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[Y E O N N E]

MAD-IICs are going to pack five cERML and eat the ghost heat from that.

[Samantha Rbnsn1990]

I built a 9 ER Large Laser Dire Wolf in anticipation for the patch.

Can't wait to melt my internals from alpha striking. No really. It'll be a good time.

[Y E O N N E]

9 ERLL was going to melt with or without the patch.

[Trenchbird]

Samantha Rbnsn1990, on 12 May 2018 - 06:53 AM, said:

I built a 9 ER Large Laser Dire Wolf in anticipation for the patch.

Can't wait to melt my internals from alpha striking. No really. It'll be a good time.

ERLLs aren't getting GH nerfed, though.

[kapusta11]

Yeonne Greene, on 12 May 2018 - 06:51 AM, said:

MAD-IICs are going to pack five cERML and eat the ghost heat from that.

I've tried 4 ERLL 4 ERML MAD IIC and it's pretty solid. I enjoy additional extreme range firepower.

[Erik Krieger]

Why are you doing this PGI?

Why do you frustrate your players so often and hard? This will change or destroy a lot of my over 120 clan mechs! This xxxx hard! And no, i am not a clan laser vomit noob... i have a bride variety of mech loadouts and as many IS as clan mechs... i put many hours in my builds and its just really really no fun to see them get destroyed.... i can succeed with is and clan mechs, with all kinds of weapons and from lights to assautls... this "balance" is complete needless and does more bad than good to your playerbase....

[Revis Volek]

Bombast, on 11 May 2018 - 03:42 PM, said:

Ghost Heat Threshold dropped on Clan Lasers.



I cannot believe it. They crazy ******** did it.

So I guess optimal vomit is now ERMLx4, ERLLx2?

Funny enough, that pretty much what everyone used when clans came out!


Cyclical nerfs crack me up. Buff this then nerf it then buff it then nerf it then buff it again then nerf something else which indirectly buffs they thing you nerfed!


Im so glad PGI knows what they are doing!

Yeonne Greene, on 12 May 2018 - 06:53 AM, said:

9 ERLL was going to melt with or without the patch.

This is the person that PGI balances the game for though. He needed this patch.

Vonbach, on 12 May 2018 - 04:56 AM, said:

Oh i know whats going on. Clans are crying rivers of tears because they are losing their crutches.

HA!

HAHAHA! You are funny, must be clown with all the high quality jokes.






You have no idea what you are going on about and its showing.

Edited by Revis Volek, 12 May 2018 - 09:04 AM.

[Brain Cancer]

As usual,since Twitter is the Voice of Russ:

https://twitter.com/...334014306144256

"okay so get rid of the MKII nerf and Clan laser nerfs right"

In the end, was it merely their position at the time?

Edited by Brain Cancer, 12 May 2018 - 09:06 AM.

[Nightbird]

I don't think Russ was serious lol

[El Bandito]

Brain Cancer, on 12 May 2018 - 09:06 AM, said:

As usual,since Twitter is the Voice of Russ:

https://twitter.com/...334014306144256

"okay so get rid of the MKII nerf and Clan laser nerfs right"

In the end, was it merely their position at the time?

I still think Deathstrike should be nerfed. I played the mech for a long time and I find it's meta config to be very strong.

Nightbird, on 12 May 2018 - 09:10 AM, said:

I don't think Russ was serious lol

No he was not serious. Russ is in fact being super chill right now. Probably laughing his *** off.

Edited by El Bandito, 12 May 2018 - 09:11 AM.

[Luminis]

Brain Cancer, on 12 May 2018 - 09:06 AM, said:

As usual,since Twitter is the Voice of Russ:

https://twitter.com/...334014306144256

"okay so get rid of the MKII nerf and Clan laser nerfs right"

In the end, was it merely their position at the time?

I can see some people (those who've been celebrating the nerfs) overdose on sodium chloride *if* PGI does indeed go back on them.

God damn, this is one hell of a ***********.

/edit:
Did PGI ever immediately back off of something like this, Energy Draw aside?

