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[Deathpactt]

I just returned to game after a couple of months and I dont understand why Timberwolf still has negative quirks. It is nowhere near where it was or it will be without the quirks. After eng. desync, It is just unfun to play it. Being an Omnimech definetly does not help it

[Verilligo]

They haven't reverted the negative quirks because it hasn't performed poorly enough or had a loud enough outcry for them to touch it in any way. Now you can debate whether it's a good performing mech or not and you can debate as to whether there are other options that are much better than it at all of the things that it does. But at the end of the day, according to some metric known only to PGI and the choir invisible, the Timberwolf has not sucked so massively hard that it has emerged as a problem.

How badly does it have to suck for that to happen? I'm not sure anyone really knows.

[Antares102]

PGI is known to directly and indirectly quadruple-nerf stuff and then when its down on its knees none of the nerfs are revoked.

[LordBraxton]

In reality the Twolf is still better than 75% of IS heavies, but it does deserve to have the negative quirks removed, and a ton of IS heavy mechs need their structure quirks changed to armor quirks

[N0ni]

Last we heard from PGI was that Timberwolves are still overperforming... in 2018. Maybe next balance overhaul we can get someone who sucks at throwing darts so it lands somewhere else.

[yrrot]

I don't feel like I see that many of them in game anymore. I guess maybe those that still play them do well enough to make it's stats seem fine?

I didn't play one before the nerfs, so I'm not sure how much it changed. It's still a solid mech, just not as tanky as IS heavies or as agile as some of the other Clan Heavies. It does pack one hell of a punch though.

[Khobai]

Even if they removed the negative quirks the Timberwolf still has the huge problem of being forced to take a highly inefficient 375 engine.

In a post-engine desync environment those huge engines just arnt worth it. They piss tonnage away for very little benefit (a couple extra kph of speed whoop-de-doo).

to get the timberwolf back to competitive form, it would not only need to lose its negative quirks, but would also need to gain some positive quirks or agility buffs to make up for being forced to take a huge engine.

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In reality the Twolf is still better than 75% of IS heavies

as far as external balance goes thats probably true. Were all well aware that clan vs IS balance is poor in this game. but the fact that some IS heavies need bigger buffs doesnt mean the timberwolf doesnt also need a buff.

the Twolf is not internally balanced well against other clan heavies. the Twolf struggles to fill its intended role of being a skirmisher. Its supposed to be highly agile for a 75 ton mech, and its just not. engine desync killed it dead.

Edited by Khobai, 27 May 2018 - 09:40 PM.

[Luminis]

Because Clams OPOP.

Really, though, I bet PGI never bothered to reset their internal stats post-nerf, so to them, it looks better than it currently is. That and their general aversion to buffing old, underperforming Mechs is why the TBR is going to retain those negative quirks for a long, long time to come, on top of an agility profile that's usually more associated with Assaults and, by today's standards, mediocre geometry. GG.

LordBraxton, on 27 May 2018 - 01:31 PM, said:

In reality the Twolf is still better than 75% of IS heavies, but it does deserve to have the negative quirks removed, and a ton of IS heavy mechs need their structure quirks changed to armor quirks

Not much of a yardstick, considering how terrible most IS Heavies are. Personally, I'd argue that PGI should slap some armour on top of the structure. And that's not gonna suffice to prop a good number of 'em up far enough, I'm sure.

[Kanil]

Luminis, on 27 May 2018 - 10:43 PM, said:

Really, though, I bet PGI never bothered to reset their internal stats post-nerf, so to them, it looks better than it currently is. That and their general aversion to buffing old, underperforming Mechs is why the TBR is going to retain those negative quirks for a long, long time to come, on top of an agility profile that's usually more associated with Assaults and, by today's standards, mediocre geometry. GG.

That would explain why PGI's nerfed the Black Knight repeatedly over the years, after the first nerf everyone stopped using it, so it's stats never went down, and they still think it's overperforming.

[justcallme A S H]

The Black Knight since the armour pass (the recent buff) is actually quite good now.

I'd argue it's better than a TBR right now to be honest because of how much armour two variants now have. Very strong used correctly. That's not to say it's performing well... Both TBR and the BKNT suck in overall terms compared to other heavy mechs.

Edited by justcallme A S H, 28 May 2018 - 12:41 AM.

[Dragonporn]

I have Timby with x2 UAC/10s and x4 C-ERML, it wrecks faces so hard, I'm ashamed to use it for drop. It excels at too many roles, hard to kill, has almost perfect profile and barely has any downsides. Some nerfs wouldn't hurt, because negative quirks don't do jack atm.

[Averen]

Dragonporn, on 28 May 2018 - 05:18 AM, said:

I have Timby with x2 UAC/10s and x4 C-ERML, it wrecks faces so hard, I'm ashamed to use it for drop. It excels at too many roles, hard to kill, has almost perfect profile and barely has any downsides. Some nerfs wouldn't hurt, because negative quirks don't do jack atm.

Yeah, my Timby does great too. Super fast, tough 75 ton mech with good loadouts. If that mech has become outdated, then powercreep has gotten completely out of control.

[FLG 01]

It needs mobility buffs first and foremost. The Mad Cat is one of the archetypical cavalry units in the BTU, and it does sacrifice a lot tonnage for its speed. While the superior speed is nice, it should come with superior mobility to make the best use of it.

[Exilyth]

The laser torso of the TBR-A can keep the full downquirks, all other pods could use a reduction in negative quirks.

Dragonporn, on 28 May 2018 - 05:18 AM, said:

I have Timby with x2 UAC/10s and x4 C-ERML

Could you please provide a smurfy link to that build?

[Kalleballe]

9mpl is pretty good also

[WrathOfDeadguy]

Remember, this is the balance team that thinks the Uziel only needs minor structure quirks. I wouldn't hold my breath for the TBR quirks to be fixed any time soon. When a 'Mech gets stuck in their blind spot, it really gets stuck. The GHR is still taller and wider than an Atlas, the ENF-5P hasn't gotten any love since the UAC nerfs took it from terribad to extinct, and the poor SDR has languished in mediocrity for years since powercreep left it behind.

Still... maybe someday. After all, the MLX and VND finally got gud, and they were considered the worst 'Mechs in the game for a good long while. The Catapult finally got re-scaled to a more reasonable size, got its hitboxes fixed, and had its VCR tumors excised, too. So, who knows? A TBR requirkening might be right around the corner!

The dartboard giveth, and the dartboard taketh away, and no man knoweth what or when.

[justcallme A S H]

Dragonporn, on 28 May 2018 - 05:18 AM, said:

I have Timby with x2 UAC/10s and x4 C-ERML, it wrecks faces so hard, I'm ashamed to use it for drop. It excels at too many roles, hard to kill, has almost perfect profile and barely has any downsides. Some nerfs wouldn't hurt, because negative quirks don't do jack atm.

That build was great, since repeatedly slapping UACs though it's super lackluster. And can't spread damage like it used too.

Gone is the glory age of the TBR.