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[Jiang Wei]

Has less armor than mechs lighter than it, carries only slightly more weapons than a dragon.(And the dragon can barely carry any weapons) And why didnt we get the varient that has 3 ballistic slots?

It seems they gave it less available tonnage and fewer hard points than the thanatos from other games Ive played.


I remember the MW4 thanny, could carry an lbx20 in the arm, and another lbx 10 in the side torso, along with 4 medium lasers. Was quite a brutal brawling build. A build like that isnt even close to possible with these MWO thannies. There was also the 3 lbx10 x4 medium pulse. Also an amazing brawler. With the thannie that has 2 ballistic slots, you can do 2lbx10, but only 2 medium pulse. Any more than that and its gets too hot. They really neutered the thannie for MWO.

Edited by Jiang Wei, 25 May 2018 - 06:08 AM.

[Haipyng]

There are lots of Mechs and Chassis that are less competitive than others. Granted most of the newer ones are much more capable than older ones. (Shrug)

[Jiang Wei]

But the Thannie *IS* a newer one. (Shrugs) hell you got some clan mechs that have MORE firepower than the MW4 ones!!! They really screwed the thannie. I was gonna buy one, but when I saw how weak they are in the mechlab.... forget it. Not to mention super expensive too.

Edited by Jiang Wei, 25 May 2018 - 06:15 AM.

[Haipyng]

Jiang Wei, on 25 May 2018 - 06:09 AM, said:

But the Thannie *IS* a newer one. (Shrugs) hell you got clan mechs that have MORE firepower than the MW4 ones!!!

Exactly. Take heart, it's new enough that they may get around to adjusting it if it is that bad. There are lots of Mechs that have been nerfed enough after people bought them to make them mediocre. They also buff them sometimes. I learned not to buy new Mechs until after they get their initial adjustments after public testing.

[process]

Jiang Wei, on 25 May 2018 - 06:00 AM, said:

Has less armor than mechs lighter than it, carries only slightly more weapons than a dragon.(And the dragon can barely carry any weapons) And why didnt we get the varient that has 3 ballistic slots?

It seems they gave it less available tonnage and fewer hard points than the thanatos from other games Ive played.


I remember the MW4 thanny, could carry an lbx20 in the arm, and another lbx 10 in the side torso, along with 4 medium lasers. Was quite a brutal brawling build. A build like that isnt even close to possible with these MWO thannies. There was also the 3 lbx10 x4 medium pulse. Also an amazing brawler. With the thannie that has 2 ballistic slots, you can do 2lbx10, but only 2 medium pulse. Any more than that and its gets too hot. They really neutered the thannie for MWO.

You can't compare it to other games. Thanatos in the MWO ecosystem is on par with other IS 75 tonners in terms of base armor, speed, and payload capacity. Hardpoints, well, that's mostly at PGI's discretion.

[FLG 01]

Jiang Wei, on 25 May 2018 - 06:09 AM, said:

But the Thannie *IS* a newer one. (Shrugs) hell you got some clan mechs that have MORE firepower than the MW4 ones!!!

Um, yeah. This may come as a surprise to you, but the firepower of a Mech is not dictated by its appearances in previous video games (why would it?), but by hardpoints and quirks.
And the Thanatos is actually not even bad in terms of firepower, it is one of its few redeeming qualities. If you cannot outgun a Dragon, you are doing it wrong.

The Thanatos's weakness is the geometry, plain and simple. That's what makes it vulnerable, extremely so.

Jiang Wei, on 25 May 2018 - 06:09 AM, said:

They really screwed the thannie.

The geometry is what it is on a Thanatos, in MW:4, in BT, and in MWO. Without Annihilator-level quirks there is hope this could ever end well.

Another case of bad IS MW:4-originals. Again, having been in MW:4 does not magically make a Mech better.

[Arend]

There you go, MW:O Brawl Options for the Thanatos!

LBX40 Thanatos-5S

SRM36 Thanatos-5T

MRM80 Thanatos-5P

[TLBFestus]

Variant with 3 ballistic slots = HERO MECH FOR SALE


Just wait.

[Adridos]

Jiang Wei, on 25 May 2018 - 06:00 AM, said:

I remember the MW4 thanny, could carry an lbx20 in the arm, and another lbx 10 in the side torso, along with 4 medium lasers. Was quite a brutal brawling build.

You could equip Clan weapons on mechs in MW4. MWO removes this option so you'll never be able to buil Thanatos as it was meant to be, anyway.