Edited by Luminis, 12 May 2018 - 09:12 AM.

[Jay Leon Hart]

https://twitter.com/...347774462832640

Translation: It's too late to change anything, #DealWithIt

[kapusta11]

Nightbird, on 12 May 2018 - 09:10 AM, said:

I don't think Russ was serious lol

Good.

[DGTLDaemon]

El Bandito, on 12 May 2018 - 09:10 AM, said:

I still think Deathstrike should be nerfed. I played the mech for a long time and I find it's meta config to be very strong.

Which config is that - 2xGauss+6xERML? Then it is getting double-nerfed in this patch And yeah, I know, there's also 2xGauss+2xERLL+4xERML which will only be affected by the nerf to the chassis itself, but it's probably too hot for most people.

On a side note, 75 degree yaw angle shouldn't be THAT bad. Marauder IIC is saddled with 70 degrees, and it remains playable, you just have to pay extra attention when corner peeking. 60 degrees like KDK-3 would really cripple the mech, but fortunately PGI haven't gone that far.

Edited by DGTLDaemon, 12 May 2018 - 09:40 AM.

[El Bandito]

DGTLDaemon, on 12 May 2018 - 09:35 AM, said:

Which config is that - 2xGauss+6xERML? Then it is getting double-nerfed in this patch And yeah, I know, there's also 2xGauss+2xERLL+4xERML which will only be affected by the nerf to the chassis itself, but it's probably too hot for most people.

The one with 2xGauss+2xERLL+4xERML. It is not very hot. You can do two alphas back to back, almost three with Cool Shot, and thanks to spamming Clan DHS, you can cool off pretty fast in general.

[frumpylumps]

Brain Cancer, on 12 May 2018 - 09:06 AM, said:

As usual,since Twitter is the Voice of Russ:

https://twitter.com/...334014306144256

"okay so get rid of the MKII nerf and Clan laser nerfs right"

In the end, was it merely their position at the time?

I'm so glad that the developers have the sense to ignore the masses of stupid crybabies who are upset at losing overpowered advantages.

I think I'll buy a mech pack to show my appreciation.

Edited by frumpylumps, 12 May 2018 - 10:06 AM.

[Khobai]

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I'm so glad that the developers have the sense to ignore the masses of stupid crybabies who are upset at losing overpowered advantages.

theyre not upset because clans are losing their overpowered advantage. theyre upset because IS is gaining an overpowered advantage over clans.

clan lasers are getting nerfed so badly that theyre now inferior to IS lasers in almost every conceivable way.

clan laser vomit needed to be EQUAL to IS laser vomit. Not strictly worse. With lower alpha, longer beam duration, and longer cooldown. And clans dont even get their supposed range advantage because of IS range quirks.

The only way this nerf even begins to make sense is if IS mechs start losing laser quirks.

Edited by Khobai, 12 May 2018 - 10:51 AM.

[Trenchbird]

Khobai, on 12 May 2018 - 10:49 AM, said:

theyre not upset because clans lost their overpowered advantage. theyre upset because IS gained an overpowered advantage over clans.

clan lasers are getting nerfed so badly that theyre now inferior to IS lasers in almost every conceivable way.

Except for raw damage-per-laser. And range. And tonnage (For the Larges). And crit space (Except HMLs/HLLs).

Not discounting it entirely, just adding my two cents to that.

Edited by Catten Hart, 12 May 2018 - 10:51 AM.

[Khobai]

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Except for raw damage-per-laser. And range. And tonnage (For the Larges). And crit space (Except HMLs/HLLs).

those advantages are largely non-existent when you take IS quirks into consideration though. and the compactness of the CHLL is completely pointless now that you can only fire 1 of them at a time.

the only real advantage clan lasers ever really had over IS lasers was the ability to do larger alphas. And now that advantage is gone.

post-patch clan laser vomit will be strictly worse than IS laser vomit; unless IS loses enough of their laser quirks to tilt things back the other way.

Edited by Khobai, 12 May 2018 - 10:59 AM.

[Erronius]

Thanks for the thread, guise