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[Azure Kit]

frumpylumps, on 13 May 2018 - 03:48 PM, said:

the unwanted truth.

We're reaching "Up-your-own-***" levels that shouldn't even be possible!

[Johnathan Tanner]

frumpylumps, on 13 May 2018 - 03:58 PM, said:

Deal with it.

Lasers are not being nerfed
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[Azure Kit]

frumpylumps, on 13 May 2018 - 01:42 PM, said:

"being good" in your mind is about having consistently good performance. You utterly failed to comprehend how someone can be good at the game when they want to be and have stats that do not correlate with their ability.

process, on 13 May 2018 - 03:46 PM, said:

"My actual skill greatly exceeds my performance."

Don't tell that to your boss.

frumpylumps, on 13 May 2018 - 03:58 PM, said:

Nobody claimed this.

Try not to be such a dishonest and pathetic person. Okay?

I caaaaaaaaaaaaaaan't

[process]

frumpylumps, on 13 May 2018 - 03:58 PM, said:

Nobody claimed this. This is what losers are trying to turn this into because they are incapable of arguing against the fact that assuming stats always correlate to skill level is moronic.

That's the default position. Obviously stats don't give you the whole picture, but honestly tell me which of these are the more likely conditions:

• Bad player, incapable of being good, has bad stats.
  
• Bad player, by providence, has good stats.
  
• Good player, playing casually, has bad stats.
  
• Good player, being good, has good stats.

[Johnathan Tanner]

frumpylumps, on 13 May 2018 - 04:19 PM, said:

Mommy and daddy really should have given you more attention.

Can you show me where I ever claimed to be good or bad at the game?

Welcome to the stack of potatoes I'm piling up over here.

This is why all real discussion happens on reddit......

[Azure Kit]

frumpylumps, on 13 May 2018 - 04:19 PM, said:

Can you show me where I ever claimed to be good or bad at the game?

Nope. I'm afraid if you get any further up your own *** with whatever this labyrinthine argument you've constructed you'll vanish from existence, possibly tearing spacetime apart and dooming us all. Enjoy your potato stacking, I expect them all to be peeled and in the mess hall by tomorrow morning.

EDIT: Anyone remember when this thread was about Russ' twitter? Pepperidge farm remembers..

Edited by Azure Kit, 13 May 2018 - 04:30 PM.

[Jay Leon Hart]

frumpylumps, on 13 May 2018 - 04:19 PM, said:

Can you show me where I ever claimed to be good or bad at the game?

Well...

frumpylumps, on 13 May 2018 - 01:16 PM, said:

You don't know my conditions or how good i can be if i'm actually going for performance.

>>> Implying you can perform better than your stats indicate.

frumpylumps, on 13 May 2018 - 02:47 PM, said:

I'm not asking you to assume that I am better than my stats. I don't have anything to prove.

>>> Implying your stats are accurate and you don't care.

So you never *claimed* you were good or bad (or better or worse than your stats), but you *did* imply both scenarios.

[Azure Kit]

frumpylumps, on 13 May 2018 - 04:29 PM, said:

Roll along then if you aren't capable of defending your accusations with evidence.

You might as well be rolling your face on the keyboard.

Poor guy.

I quoted your own statements several times in my post you quoted.

[Johnathan Tanner]

Azure Kit, on 13 May 2018 - 04:27 PM, said:

EDIT: Anyone remember when this thread was about Russ' twitter? Pepperidge farm remembers..

That dude has 55 posts in the grey abyss. Almost everyone of them in this thread. You realize you and process are like his forum parents now..... You have to take home with you. You cant abandon him lol......

[LordNothing]

Monkey Lover, on 12 May 2018 - 12:36 PM, said:

Problem really isn't with the laser but with a few laser boats. They just need to go after these few laser boats in my view.

almost any omnimech can boat lasers. just stack the right pods. what if you do some kind of quirks in oppisition thing. give the ct a positive laser quirk, say 15%. then give every boaty omnipod a -5% quirk. this way if you use all the laser points you get a nerf. if you use a few no nerf. use one get buff.

Edited by LordNothing, 13 May 2018 - 04:39 PM.

[process]

Johnathan Tanner, on 13 May 2018 - 04:38 PM, said:

That dude has 55 posts in the grey abyss. Almost everyone of them in this thread. You realize you and process are like his forum parents now..... You have to take home with you. You cant abandon him lol......

I uh, have to go play Battletech now.

[Azure Kit]

process, on 13 May 2018 - 04:44 PM, said:

I uh, have to go play Battletech now.