[Stridercal]

Jiang Wei, on 25 May 2018 - 06:00 AM, said:

Has less armor than mechs lighter than it, carries only slightly more weapons than a dragon.(And the dragon can barely carry any weapons) And why didnt we get the varient that has 3 ballistic slots?

It seems they gave it less available tonnage and fewer hard points than the thanatos from other games Ive played.


I remember the MW4 thanny, could carry an lbx20 in the arm, and another lbx 10 in the side torso, along with 4 medium lasers. Was quite a brutal brawling build. A build like that isnt even close to possible with these MWO thannies. There was also the 3 lbx10 x4 medium pulse. Also an amazing brawler. With the thannie that has 2 ballistic slots, you can do 2lbx10, but only 2 medium pulse. Any more than that and its gets too hot. They really neutered the thannie for MWO.

You're looking to MW4, which threw most of Battletech's building rules out the window. Yeah, no.

And as others have noted, the Thanatos' problems have nothing to do with loadouts, and everything to do with those barn-door side torsos.

[Adridos]

Stridercal, on 25 May 2018 - 09:04 AM, said:

You're looking to MW4, which threw most of Battletech's building rules out the window. Yeah, no.

Not really.

Battletech's building rules are simply a giant mess made by someone really horrible at their job.
MW4 didn't break them, it simply introduced many restrictions.
MWO, likewise, simply takes them and introduces lots and lots of restrictions and new rules to make them workable.

The issue is those two attempts to make the system work are not mutually compatible.
Thanatos was created in MW4 with all said rules in mind. When you put it into another system which messes with said systems, there's no guarantee for it to work.

[Eatit]

You want huge damage in a "Thannie", make it a LRM Boat. It's the best IS Heavy LRM Boat out there I think. ECM on a Heavy LRM Boat, AMAZING!!! IT's super fast, I love it.

[LowSubmarino]

Its broad chest rivals that of the Awesome. Combined with IS tech, being super slow and having suicidal XL engines its a weak mech. Not competitive.

A weak choice.

They are bullet magnets.

It would need extensive armor quirks to be any good. Like a ton of buffs.

As it is its a bad mech.

[The Amazing Atomic Spaniel]

Most? All!

[Verilligo]

The Amazing Atomic Spaniel, on 25 May 2018 - 11:27 AM, said:

Most? All!

Not really. The -4P, -5S and -5P are all decent mechs, although the -4P and -5S would do well to get the same armor quirks as the -5P. They're not META by any means, but they're perfectly serviceable designs for certain loadouts that you can't do on other IS 75 tonners, mostly because of the super high mounts for poking with. You kind of have to devote to using big weapons in those high mounts to get the most out of the deal, though.

[Vonbach]

Its geometry blows. One look at the thing in the store page and I knew it was going to flop.
The thing is a walking billboard.

[evilauthor]

I'm skilling up a Thanatos now and having a blast doing it. The key to the bad geometry I think is taking advantage of that ECM and hanging back. If there's isn't a red icon over your head, a lot of potatoes just won't shoot at you if you aren't in their face. To that end, I armed my Thanny with twin full sized Gauss Rifles. Gauss weapons have the added advantage of not drawing a line to your location unlike missiles and energy weapons.

[fat4eyes]

evilauthor, on 25 May 2018 - 03:15 PM, said:

I'm skilling up a Thanatos now and having a blast doing it. The key to the bad geometry I think is taking advantage of that ECM and hanging back. If there's isn't a red icon over your head, a lot of potatoes just won't shoot at you if you aren't in their face. To that end, I armed my Thanny with twin full sized Gauss Rifles. Gauss weapons have the added advantage of not drawing a line to your location unlike missiles and energy weapons.

Agree with this. Because of the bad geometry, you can't be the first one in because your side torsos will be focused hard. Hang around some larger mechs and push in when they do. MRM80 or Dual HGauss/AC/LBX40 is no joke, as long as you can keep your torsos intact.

[Jiang Wei]

Adridos, on 25 May 2018 - 07:20 AM, said:

You could equip Clan weapons on mechs in MW4. MWO removes this option so you'll never be able to buil Thanatos as it was meant to be, anyway.

I was not talking about mix teching. i assumed that was a given. But on a forum, I should never assume anything.... and niether should anyone. But they do.

Edited by Jiang Wei, 25 May 2018 - 04:39 PM.

[Jiang Wei]

Vonbach, on 25 May 2018 - 02:40 PM, said:

Its geometry blows. One look at the thing in the store page and I knew it was going to flop.
The thing is a walking billboard.

That wouldnt be much of a problem if it didnt have paper armor. its supposed to be tanky, but its not.