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[Roughneck45]

Scouting is best used to guide the herd. Potatoes love Doritos.

But never build a "scout" mech. Build a mech that can fight, scouting is secondary.

In fact, for any weight class, if you build something and decide "this is going to be a good support mech" just scrap it and start over.

Edited by Roughneck45, 25 May 2018 - 08:23 PM.

[cougurt]

Roughneck45, on 25 May 2018 - 08:18 PM, said:

Scouting is best used to guide the herd. Potatoes love Doritos.

But never build a "scout" mech. Build a mech that can fight, scouting is secondary.

In fact, for any weight class, if you build something and decide "this is going to be a good support mech" just scrap it and start over.

i think this is the trap that a lot of beginner light pilots fall into. they struggle to leverage their limited firepower and so they assume that lights are meant to play almost a purely non-combat role, only valuable as a scout/distraction/cap monkey.

even in a light, doing damage and killing things should almost always be your primary objective, everything else is supplementary.

[eminus]

Darian DelFord, on 25 May 2018 - 11:26 AM, said:

You will love this.

KLASSIK!!! LOL

[Old dirty B]

Zibmo, on 25 May 2018 - 04:58 PM, said:

And to make lights "competitive", they gave them tiny little hitboxes. Many times a straight on shot, no deflection, into CT of a Cheetah, and no damage recorded. 5mpls and no damage taken. running in a straight line.

That's how they mad them competitive.

Nothing to do with hitboxes per se, this is all due to latency issues. The magically shots you talk about also work the other way, i have just as many occassions were i was already long time around the corner when i get one shotted in the back or loose a leg. Many occassions were i magically get hit in the back while i was frontally facing my opponent (and no, no third party hit me there - this stuff happens also in solaris). Btw, these magically shots also happen to everybody regardless of mech, class or build.

But certain individuals only complain about the stuff were they get the short end of the stick yet ignore or fail to see that this stuff happens to all of us...

People should stop blaming the system and start working on their own game first

[Besh]

LowSubmarino, on 25 May 2018 - 09:53 AM, said:

Screw scores and dmg.

Good players will know and see what you do, if you completly disrupt enemy lines, opening windows of opportunity for them, or bottling down an assault that cant disengage, stopping their nascar or splittiing them. You an do a lot in scouting mechs. Fast mechs. Can win the game like that.

Whenever the dmg/kills/payout/PSR rating discussion comes up I think to myself :

1) I do not mind who gets the kill...as long as we kill the OpFor faster as they do us .
2) Good Players do not necessarily need to apply a lot of dmg. to drop a Target/several of them .
3) The way PGI has all that set up totally screws good gameplay .
4) Ppl. who give a damn crap about dmg. numbers, kills etc. seem to not understand that .
5)...and then there actually are people who complain about "killstealing". In MW:O ! FOREAL !

Edited by Besh, 26 May 2018 - 02:48 AM.

[lazorbeamz]

You need to deal damage. Not scout.

[Darian DelFord]

Talking about Lag and Latency here is an example. This is with only 2mechs on the field

Edited by Darian DelFord, 26 May 2018 - 05:28 PM.

[Asym]

I haven't seen a real scout since the last time I was at the NTC....

In MWO, there isn't any real scouting; only players who have scouting capable mechs and a game mode that uses the word....

Scouts out.

[RelativeQuanta]

Eatit, on 25 May 2018 - 09:00 AM, said:

Today I took my Raven 3L out for some scouting. I used Narcs, I tried capping on Assault matches. My PSR didn't go up in matches we won. Even though me pulling a few of the reds out of the fight to come get me off their base was a significant help to my team winning. Why would that be the case? I narced and kept half the enemy team spotted for an entire match that we won and still no PSR increase.

PSR is strictly based on damage output? No wonder the percentage of light mechs is so low. There should be some consideration for scouts and more people would do it.

This is just my humble opinion. You are entitled to yours so comment below.

I love it when scouts NARC the enemy team. I try to thank them every time. I've had at least two games recently where a light got and kept at least 5 NARCs running all the time. It was extremely useful to know where the enemy team was that entire time. Both were rather one sided wins.

The fact that NARC'ing isn't really rewarded is a tragedy.

[Khobai]

unfortunately role warfare was never properly implemented into the game. so roles like electronic/sensor warfare, which should be crucial roles, are virtually non-existent. The only role in the game is doing damage. And light mechs will always be inferior in that role compared to heavies and assaults.

Lights might actually be good if they had other abilities like creating fake radar contacts, dropping seismic probes, preventing enemies from sharing sensor information with their team, using TAG to guide in ARROWIV strikes from artillery mechs, etc...

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The fact that NARC'ing isn't really rewarded is a tragedy.

NARC needs to do more.

They need to add some abilities to NARC. Like make NARC explode for 4-8 damage when its duration expires. And the explosion could cause a haywire effect that disrupts enemy HUDs/Sensors.

The same HUD disruption haywire effect could also be given to PPCs as a skill tree unlock.

Edited by Khobai, 26 May 2018 - 09:16 AM.

[SmokedJag]

It can win games (think getting a scout behind the enemy team on a Polar ridgepeek exchange) but isn't rewarded as such.

[Bulletsponge0]

Asym, on 26 May 2018 - 08:40 AM, said:

I haven't seen a real scout since the last time I was at the NTC....

In MWO, there isn't any real scouting; only players who have scouting capable mechs and a game mode that uses the word....

Scouts out.

man... why do you have to bring up those memories???

[Asym]

Because reality was my job....... Be, Know and Do is not cheap and if I made 'a few' Commanders wince, stop breathing or bite their lips, they bled less later. AND, you have no idea how bad, bad is, when it's your time and the devil dances.......train as you fight, yes?!

The only true test of theory is history.....and in warfare, how you win is as important as winning itself...because the cost is so high. (It's called economy of force.....)

You really want to scout? Or, have a real Scouting mode Developers? Let's go take a Commander's walk in the desert, the tundra or the Fulda Gap and reconnoiter the terrain a bit and talk about "what can be seen, can be hit; and, what can be hit can be killed...." Ah, and then, we can talk about real Scouting..... Sorry, I'm just an old horse soldier who plays games (sigh.)

[Vxheous]

Scouting is fine, means locating the enemy and harassing flanks to herd the enemy into your team's firing line. Thing is, your light mech should be able to do damage when the fight occurs by diving back lines, while also having the speed to disengage and prepare for another "trench run" so to speak.

tl;dr scout and find enemy, bring a light mech that can actually fight to do so

Edited by Vxheous, 27 May 2018 - 06:45 AM.

[Quandoo]

I would say those hit box complains are mostly due to bad ping.
Mostly I have 9 ping and never saw hitbox problems.

And QuickPlay? The only mech worth caring about is your own.
Go ECM, do dirty stuff and roast the potatoes
Or your stuck in the endless nascar hell

Edited by Quandoo, 27 May 2018 - 11:29 AM.