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[DFM]

the 1X thrives because of the quirks.

The solaris build is sub-par for QP sure, but it takes all of 2 minutes to make it viable by switching to LMG's and spl's to Mpl's.

find the space for a extra ton of MRM ammo and have at it.

[RickySpanish]

Hazeclaw, on 28 April 2018 - 02:22 PM, said:

Has anyone other than El Bandito actually successfully used this 2xlb10 uziel in div 7?

Two LB10-Xs was my first speculative build last night but I didn't have a good choice for engines. With the stock engine plus the guns, you fill your tonnage right out.

[SmokedJag]

Other thing I've seen is people bolting a RAC/5 onto that Uziel. Now, you can *see* this in the match intro because it is so distinctive and you know the 'Mech is built around that. It's a dumb troll build to run anywhere else but that thing does hurt. You could mount two... and melt the 'Mech.

2x LBX10 can actually be cooled and do the job.

[Dragonporn]

This is funny to discuss really, as much as I'd congratulate El Bandito, meta haven't fully set in yet, it will undergo a lot more experimenting (plus hopefully PGI shifting divs), but I'm 100% confident that eventually there will be literally one mech and one build per division in the end.

[Appogee]

The fact that there is such a thing as a meta-Vindicator is a sure sign that we have reached Peak Quirk.

[Ruccus]

Hazeclaw, on 28 April 2018 - 02:22 PM, said:

Has anyone other than El Bandito actually successfully used this 2xlb10 uziel in div 7?

I think I only dropped in it once or twice because the build makes me feel a bit dirty, but I did beat a Vindicator with a 2xLB10X Blackjack on Mech Factory so the build will chew up a mech nicely. I've also beat a Vindi with a 2xAC2, 4xSPL Blackjack in Steiner Coliseum.

[Darian DelFord]

PNT-10K

Has nto lost to a vindi yet.... can even take on a Wang..... The only reason fight is the damned ECM Spider Specced in JJ's and Sensors with 3 MPL's

******* jumps all over the place and breaks LOS

[El Bandito]

Dragonporn, on 28 April 2018 - 04:12 PM, said:

This is funny to discuss really, as much as I'd congratulate El Bandito, meta haven't fully set in yet, it will undergo a lot more experimenting (plus hopefully PGI shifting divs), but I'm 100% confident that eventually there will be literally one mech and one build per division in the end.

And I will be there to find counters for some of them, then rake in the win streak.

[SmokedJag]

Ruccus, on 28 April 2018 - 05:04 PM, said:

I think I only dropped in it once or twice because the build makes me feel a bit dirty, but I did beat a Vindicator with a 2xLB10X Blackjack on Mech Factory so the build will chew up a mech nicely.

It'll certainly chew up a D7 type 'Mech. 2xLBX10 are used as primary firepower on some heavy 'Mech builds and are half of what shotgun Kodiaks/Annihilators strike with.

Playing with Smurfy it does require modding the stock Uziel champion engine one way or another to clear weight for the ammo.

[Savage Wolf]

Hazeclaw, on 28 April 2018 - 02:22 PM, said:

Has anyone other than El Bandito actually successfully used this 2xlb10 uziel in div 7?

Yep, works great. Can't really compare it to anything though as it's my only div 7 mech.

[zeta44]

My solution to dealing with vindicators is the same as everything else in Div 7, use my panthers twin PPCs to take their STs apart then finish them off

[Blackfang]

I've kitted my Uziel with twin RAC5s, total troll build just got to keep an eye on the heat and potential weapon jams, but it keeps them rocking all day long.

[Naelbis]

It is actually easier to kill a Vindi with my YLW than it is a Uziel pilot who knows how to twist well. With the Vindi its all about hitting that left shoulder, once that is gone its GG. A twisting Uzeil with JJs is just a PITA.

[RickySpanish]

I managed to do alright with my Uziel in the end, but twin LB10-Xs was shockingly awful. Too much damage spread all over the place while my opponent could be far more accurate. This is odd because my LB20-X Scorch does fine, but when you inspect the weapon stats, the LB10-X is about the worst of its class! The spread is enourmous, the other LB-X cannons are tighter or do more damage. For example, the LB20-X has a 0.1 spread increase but double the damage. Also, UACs jam all day inspite of the quirk, I'm really not sure how good the quirk really is - is that 20% as in 4/5th of current jam chance, or is it jam chance - 20%? Anyway, I couldn't hit **** all with the UAC 10, nor the LB10-Xs, so I've been running two LB5-Xs with small pulse lasers for back up. Useless build, but tons o fun. Might give a Spider a go next just to rub it in.

