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[KodiakGW]

....never to buy another mech unless it is the META-CARRY-HARDER of the week. Even then, it will be nerfed eventually. So, why bother?

A while ago I made a statement that I would buy a Solaris pack if they addressed 8v8 in the next town hall. Well, it was (that infamous one everyone still talks about), so I kept my part of the agreement. Whether I believe what was given as an excuse why they never pursued it is for another discussion, on a different forum.

So, I decide that, because of divisions, that the DAO Breaker might do well...in its division. So, I decide to take it our to level it. Yeah...



Yep, since I'm expected to CARRY HARDER all the time, won't be buying anything more. To everyone else thinking of buying anything, eventually you'll be T1 also, and expected to CARRY HARDER. So I would keep that in mind before you decide to spend any money until you know the mech you are buying is going to be the new meta.

And, to those of you that are going to chime in with your tired old "the common denominator is you"......



4 KMDD. Had to work my arse off to facilitate that win. Can't do that all the time unless it is a CARRY HARDER mech. And guess what, NO LRMs!

So, 8v8 solo QP, PGI? I'm addressing it again, but not promising to buy anything.

Edited by KodiakGW, 28 May 2018 - 08:03 PM.

[LordBraxton]

8v8 for life damnit

[Mr Steinbrenner]

KodiakGW, on 28 May 2018 - 07:15 PM, said:

....never to buy another mech unless it is the META-CARRY-HARDER of the week. Even then, it will be nerfed eventually. So, why bother?

A while ago I made a statement that I would buy a Solaris pack if they addressed 8v8 in the next town hall. Well, it was (that infamous one everyone still talks about), so I kept my part of the agreement. Whether I believe what was given as an excuse why they never pursued it is for another discussion, on a different forum.

So, I decide that, because of divisions, that the DAO Breaker might do well...in its division. So, I decide to take it our to level it. Yeah...



Yep, since I'm expected to CARRY HARDER all the time, won't be buying anything more. To everyone else thinking of buying anything, eventually you'll be T1 also, and expected to CARRY HARDER. So I would keep that in mind before you decide to spend any money until you know the mech you are buying is going to be the new meta.

And, to those of you that are going to chime in with your tired old "the common denominator is you"......



4 KMDD. Had to work my arse off to facilitate that win. Can't do that all the time unless it is a CARRY HARDER mech. And guess what, NO LRMs!

So, 8v8 solo QP, PGI? I'm addressing it again, but not promising to buy anything.

2xac5 and some medium lasers?

[El Bandito]

All I can say is that I support 8v8. It reduces wait time, improves MM, and reduces burden on systems. And maybe we can get the older, better graphics back.

[JediPanther]

If you ever want to have fun with mwo you just have to realize that pgi will screw with weapons,mechs and equipment forever. Play the game doing things in it that are fun for you. If you become one of the stat warriors, try hard competitive types you will always be trying to chase the meta and getting a win at any cost.

Come up with your own ways to have fun and success in the game and you'll find the game is a lot of fun. don't think pgi nerfs just the new mechs either. The jenners still get nerfs and just recently had their arm armor dropped to 14. My locust with only a few survival nodes has 17 armor and it doesn't even have full survival nodes. Good balance when a 20 ton has more armor than a 35 ton according to pgi.

[Cnaiur]

I feel you OP, the struggle is real. I recently bought a bunch of new mechs from the sales and I’m having a rough time playing matches in unskilled mechs that I’m not particularly good at (or the mechs themselves aren’t that good). Especially since I’m often the top player on my team and the MM is apparently expecting me to carry. There’s probably a few dozen players that can reliably carry in anything, but for the rest of us, the mech we’re in makes a huge difference.

There’s nothing for it though. Even if PGI could fix it (they can’t), they won’t because it’s a waste of resources from their perspective. So it’s either take your lumps and git gud in new/crappy mechs, or stick with ones you carry in.

