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[UnofficialOperator]

Opponents and I are 300 points apart, how are we getting matched?

Usually the one with the 300 points lower ELO gets wrecked

[EnochsBook]

Not enough people playing at the same time so the Matchmaker is working with what it has, I'm assuming.
I mean, how many people are you seeing in the queue? When I was playing 2 days ago it was maybe 25 on average.

[UnofficialOperator]

EnochsBook, on 21 April 2018 - 02:20 AM, said:

Not enough people playing at the same time so the Matchmaker is working with what it has, I'm assuming.
I mean, how many people are you seeing in the queue? When I was playing 2 days ago it was maybe 25 on average.

Less than 5 probably. Shouldn't they skip the match then? Rather than go ahead with a 300 pt difference?

PS: 5 to 10 atm

Edited by UnofficialOperator, 21 April 2018 - 02:26 AM.

[Sam Slade]

UnofficialOperator, on 21 April 2018 - 02:19 AM, said:

Opponents and I are 300 points apart, how are we getting matched?

Usually the one with the 300 points lower ELO gets wrecked

it's because this game has a tiny community and the designers are terrible

[EnochsBook]

UnofficialOperator, on 21 April 2018 - 02:24 AM, said:

Less than 5 probably. Shouldn't they skip the match then? Rather than go ahead with a 300 pt difference?

PS: 5 to 10 atm

Then you would have to wait 10 minutes for a game because there probably aren't many people that have around your elo online at the same time.

[El Bandito]

UnofficialOperator, on 21 April 2018 - 02:19 AM, said:

Opponents and I are 300 points apart, how are we getting matched?

Usually the one with the 300 points lower ELO gets wrecked

Play during prime time. Solaris is not everyone's cup of tea so very few people are online during off hours.

[Dogstar]

What a great design this is!

Either get wrecked/wreck face or wait an eternity for a proper match

[Ghogiel]

I think Elo only matters for how much Elo you win or lose. If you noticed when you have waited through a queque window, you are placed in a priority slot, I assume that means you will get a match next window no matter what. At 300 difference I don't win any Elo so my rankings don't chance when farming potatoes in the off hours.

[Dogstar]

Ghogiel, on 21 April 2018 - 03:00 AM, said:

I think Elo only matters for how much Elo you win or lose. If you noticed when you have waited through a queque window, you are placed in a priority slot, I assume that means you will get a match next window no matter what. At 300 difference I don't win any Elo so my rankings don't chance when farming potatoes in the off hours.

Do you not realize that by 'farming potatoes' you're actually destroying the game mode? Because those players aren't going to have a good impression if they get wrecked in moments and continually face opponents miles better than them! Plus you're not gaining anything so it's practically griefing.

Perfect example of an e-peen obsessed competitive player

[Sixpack]

Just allow a 3x to 4x reward multiplier for the low elo person in this case.

[EnochsBook]

Dogstar, on 21 April 2018 - 03:24 AM, said:

Do you not realize that by 'farming potatoes' you're actually destroying the game mode? Because those players aren't going to have a good impression if they get wrecked in moments and continually face opponents miles better than them! Plus you're not gaining anything so it's practically griefing.

Perfect example of an e-peen obsessed competitive player

Lol, are good players supposed to play badly on purpose just so as to not upset the bad ones? What a great concept to apply to a PvP multiplayer game. Toxic meritocracy and all that, nice meme.

Also, no one is farming potatoes intentionally in Solaris, the MM just picks the best match-ups it can.

[Bud Crue]

Dogstar, on 21 April 2018 - 03:24 AM, said:

Do you not realize that by 'farming potatoes' you're actually destroying the game mode? Because those players aren't going to have a good impression if they get wrecked in moments and continually face opponents miles better than them! Plus you're not gaining anything so it's practically griefing.

Perfect example of an e-peen obsessed competitive player

Are you being funny here?
Seriously can't tell. Honest question.

I ask because Solaris, is by the very nature of the mode, ultra competitive, Duncan Fisher is even making fun of you if you lose, "hey baby, that's right, check out my Epeen and if you are impressed with that go look at my leader board stats...oh and look at the horns on my mech's ***" mode. This seems self evident, and I say that as one of the regularly farmed potatoes.

Also, Solaris, I must admit, is still pretty fun even as one of those potatoes.

Edited by Bud Crue, 21 April 2018 - 03:51 AM.

[El Bandito]

Dogstar, on 21 April 2018 - 02:50 AM, said:

What a great design this is!

Either get wrecked/wreck face or wait an eternity for a proper match

Sooner or later I gotta beat them all so all challengers are welcome!

Dogstar, on 21 April 2018 - 03:24 AM, said:

Do you not realize that by 'farming potatoes' you're actually destroying the game mode? Because those players aren't going to have a good impression if they get wrecked in moments and continually face opponents miles better than them! Plus you're not gaining anything so it's practically griefing.

Good. Perhaps then these potatoes would realize that Solaris not meant for them. One actually needs some skill to play a ranked mode--just look at all other games, such as LoL, and Overwatch. Good players don't want scrubs in Solaris either, cause the amount of Elo earned by defeating them is pitiful.

