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[Requiemking]

FupDup, on 02 May 2018 - 12:32 PM, said:

I don't mean just firing arc, I also mean where the physical barrel or tubes for shooting are located. The place where the bullets come out of. That Catapult for example is going to have to shoot the missiles out of its arms even with slots being in the side torso.

As for firing arc, MWO can't make arm weapons use the torso crosshair unless you've got armlock activated.

Which is why hardlocking it to certain mechs and variants is a pretty good idea. That way, it's consistent and you don't have that as an issue.

[Khobai]

yep hardwiring longtom/arrowIV is the only thing that makes sense. at least in the current state of the game since we dont have dynamic crit splitting and likely never will.

so yeah only the catapult C3 and Naga would be able to use ARROWIV. it would be a hardwired weapon system that couldnt be removed. and they would lose their arm actuation.

BUT we would have arrowIV In the game. With minimal effort required on PGIs behalf (all they have to do is add a new catapult variant, the NAGA, and the ARROWIV weapon itself, and maybe make some adjustments to TAG)

[Brain Cancer]

We could also legit have a use for -P variants on other designs simply because this would allow for more artillery-capable chassis AND give PGI more reasons to add such.

And who's gonna complain if they're canonized? Artillery is a rare bird otherwise on giant robot.

Also, don't forget the Urbanmech eventually gets an AIV variant.

[Requiemking]

Khobai, on 02 May 2018 - 12:47 PM, said:

yep hardwiring longtom/arrowIV is the only thing that makes sense. at least in the current state of the game since we dont have dynamic crit splitting and likely never will.

so yeah only the catapult C3 and Naga would be able to use ARROWIV. it would be a hardwired weapon system that couldnt be removed. and they would lose their arm actuation.

BUT we would have arrowIV In the game. With minimal effort required on PGIs behalf (all they have to do is add a new catapult variant, the NAGA, and the ARROWIV weapon itself, and maybe make some adjustments to TAG)

There are actually two Artillery weapons that can be added to MWO without critsplitting being an issue, and Clan ARROW IV is one of them(On account of it being 12 crits and 12 tons. The only reason the Naga uses crit-splitting is because it has them mostly in the arms). The other is the Thumper cannon, which is 7 crits and 10 tons, but only has a range of 18 hexes and a damage of 5/2.

Edited by Requiemking, 02 May 2018 - 01:13 PM.

[Khobai]

the problem is ARROWIV on the IS side.

if you have to hardwire ARROWIV on the IS side, then its only fair to also hardwire it on the Clan side.

also by limiting it to specific mechs, it significantly reduces how many weapon meshes need to be created.

one of the reasons PGI doesnt like to give us new weapons is all the work that has to be done creating weapon meshes for every mech that can use those weapons.

by hardwiring it to the catapult/naga they have to make ARROWIV meshes for two mechs. they can implement it with minimal effort.

ARROWIV could easily be added within the span of one or two patches.

Edited by Khobai, 02 May 2018 - 01:22 PM.

[evilauthor]

FupDup, on 02 May 2018 - 12:18 PM, said:

To aim the Long Tom you just pitch your whole torso up just like it was in MW4. The only issue is of course that most mechs in MWO have very restricted torso pitch angles...

I think aiming the Long Tom in MWO would work like aiming unlocked LRMs. It shoots whatever spot of ground you have your crosshairs pointed at.

That's how it works in TT. You aim at a spot of ground, NOT at the mech you're trying to hit. But unlike MWO, mechs don't take turns moving and projectiles have flight times, so you actually have to predict where your target will be in order to do any damage at all. I imagine it'd be like trying to hit a target with unlocked LRMs too, except the splash damage gives you some home of actually doing damage.

I imagine a Artillery Cannons would be most useful for breaking choke points like the saddle in Crimson Straits.

[Samantha Rbnsn1990]

Bump for my troll thread.

[Teenage Mutant Ninja Urbie]

bump;
highlander;
lurms;

yeah, trollcheck complete.

[Samantha Rbnsn1990]

How mad did I make you though?

[Brain Cancer]

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I think aiming the Long Tom in MWO would work like aiming unlocked LRMs. It shoots whatever spot of ground you have your crosshairs pointed at.

It'd be shooting it over hills and such that would be the problem, really.

Edited by Brain Cancer, 03 May 2018 - 11:04 AM.

[Samantha Rbnsn1990]

Bump for my troll thread.

[Zergling]

Requiemking, on 02 May 2018 - 12:09 PM, said:

Well, first off, A full-on Long Tom cannot be put on a mech, period.

Super-heavy mechs can fit them.

[Requiemking]

Zergling, on 05 May 2018 - 12:15 AM, said:

Super-heavy mechs can fit them.

Yes, but how many Super-heavies are there in the lore? How many of them have a Long Tom by default, and are any of them in MWO?

[Zergling]

Requiemking, on 05 May 2018 - 08:15 AM, said:

Yes, but how many Super-heavies are there in the lore? How many of them have a Long Tom by default, and are any of them in MWO?

Which is relevant how? You said no mech, period, could fit a long-tom, which is incorrect. It used to be correct before super-heavies, but not anymore.

When you're wrong, just admit it instead of shifting goal-posts.

Edited by Zergling, 05 May 2018 - 08:35 AM.

[Teslacoil]

Ghogiel, on 02 May 2018 - 02:28 AM, said:

I only remember regular mrms in MW4 mercs, don't remember clan versions. Was that some mektek nonsense?

Verilligo, on 02 May 2018 - 05:37 AM, said:

Yes, Streak MRMs came with Mektek's third pack, if memory serves.

WRONG!

[TELEFORCE]

Streak MRMs? The Society's iATMs make those obsolete. They replace the built-in Artemis IV FCS with the Streak FCS like on the Clan's Streak SRMs and LRMs, so all the missiles hit their target! How about an iATM-12 with inferno warheads to overheat a target to shutdown? Follow that with HE

http://www.sarna.net...actical_Missile

They can also be fired indirectly like LRMs. It's a shame The Society didn't make more of these weapons. They would've totally turned the Clan way upside down in the homeworlds.

Edited by TELEFORCE, 05 May 2018 - 05:47 PM.

[Brain Cancer]

Thankfully, iATMs don't exist outside of Society designs. Yet.

[Mystere]

LordNothing, on 01 May 2018 - 10:15 PM, said:

id love something like the mrms from mwll. their crosshair following capability makes them a rather fun weapon. but this game has to be completely devoid of fun mechanics like aoe or guidable (manual) weapons.

Well, just imagine the vast flowing rivers of salty male nerd-rage tears that will be created by crosshair-guided missiles. We most certainly can't have that!

[BTGbullseye]

I'd prefer them with the iMP missiles myself...

http://www.sarna.net...ulse_Ammunition

[Khobai]

iATMs will likely never be added because ATMs that could indirect fire would make LRMs even more obsolete

IMP missiles would be nice but theres no ammo switching in MWO so theyll never be a thing.

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Well, just imagine the vast flowing rivers of salty male nerd-rage tears that will be created by crosshair-guided missiles. We most certainly can't have that!

It really wouldnt be that good. since it would screw up using other weapons at the same time as MRMs.

Edited by Khobai, 06 May 2018 - 01:37 AM.