[Seranov]

RickySpanish, on 29 April 2018 - 04:15 PM, said:

I managed to do alright with my Uziel in the end, but twin LB10-Xs was shockingly awful. Too much damage spread all over the place while my opponent could be far more accurate. This is odd because my LB20-X Scorch does fine, but when you inspect the weapon stats, the LB10-X is about the worst of its class! The spread is enourmous, the other LB-X cannons are tighter or do more damage. For example, the LB20-X has a 0.1 spread increase but double the damage. Also, UACs jam all day inspite of the quirk, I'm really not sure how good the quirk really is - is that 20% as in 4/5th of current jam chance, or is it jam chance - 20%? Anyway, I couldn't hit **** all with the UAC 10, nor the LB10-Xs, so I've been running two LB5-Xs with small pulse lasers for back up. Useless build, but tons o fun. Might give a Spider a go next just to rub it in.

Were you trying to use them from >300m? LB10X are a reasonably short-ranged brawling weapon, even if they claim they've got a 500ish meter range. The closer you are, the smaller the spread, and the more effective they are.

[RickySpanish]

Seranov, on 29 April 2018 - 04:22 PM, said:

Were you trying to use them from >300m? LB10X are a reasonably short-ranged brawling weapon, even if they claim they've got a 500ish meter range. The closer you are, the smaller the spread, and the more effective they are.

usually at close range, with two LB10-Xs strapped to the Uziel it inevitably ends up in a brawl if the other player wants it. Against Vindicators it was just not putting enough damage into the torso, and even the legs were tricky. Homestly something seemed a little off with it all.

[InspectorG]

El Bandito, on 28 April 2018 - 02:33 AM, said:

Just remember, if you are at a range where Vindi's HMG + SPL are doing full damage to you, you are doing it wrong.

Are you talking about...skill?

[Old-dirty B]

El Bandito, on 27 April 2018 - 09:05 PM, said:

Had a Solaris match where a meta follower was unhappy with my build that beat him. To be fair to him, this mech of mine has not lost once against Vindicator-1X. Dear PGI, I was wrong about you. This free Uziel is actually useful!

[Redacted]

Nice example of adapt and overcome rather then doing exactly what the mainstream is doing!

Do you think that with some time people will actually radicaly change course as for solaris gameplay and build strategies?

Im mostly playing in division 5 with my SPL Locust 1E and have been facing nothing but cataphracts and rifleman with the ocassional exception for something different. Both the phract and rifleman play the ranged game and i have had many occasion where my opponent was just waiting for me turret mode with back against the wall..

So i changed my strategy and build a Pirates Bane with double light ppc’s just to beat these kind of opponents and with good succes. Some were good sports but i already received alot of “compliments” for fielding something they hardly can defeat. A few just stopped playing and surrendered, and some others just plainly loose it and start harrasing via chat.

Anyway, this Pirates Bane is a specialist anwser to ranged and/or much slower opponents but against speedier opponents its pretty weak and will propably not work well.

I wonder if these kind of (specialist) anwsers to mainstream builds and strategies will actually encourage the mass to find something that works well against whatever comes out of the gates in solaris. I think with some time there will actually be a few meta builds with corresponding strategies for each division, sort of rock paper scissors in the end.

What do you think?

Edited by draiocht, 30 April 2018 - 10:02 AM.
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[El Bandito]

B3R3ND, on 30 April 2018 - 01:17 AM, said:

I wonder if these kind of (specialist) anwsers to mainstream builds and strategies will actually encourage the mass to find something that works well against whatever comes out of the gates in solaris. I think with some time there will actually be a few meta builds with corresponding strategies for each division, sort of rock paper scissors in the end.

What do you think?

It is my hope as well that eventually there will be a rock-paper-scissors in most divisions. Not in Div 1 though, as Anni is just way too good there. However, even if a mech is only slightly better than others in a certain division compared with others, due to players' mind set, a lot of them will choose to bandwagon that particular mech and snowball its popularity. Which makes it easy for people who knows how to exploit that certain mech's weakness and beat it regularly, as in my case against Vindicators.

Basically, yes there can be rock-paper-scissors effect, especially after PGI shuffles some mechs around and further balances weapons for Solaris mode only. However, most players will still hop onto one or two mechs that are ahead of the others in a division, instead of thinking for themselves.

[B L O O D W I T C H]

The fact that folks go to the forum to gloat about being able to kill a meta vindi in d7 shows that the vindi might be a little to powerfull for div 7 or 1v1 in general.
Personally, i've beat and been beaten with a shadow hawk GD, anansi,spider 5d and the free uziel (3xuac2). It's all about the pilot. Although, with equal skill, i'd bet my money on the guy in the 1X.

On that note, why is the under general? Should be in the solaris section.