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[denAirwalkerrr]

Dropping it here hoping to be the biggest source of replies among any other available places. Let’s do this, WC2018 stock yay or nay, no middle ground: http://www.strawpoll.me/15853430/r

To be fair I’m really curious how votes on this one get distributed but don’t have a lot of different places to drop it. So if you can, please do so.

Edited by denAirwalkerrr, 07 June 2018 - 02:44 PM.

[Revis Volek]

IM not gonna make an account to vote one time on that website....but i say




WORST IDEA TO DATE and NO!!!!!!

[Prototelis]

Cool for grogs, bad for casuals, those comp dudes are going to win anyways.

I'm kind of indifferent. Personally I think this should have been a separate tournament

[stealthraccoon]

Dude, stock mode is awesomesauce - too bad mechs aren’t randomly assigned too.


I foresee some Crabs cleaning house.

Edited by stealthraccoon, 07 June 2018 - 04:19 PM.

[ForceUser]

Interested to see how the try-hards adapt and what new strats they come up with. At the very least it'll be different to the same old, same old of the last 2 years.

Edited by ForceUser, 07 June 2018 - 04:11 PM.

[Wil McCullough]

It should be a satellite event or something loke the dota 2 allstar match - something for fun where the pros can derp around and stuff with nothing to play for other than bragging rights.

To make it as the main and only event is silly. And the stock "meta" is gonna be more boring than usual.

[denAirwalkerrr]

Wil McCullough, on 07 June 2018 - 04:19 PM, said:

It should be a satellite event or something loke the dota 2 allstar match - something for fun where the pros can derp around and stuff with nothing to play for other than bragging rights.

To make it as the main and only event is silly. And the stock "meta" is gonna be more boring than usual.

To be fair that would really be hillarious. Imagine if players were to choose each mech those players will be playing, like this or this or the almighty this xD

[Luminis]

Luminis, on 04 June 2018 - 08:22 PM, said:

Bunch of regular players have been asking for stock mode for years and never got it and now, PGI is shoving it down the throat of the comp players who - from what I remember (and from the reactions I've seen so far) - never asked for it, and only down theirs.

Can only repeat myself. Putting the stock mode where it's least beneficial to the audience that wanted it the most is defying logic on a level I didn't even expect out of PGI. It's utterly mindboggling to me.

[East Indy]

ForceUser, on 07 June 2018 - 04:11 PM, said:

At the very least it'll be different to the same old, same old of the last 2 years.

What's funny is that some are basically arguing "Well-well-well, we're going to find the best 'Mechs in this class and make our teams just as uniformly boring!"

It's like, guys, maybe step back to see why PGI wanted to shake things up even a little bit. To say nothing of how differently SHS and lower ammunition counts play.

[Cementi]

You forgot the third option for:

I give zero f*@#$ about the competitive epeen crowd.

[Monkey Lover]

I didn't read all the rules but if they can pick that means it will be almost 100% clan mechs.

To many IS mechs have no endo, ffs and use shs. Clan stock builds are way better.

Just look for a few minutes

hbk 2c a , 2 er 4mp then it full of dhs will be good.
nct-prime is 2 erppc and erl spam too its also full of dhs.

Edited by Monkey Lover, 08 June 2018 - 12:06 PM.

[dario03]

Monkey Lover, on 08 June 2018 - 12:05 PM, said:

I didn't read all the rules but if they can pick that means it will be almost 100% clan mechs.

To many IS mechs have no endo, ffs and use shs. Clan stock builds are way better.

Just look for a few minutes

hbk 2c a , 2 er 4mp then it full of dhs will be good.
nct-prime is 2 erppc and erl spam too its also full of dhs.

0% since its IS 3039 tech only. Which I think is one of the reasons 70% have voted for bad idea. It is removing a large part of the game.

[Cloves]

So most of your voters did even look at the contest rules to understand what it was before they voted?

[VonBruinwald]

ForceUser, on 07 June 2018 - 04:11 PM, said:

Interested to see how the try-hards adapt and what new strats they come up with. At the very least it'll be different to the same old, same old of the last 2 years.

And as an added bonus, no Tourmaline... still stuck with canyon for 90% of matches though.

And as for the OP... oh yay, a strawpoll, might have to start refreshing my IP just so I can spam "Excellent" votes.

[Tier5 Kerensky]

Revis Volek, on 07 June 2018 - 02:27 PM, said:

IM not gonna make an account to vote one time on that website....

You don't have to.

[Fleeb the Mad]

The format in a prize tournament isn't about the competitors, it's about the spectators.

It's not about getting casuals or anyone other than competitive people to enter. It's about getting them to watch. It might just work.

[dario03]

Fleeb the Mad, on 11 June 2018 - 05:49 PM, said:

The format in a prize tournament isn't about the competitors, it's about the spectators.

It's not about getting casuals or anyone other than competitive people to enter. It's about getting them to watch. It might just work.

What about stock mode will get people to watch though? Like Dave said, its a different game than the MWO that everybody plays. Sure some people watch games that they don't play, but I think you get a bigger audience if more do play. I for instance watch some fighting game competitions even though I don't compete, but I usually only watch the ones for games that I at least play.

[S 0 L E N Y A]

comp players that really want to play still (yeah yeah, dont laugh) will do what they always do.

Go through the options and figure out the Most Effective Tactic Available.

Easy as that.

So what does this mean in practice?

At face value it adds some variety, in that obviously you are going to see a lot of mechs being used that you would not normally see under typical MWO comp rules. But even at that, some mechs are going to be a lot more viable than others and it is safe to say we will see those in the highest numbers. Which means that in practice you are probably going to see an even smaller set of mechs being used. So, arguably less variety.

I also strongly get the impression that PGI is hoping this new format will be more inviting to non "comp players." Explicitly, the lore-hards that endlessly cry about balance and clans OP, LRMs OP, teamwork OP etc etc etc, (ie your typical MWO pilot)

Edited by Boogie138, 12 June 2018 - 03:41 PM.

[Fleeb the Mad]

dario03, on 12 June 2018 - 03:32 PM, said:

What about stock mode will get people to watch though? Like Dave said, its a different game than the MWO that everybody plays. Sure some people watch games that they don't play, but I think you get a bigger audience if more do play. I for instance watch some fighting game competitions even though I don't compete, but I usually only watch the ones for games that I at least play.

What it has going is the fact that's it's completely different, its fueling rampant speculation and will most likely have a number of surprises. MWO's tournaments don't really draw much in the way of numbers and the most common form of feedback I've seen concerning the tournament is that it's boring to watch. Some people appreciate the nuance in the style of play that's been dominant the last couple years, but I'd ask you if the format of the tournament was the same as last year, would you expect the outcome to be different?

[dario03]

Fleeb the Mad, on 12 June 2018 - 05:27 PM, said:

What it has going is the fact that's it's completely different, its fueling rampant speculation and will most likely have a number of surprises. MWO's tournaments don't really draw much in the way of numbers and the most common form of feedback I've seen concerning the tournament is that it's boring to watch. Some people appreciate the nuance in the style of play that's been dominant the last couple years, but I'd ask you if the format of the tournament was the same as last year, would you expect the outcome to be different?

The change to weight limit with no duplicates instead of 2/2/2/2 is enough to make the competition different. It also would do it without removing so much of the game that's its not really what most players actually play.