[Eisenhorne]

The mechs that have the greatest impact on win/loss are assault mechs. Most players are potatoes. If you want to win, you need to do everything you can to ensure you get the fewest potato assault mechs. Therefore, if you want to win more frequently, you need to play an assault mech and not be a potato. Or be -insanely- good to carry the team in a heavy if you get stuck with 4 terrible players in assault mechs.

[R Valentine]

The cycle of nerfs is a never-ending one, but some metas have never died no matter how much PGI throws nerfs at them.

Clan Laser Vomit: Sure it's changed a bit since clans were released, but clan lasers have never been anything less than amazing. Long range, high damage, low tonnage, and 2 crit slot heat sinks to match. Then they threw in the skill tree, the great equalizer that was supposed to make everything balanced but instead gave clan mechs access to heat quirks they knew not of before. Nerf LPL? That's fine, we'll add HLL! Long live clan laser vomit!

Gauss Vomit: Leave it to PGI to de-sync gauss/ppc and add Deathstrike within a patch of one another. PPCs not necessary when you have 6 cERML/4 cERML+ 2 cERLL to back it up, and Gauss has never been anything less than awesome. 15 damage for no heat. Charge up? Oh noes, I have to hold the button down a bit longer. Whatever shall I do? Fine, we'll give IS HGR. Gotta sell the Fafnir anyways. After that we'll nerf the crap out of it.

4 Ballistic Mounts: Not every mech with 4 ballistics is amazing, but most of them are. Black Widow had to be nerfed because IS can't have anything nice, but the KDK-3 was king of assaults for a fairly long rain. Nerf, after nerf, after nerf, after engine de-sync, after skill tree, after nerf, after nerf finally slowed it down, but it was really the mighty Mad Cat Mk. II - B that killed the KDK-3. Now I can track left and right AND shoot down UAVs! What's there not to like? Even the Annihilator with 4+ ballistic hardpoints plays amazing. Slow, but still amazing. The only one I can think of that outright blows is the Nightstar, because again, IS can't have anything nice. Convergence on those things is straight garbage. Oh well, just buy a Sleipnir. Who says MWO isn't pay-to-win?

[KodiakGW]

Mr Steinbrenner, on 28 May 2018 - 09:27 PM, said:

2xac5 and some medium lasers?

Did not try that. Way too much face time against multiple 99th percentiles on the opposite team. I'd get core killed in a few seconds. Swapped between Heavy PPCs, AC10s, and even LBX10s after a number of hits not registering. That win was done with 2 LBX10s and 3 ERML.

Like the KGC's score? 32 match for what?

Thinking about taking advice and running just a "fun" mech all next month. Maybe a POS Hellspawn for CBills with Stealth Armor . Should net me a ..25W/L ratio or worse. Who want's to take that bet?

[BurningDesire]

Hellspawn OP plz nerf
Try a "fun"mech try the cicada 3c since the skill tree came out. it lost half its PPC quirks, all its ballistic quirks, some survivability quirks and all its acceleration and de acceleration making its utter rubbish thanks PGI

[Xetelian]

I wonder if the changes to match making will increase or decrease your W/L and K/D.

There are times when no matter what you do you cannot carry hard enough.

[CFC Conky]

Eisenhorne, on 29 May 2018 - 07:39 AM, said:

The mechs that have the greatest impact on win/loss are assault mechs. Most players are potatoes. If you want to win, you need to do everything you can to ensure you get the fewest potato assault mechs. Therefore, if you want to win more frequently, you need to play an assault mech and not be a potato. Or be -insanely- good to carry the team in a heavy if you get stuck with 4 terrible players in assault mechs.

Yup,

Thanks to Premium time, I fully skilled up a fresh ANN-2A with pretty much a stock loadout in 23 matches (3:07 play time).