Bottom line is: Git gud first, then play Solaris. Unlike FP, there are no units to carry the scrubs' sorry asses.

Edited by El Bandito, 21 April 2018 - 06:02 AM.

[Darian DelFord]

El Bandito, on 21 April 2018 - 05:57 AM, said:

Sooner or later I gotta beat them all so all challengers are welcome!




Good. Perhaps then these potatoes would realize that Solaris not meant for them. One actually needs some skill to play a ranked mode--just look at all other games, such as LoL, and Overwatch. Good players don't want scrubs in Solaris either, cause the amount of Elo earned by defeating them is pitiful.

Bottom line is: Git gud first, then play Solaris. Unlike FP, there are no units to carry the scrubs' sorry asses.

Thats all well and good but my ELO courrently is 1600 mainly due to playing a locust. I have been put up against people with ELO 2500 already.

The problem is... I do not think Solaris has the population it needs for ELO to really work.

[El Bandito]

Darian DelFord, on 21 April 2018 - 06:06 AM, said:

Thats all well and good but my ELO courrently is 1600 mainly due to playing a locust. I have been put up against people with ELO 2500 already.

The problem is... I do not think Solaris has the population it needs for ELO to really work.

This is just the first week. If people pester Russ loudly enough, then PGI might switch mechs between divisions sooner than 3 months. So fire up your Twitter. Also, stop playing Locust if you wish to be placed higher.

[sycocys]

UnofficialOperator, on 21 April 2018 - 02:19 AM, said:

Opponents and I are 300 points apart, how are we getting matched?

Usually the one with the 300 points lower ELO gets wrecked

I ran into a +500 in a moderately populated queue. Poked around from cover for 3+ minutes before the "super-skilled" player realized he'd actually have to leave the elevator to win the match or end up with a time-out tie.

[MischiefSC]

Potatoes get farmed in every mode.

Just in QP they get carried by better players and delude themselves into thinking their crap builds and poor choices are viable.

As someone who's a little tired of carrying sandbags I have 0 empathy for bads complaining that because they are bad and refuse to put in the teaspoon of effort involved in improving the game is no fun for them.

They make it less fun for everyone else. The implied threat that the game will fail if we don't constantly work to help create the illusion that the players who refuse to take good mechs or make good choices are still winners is patently false.

We've tried for YEARS to nerf teamwork, punish accuracy, reduce mobility, buff every counter and make dropping in larger groups as punishing as possible. You know what?

Good players in good mechs still beat bad players in bad mechs all the time. The people who refuse to adapt or improve or put in the effort still lose just as much and this who were going to quit still quit. Just now the good players and team players quit because everything handles like **** and they're punished at every turn for not being a terribad.

We need to quit that. If you want to win you have to put in the effort to not suck. That's not unreasonable.

[Darian DelFord]

El Bandito, on 21 April 2018 - 06:21 AM, said:

This is just the first week. If people pester Russ loudly enough, then PGI might switch mechs between divisions sooner than 3 months. So fire up your Twitter. Also, stop playing Locust if you wish to be placed higher.

I did I now run commando in the open field :>

MischiefSC, on 21 April 2018 - 07:07 AM, said:

Potatoes get farmed in every mode.

Just in QP they get carried by better players and delude themselves into thinking their crap builds and poor choices are viable.

As someone who's a little tired of carrying sandbags I have 0 empathy for bads complaining that because they are bad and refuse to put in the teaspoon of effort involved in improving the game is no fun for them.

They make it less fun for everyone else. The implied threat that the game will fail if we don't constantly work to help create the illusion that the players who refuse to take good mechs or make good choices are still winners is patently false.

We've tried for YEARS to nerf teamwork, punish accuracy, reduce mobility, buff every counter and make dropping in larger groups as punishing as possible. You know what?

Good players in good mechs still beat bad players in bad mechs all the time. The people who refuse to adapt or improve or put in the effort still lose just as much and this who were going to quit still quit. Just now the good players and team players quit because everything handles like **** and they're punished at every turn for not being a terribad.

We need to quit that. If you want to win you have to put in the effort to not suck. That's not unreasonable.

The problem is when mechs do nothing but put their back against the wall and wait. I am sorry but that is not fun to deal with every damn match.

[Cnaiur]

Lord knows I have no problem with farming taters, but how are they supposed to git gud if they’re getting matched with people 300+ ELO above them? You learn playing against better players, but if the gap is too big, you won’t learn a thing; you’ll just die in seconds and not even understand why or how. It’s not like QP offers a ton of 1v1 opportunities.

As usual with MWO, the problem is low population and the matchmaking issues that flow from that.

[The Soul Hunter]

UnofficialOperator, on 21 April 2018 - 02:19 AM, said:

Opponents and I are 300 points apart, how are we getting matched?

Usually the one with the 300 points lower ELO gets wrecked

Little details. Really it's the small player base and as things like this happen then less and less will come back. There's already people who thought they were good and found out they were bad and have quit Solaris. Looking forward to seeing what the battletech release next week does to the elo match ups.