance skill reduce fall damage by 10% as well as all damage to legs by 2-3%.

[Mystere]

Wolfclaw, on 20 April 2018 - 08:11 PM, said:

I fully expected ignorance like you to pop into it. Move along. Men are talking.

"Men"? Pathetic indeed.

Ignoring a legitimate tactic is, well, ignorance of the worse kind.

Edited by Mystere, 20 April 2018 - 08:15 PM.

[Wolfclaw]

Mystere, on 20 April 2018 - 08:14 PM, said:

"Men"?

Pathetic indeed.

You're just a troll kiddo. Seriously, if you have a difference of opinion then voice it. Theres no need to come in and insult someone who stated a fact.

Khobai, on 20 April 2018 - 08:13 PM, said:

legging should not destroy mechs. thats never made sense.

I do think legging needs to be addressed. because legging a mech should just disable its movement not kill it outright.

either that or legging should be more difficult than it is now. maybe make the shock absorbance skill reduce fall damage by 10% as well as all damage to legs by 2-3%.

I just find it funny that every person I come up against has literally designed their mech to come with 90m and just spray at the legs. I wouldnt even be against it if they were literally labeled as someone who shoots the legs.

[Signal27]

Wolfclaw, on 20 April 2018 - 08:05 PM, said:

I'm pretty disappointed after being so ecstatic with the release of solaris...

Yes I fully understand shooting out the legs is a perfectly viable tactic, but its pretty ridiculous that every fight I get into has the enemy aiming straight the hell down.

Remembering the good old days on MSN gaming zone, constant legging would get you kicked from servers and was seen as "pathetic" in terms of skill. Is that honor gone now?

If you're talking about the original MechWarrior that I remember playing (as in, the multiplayer version of the first ever MechWarrior made, which I think was titled "Multiplayer BattleTech") the difference is that back in that game if you lose ONE leg, you were done for and the fight was pretty much over as you wound up flat on your back and would never get back up.

In MWO, your opponent needs to take BOTH legs out from under you before it's a wrap, leaving you a fighting chance if you only lose one (unless you're a light). As somebody else already pointed out, taking out both legs technically takes twice as long as going through the center torso. And remember: Just as you can torso twist to spread out the damage, so too can you twist your legs to put a bad one in front of a good one.

Edited by Signal27, 20 April 2018 - 08:23 PM.

[Khobai]

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As somebody else already pointed out, taking out both legs technically takes twice as long as going through the center torso.

not if they torso twist

in which case legging is much easier

[Signal27]

Khobai, on 20 April 2018 - 08:24 PM, said:

not if they torso twist

in which case legging is much easier

I know. You read and responded just before I edited in an addendum.

[El Bandito]

Not when you are playing big boys. By focusing CT I managed to take out mechs 15-25 tons heavier than me. Observe.

He went for my legs, I went for his CT.




He went for my legs, I went for his CT.

[K O Z A K]

I seriously don't get how this is a problem or a surprise for so many people. Legging has always been the go to way to take down lights and many mediums for most players that know what they're doing. The mechanics of small map 1v1 makes short range laser/mg an obvious choice for smaller faster mechs and even appealing for some heavies in certain divisions. You don't see many annis getting legged in div1. Also many players with lb/srm/mrm/laser builds will actually shield their torsos fairly effectively but you can't really shield your legs as much. If I am in a high dps mech and all you're presenting me is your arm shields why wouldn't I take your exposed legs which can be isolated from basically every angle? As has been said so many times here killing a heavy/assault by legging is inefficient. If your brawling assault was brought down by a pesky fast spl/mg mech, I'm sorry to tell you this, you died to a better pilot who didn't even use the best way to take you down

You don't like that someone used a perfectly legit way to kill your mech because you wanted to fight differently? That sucks, too bad. This game is full of situations when that happens. I don't like srm brawling for example, it doesn't mean I will keep dropping high alpha laservomit and say people that use srm brawlers have no honour

[Monkey Lover]

I got some salt from a guy after legging him today. It was almost like he believed he could have won if i didnt do it lol

Pgi should allow more armor on the legs.

Edited by Monkey Lover, 20 April 2018 - 09:09 PM.

[5th Fedcom Rat]

Logically speaking, it would be utterly ridiculous not to allow leg damage/destruction. That's how infantry have been attacking and taking out tanks ever since they were invented (i.e. through their vulnerable tracks).

I mean, were the rebels being cheap, dishonorable and unfair for tripping the AT-ATs?

[Chrome Magnus]

Signal27, on 20 April 2018 - 08:20 PM, said:

As somebody else already pointed out, taking out both legs technically takes twice as long as going through the center torso.

I checked my Stalker and it has 109 front armor (9 rear) and a max of 78 armor for each leg which equals 156 total so more like a third more armor. And shielding a leg with your other leg isn't nearly as quick as torso twisting/can mean depriving you of the ability to quickly return fire. And once you take the first leg, with a lot less dmg output, it pretty well negates the armor advantage of the CT...

El Bandito, on 20 April 2018 - 08:26 PM, said:

Not when you are playing big boys. By focusing CT I managed to take out mechs 15-25 tons heavier than me. Observe.

He went for my legs, I went for his CT.




He went for my legs, I went for his CT.

For all we know he mostly just face tanked. And of course an example does not a rule make.

[Levi Porphyrogenitus]

So-Legless 7 is a sad but often necessary outcome. Skilled pilots can be incredibly hard to kill via torso destruction, while legs are much harder to defend even for those who know what to do. This makes the comparative inefficiency of leg kills into something of a non-issue when efficient torso kills become difficult or impossible. It also means that builds capable of precise torso kills even against skilled pilots should have an edge, hence the splat builds and the precision builds which are able to lump an incredible amount of concentrated damage into a single immediate hit, allowing them to target the CT or a prime side torso effectively enough to make legging less useful. Of course, even there, the better the enemy pilot the more likely legging will be to prove the superior tactic.

[Abisha]

I find it risky to go for the legs what if you not sure which leg you need to shot at.
CT is certain and less armor then both legs my general rule never leg a mech above heavy it ain't worth it.

Edited by Abisha, 20 April 2018 - 11:01 PM.

[UnkerZ]

Mcgral18, on 20 April 2018 - 08:08 PM, said:

If you're fighting something which is constantly staring at your legs, you have two fantastic options

Go for the CT, it has nearly half the HP of both legs
Go for the Face, he won't be making that mistake anymore


If they are twisting, do your best.

You can also cheese it by hiding in a corner, sacrifice one leg, and keep the other protected from most angles
Works fairly well on anything above 30 tons, the nimbler things can bypass it though
Can be boring, however. I did it to specific Pilots whom I couldn't beat in a fair fight.

Not when the guy staring at your legs is actually shorter than your legs itself.

[Mcgral18]

KassimBaba, on 20 April 2018 - 11:59 PM, said:

Not when the guy staring at your legs is actually shorter than your legs itself.

I'd advise not playing in those divisions


Div 4 is nice