Wait for me you friggin clammer!

[process]

Azure Kit, on 13 May 2018 - 04:46 PM, said:

Wait for me you friggin clammer!

I don't play with birds.

[frumpylumps]

process, on 13 May 2018 - 04:16 PM, said:

That's the default position. Obviously stats don't give you the whole picture, but honestly tell me which of these are the more likely conditions:

• Bad player, incapable of being good, has bad stats.
  
• Bad player, by providence, has good stats.
  
• Good player, playing casually, has bad stats.
  
• Good player, being good, has good stats.

You can have your likelyhoods, but actually putting those correlation assumptions into text as your entire argument, basically saying that because X has better stats, X is right and Y is wrong, is some weak BS that these stat-warriors should feel ashamed for.

What percentage of people do you believe are focusing solely on their performance every game? I would guess at least half don't care about their stats at all and are just playing to have fun. It always surprises me how dense stat warriors are to think everyone cares about their stats and playing optimally every single game.

Edited by frumpylumps, 13 May 2018 - 05:20 PM.

[Azure Kit]

frumpylumps, on 13 May 2018 - 05:01 PM, said:

What percentage of people do you believe are focusing solely on their performance every game, and thus can be judged based on their stats?

Well I am, so feel free to judge me based on my stats. And I focus on performing well every match because good performance pays the bills, and playing well and getting that big end of match payday is satisfying to me. I don't particularly play anything really meta either, most of my builds are styled after multirole builds from the lore, or stolen from Mechwarrior Living Legends.

[process]

frumpylumps, on 13 May 2018 - 05:01 PM, said:

You can have your likelyhoods, but actually putting those correlation assumptions into text as your entire argument, basically saying that because X has better stats, X is right and Y is wrong, is some weak BS that stat-warriors should feel ashamed for. I would guess that at least a third of players are just playing to have fun and don't care at all about their stats. Maybe I'm wrong. You could do a poll on it.

What percentage of people do you believe are focusing solely on their performance every game, and thus can be judged based on their stats?

For the record, I don't care for stat-shaming. You can have an accurate opinion without having to walk the walk, so to speak.

I take issue only with your insistence that stats generally do not correlate to skill or knowledge. I think it's fair to assume most people play to have fun, and doing well is a component of that. Judging by the number of threads about how the matchmaker allegedly screws people, I think it's fair to say most people don't enjoy getting killed or losing frequently. Related: me and Dark Souls.

[Vonbach]

Proof that whining works. Now that Russ caved any sort of balance will be impossible.
Clans will just shriek their heads off until they get their way.

[Johnathan Tanner]

frumpylumps, on 13 May 2018 - 05:29 PM, said:

Why would i ever care what a dishonest sack like you thinks?

If you dont care what people think. Then why are you producing more sodium chloride than the entire forum whining over a decision thats already been made? More of them superior critical thinking skills I guess.

Also keep insulting people as a way to bring them around to your point of view. Now THATS using the old noggin.

[frumpylumps]

process, on 13 May 2018 - 05:15 PM, said:

I think it's fair to assume most people play to have fun, and doing well is a component of that. Judging by the number of threads about how the matchmaker allegedly screws people, I think it's fair to say most people don't enjoy getting killed or losing frequently. Related: me and Dark Souls.

"Doing well" is subjective to the desired goal For example If ones goal is to annoy LRM users and support your team, you can be doing well and not have the stats others would typically associate to doing well due to a low K/D ratio or whatever.

This is why trying to debase people's arguments based on theirs personal stats is an act of ignorance that begs to be ridiculed.

Justice has been served.

Edited by frumpylumps, 13 May 2018 - 06:07 PM.

[Wil McCullough]

Luminis, on 13 May 2018 - 11:10 AM, said:

2x ERLL, 4x ERML, 2x Gauss (typically with ~19 DHS and ~4 tons of Gauss ammo, depending on whether you want a JJ or not) is ameta build on the Deathstrike. The lasers aren't backup weapons, they're there so you can put that 80 damage downrange. The 6 ERML, 2x Gauss build is more popular in solo queue (from my experience) because it's heat efficient and can carry enough ammo to take pot shots, but the "Big 80" is arguably the better build, at least in certain situations.

How are you fitting all that in the mcii? If it's not too much to ask, can you smurfy it for me?

I do have to say though, if 80 alpha is what some players are looking for, it can be done with 2 hll and 2 ermls with better heat and range synergy. Obviously with the proposed nerf, that wouldn't be possible.