Good hunting,
CFC Conky

[King Kahuna]

Totaly agree with OP. Have money to burn and doing it...in other games. Used to blow a ton on the game
Still wouldnt mind doing it. Just dont feel like my money is being wasted.

[Dragonporn]

Leveling is truly a big pain in the arse, no argument here, and especially on T1 (where most players run fully outfitted mechs), but I don't see any point in 8v8. It will be HUGE cut down on the fun factor for me personally, as I highly enjoy 12v12, and I bet some other players' fun factor as well. And on "carry" note, winning team doesn't look too shabby overall, although opponents do look a bit on a weak side, considering score and general performance, judging by the board...

[Champion of Khorne Lord of Blood]

JediPanther, on 28 May 2018 - 09:48 PM, said:

If you ever want to have fun with mwo you just have to realize that pgi will screw with weapons,mechs and equipment forever. Play the game doing things in it that are fun for you. If you become one of the stat warriors, try hard competitive types you will always be trying to chase the meta and getting a win at any cost.

Come up with your own ways to have fun and success in the game and you'll find the game is a lot of fun. don't think pgi nerfs just the new mechs either. The jenners still get nerfs and just recently had their arm armor dropped to 14. My locust with only a few survival nodes has 17 armor and it doesn't even have full survival nodes. Good balance when a 20 ton has more armor than a 35 ton according to pgi.

That's all fine and dandy until PGI comes along and removes what you found fun. You liked light mechs with CSPL? oh well. You liked assault brawlers? oh well. You liked Locust with its single LPL with good quirks? oh well. Liked having a single CUAC20 in your build? oh well.

After awhile you run out of things to like.

Also the "nerf" to Jenners was an attempted buff, moving armor from the arms to the side torsos so that you don't die as easily but may be disarmed more easily.

[O L L O]

Xetelian, on 30 May 2018 - 08:48 PM, said:

I wonder if the changes to match making will increase or decrease your W/L and K/D.

Changes?

[Bud Crue]

Ollollo, on 01 June 2018 - 03:00 AM, said:

Changes?

https://mwomercs.com...pdate-30052018/

[Burke IV]

Champion of Khorne Lord of Blood, on 31 May 2018 - 11:04 PM, said:

Also the "nerf" to Jenners was an attempted buff, moving armor from the arms to the side torsos so that you don't die as easily but may be disarmed more easily.

I dont know what value that nerf/buff to jenners was, but i looked at the stalker and the only logic i can see in it is that if you want to play zombie misery its gained a bit of survivability. Gauss/missile/LPL type builds with empty arms. Imo every other stalker will suffer from the changes

Edited by Burke IV, 01 June 2018 - 03:08 AM.

[Champion of Khorne Lord of Blood]

Burke IV, on 01 June 2018 - 03:07 AM, said:

I dont know what value that nerf/buff to jenners was, but i looked at the stalker and the only logic i can see in it is that if you want to play zombie misery its gained a bit of survivability. Gauss/missile/LPL type builds with empty arms. Imo every other stalker will suffer from the changes

I never really see Stalkers getting shot in the arms to be honest. On mechs such as the Dire Wolf I run half arm armor because nobody ever shoots them anyway even with all my firepower being in them. May as well get some points on the torsos that *everyone* focuses.

[LordNothing]

logged in the other day, i was staring at over a hundred mastered mechs and one million gxp. then i logged out.

not quite sure what the op's point is. dont buy mech packs unless its meta because you will have to carry people? those are usually the best games there are, you feel like a hero and you bring in a win for a bucnch of underdogs.

i dont think i want to throw money at mechs anymore. but thats because i have enough and i do well enough with what i have. i still buy mechbays sometimes when they are on sale so i can keep playing pokemechs, and i only really play events. every mech pack is boring and there are no more must have heros left (and im getting 3 or 4 a year on event mc anyway). and no point shooting for loyalty mechs as they arent even exclusive for very long.

Edited by LordNothing, 01 June 2018 - 06:17 PM.